Talk:Pretenders to the throne of Parma

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Line of succession[edit]

There are supposed to have more male heirs in line since the members of Bourbon-Parma are much more than this article includes, according to List of living legitimate male Capetians. Why aren't more of them included? Such as more Luxemboarg grand ducal family members? - George6VI (talk) 11:08 pm, 25 June 2017 (UTC−7)

The descendants of Prince Felix of Bourbon-Parma and Grand Duchess Charlotte of Luxembourg discontinued use of the Bourbon-Parma princely title and coat of arms (although they kept the RH) by decree of Grand Duke Jean on 28 July 1986 in protest against Carlos Hugo, Duke of Parma's refusal to recognize the marriage of Hereditary Grand Duke Henri to a commoner that year as dynastic. When Henri became the reigning Grand Duke, he promptly attributed the Bourbon-Parma title to his children and repealed that decree on 21 September 1995. In fact, however, when Felix married Charlotte in 1919 he was incorporated into the Luxembourgeois hereditary nobility as "HRH Prince of Bourbon-Parma", and even in 1986 Jean never renounced his Parmesan succession rights -- only use of the title -- so Henri and his brothers have always remained in the line of succession to the defunct duchy. But Carlos-Hugo (who had also become the Carlist pretender to the Spanish throne, a politically more serious claim than the Parma duchy) did not accept marriages to commoners for princes of his House until later, perhaps only when his own elder son became engaged to a commoner shortly before Carlos-Hugo's death in 2010. But in the House of Bourbon-Parma, unions that were non-dynastic at the time of marriage are not automatically retro-demorganatized. Within the Luxembourg line, although the marriage of Prince Guillaume to Sibilla Weiller (a great-granddaughter of Alfonso XIII of Spain was accepted as dynastic by the Grand Duke, those of Prince Jean and Prince Charles were not, and they were not listed among Princes of Bourbon-Parma outside Luxembourg prior to 2010. In the Bourbon-Parma branches descended from Felix's younger brothers, Prince René and Prince Louis, the Duke has not yet acknowledged the de-morganatization of those of their male-line grandchildren born of marriages with commoners. FactStraight (talk) 01:54, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The line of succession in this article is not properly sourced, none of the references give it. The previous contribution above is a good example of the problems involved in deciding these lines of succession to former thrones, we are often straying into original research. Even the list of pretenders is not well-sourced, although I realise this could be improved. PatGallacher (talk) 15:20, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]