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US is Canada?

Why is the Disribution Centre in Canada under the US section of International involvement? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chairsenses (talk • contribs) 14:22, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Ontario distribution center is in Ontario California, not Ontario Canada.Falcomadol (talk) 13:45, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Structure

Makes sense to me to add sections for Philips other products, and not just consumer electronics. Since their imaging systems cost in the hundreds of thousands of dollars, their imaging products probably make a substantial portion (if not a majority) of their annual revenues. FreedomWorks! 17:51, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Thought it useful to add Wikipedia links to the list of imaging systems FreedomWorks! 16:42, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Just noticed that a couple of the external links need to be redirected to subpages of the external sites they link to. Changed theworldofcdi.com link to a subpage that has the actual "History of CD-i" info. FreedomWorks! 17:24, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Grouped the External links by the pre-existing categories in the article (generally). Found a new site for each product category that didn't have at least two already. FreedomWorks! 17:41, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Just noticed I forgot Lighting product category! Added the 3 most-related external links re lighting. FreedomWorks! 18:35, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Lighting probably needs expansion, currently it is focused largely on the lamps (halogen and TL) production business. There are significant acquisitions that are not yet included in this article (Genlyte, Color Kinetics). It would probably be inappropriate for me to add these sections (employed by Philips)Falcomadol (talk) 14:00, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Expansion requested...

I'd like to see expansion of this article to cover various things, including more details of Philips history, details of the various divisions (by function and by country), more details of inventions, patents, innovative or famous products and also links to some of the more prominent employees. However I don't know enough to be able to add this lot - I might manage a snippet about the Redhill Research Labs. -- SGBailey 20:57, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I see no mention of Philips with regard to their computer divisions such as Philips Business System and Philips Data Systems. Philips also became a major player in the ATM market and multivendor computer maintenance.--Phimo 14:01, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Further to SGBailey There is also no mention of the Intellectual Property & Standards division which deals with patent protection and licensing --lewiswebb 14:44, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Expansion Plan

The four general product categories represented in this article are taken directly from Philips.com. Philips doesn't seem to give much prominence to its computer divisions, they are not even mentioned or linked to on Philips.com. So, to accomodate the interest in its computer divisions, perhaps adding a Other Products & Services section would do the article well -- after, of course, Lighting and Semiconductors are fleshed out. Any volunteers? FreedomWorks! 16:05, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Domestic Appliances & Personal Care needs to be mentioned as they are the market leader in shavers. Steelbeard1 17:03, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Does anybody know the history of those computer divisions? Philips was restructured in the 1990s, and all the current product divisions are listed in the article. --Silvonen 06:48, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


Philips Semiconductors

The Philips page will require a significant revision after its Semiconductor Division becomes a separate legal entity in October, 2006. DFH 18:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Following the sale of the Semiconductor Division to the private equity consortium (as announced on 2006-08-03), the name of the new company will be announced at the end of August 2006. When this new name becomes known, we should create a new Wikipedia page for it. DFH 12:46, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Once this new page is up and running, the redirect from Philips Semiconductors should be retargeted to it. DFH 13:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Created new business stub for NXP, the new company name announced today to the global media. DFH 07:21, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


Apparent Copyvio in Post-War section

It looks as if a few of the paragraphs in this section have been directly copied from the Philips website - for example: "In our more than 115 year history, this counts as a big step that is definitely changing the profile of the company."

Not necessarily a copyvio - the wording could have come from the Press Announcements. Anyway, some of the wording has just been changed in this section in order to give it a more encyclopedic tone, etc. By all means make further improvements, as long as they are kept factual. DFH 13:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


Nazi collaboration ?

The article suggests that Philips collaborated with the Nazis before and during WW2. While the article asks for a citation for this, I can't find anything to back up this suggestion. Given the severity of such a suggestion would it be appropriate to temporarily remove the sentence until an acceptable source is found?

The statement certainly requires qualification. A detailed account of how Philips fared under the German occupation of the Netherlands is included in Frits Philips' book. Unfortunately, I don't know where my copy of the book is currently located. DFH 16:23, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Reading of Frits Philips' obituary certainly makes it difficult to believe that Frits (or the division he was left with) voluntarily collaborated with the Nazis. (see http://www.cauxinitiativesforbusiness.org/lives/philips.htm). FreedomWorks! 16:01, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

This comes from the Frits Philips obituary site (roughly translated with Nice Translator, translation edited and complemented by me):
"Frits Philips had, as the sole remaining director of Philips in the occupied Netherlands, to determine the attitude of the group towards the occupiers. How to balance between the responsibility for 19,000 Dutch employees and indirectly supporting the war economy? Frits Philips began another personal war. A battle of bluff and empty promises, of sabotage and deceit, to attract and to oppose. This battle was fought mostly with the Verwalter, which were appointed to large companies to protect German interests. At Philips, two of these managers were appointed. [1]
The Holocaust placed Frits Philips for one of the most haunting questions of his career. At the insistence of the Germans in early 1943 he agreed to host an open workshop for Philips in the newly opened concentration camp Vught. This decision was motivated by the motive to make life bearable for the prisoners and give them as much protection as possible. That's what happened. Of the 469 Jewish prisoners who were eventually [deported to Auschwits and [2]]called the Philips-Kommando worked, 382 have survived the war [3]. Years later, in 1996, Israel rewarded Frits Philips for his help with the Yad Vashem medal [4].
Frits Philips even lost in his freedom May 1943, after a wildcat strike by staff. He remembered the enormous pressure under which he was in that period. "Upon entering the jail, I again looked back at me and said:" It is now May 3, the trees are all green, what will the world be like when I come out?" [5]
In 2009 here was an exhibition in Kamp Vught about the so called Philips Kommando [6]. There too, Philips was credited for saving lives.
M. Schledorn (talk) 23:27, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

United Kingdom

With the formation of NXP Semiconductors, and the employees at Hazel Grove and Southampton transferring to the new company, the number of Philips employees in the UK will need to be revised downwards. DFH 16:42, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I think the number of employees in the introduction is too low - Philips lists a total of 121, 732 in the 2006 Annual report.Lindenksv 05:10, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


Radiotherapy

Philips sold their Radiotherapy business to Elekta in 1997, but mention is still made in this article to 'radiation oncology'.

Its still on their website http://www.healthcare.philips.com/gb_en/products/ros/index.wpd?link_origin=gb_en_HC%3Amain%3Aheader-healthcare%3Aproducts_product Darwin-rover (talk) 17:25, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Philips still produces and actively sells a radiation planning system trade named Pinnacle (acquired with the ADAC buyout). This product belongs to the Philips Radiation Oncology Systems (PROS) business unit. Ratflinger (talk) 01:44, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Philips Whirlpool

Philips used to own the company that make the Whirlpool home appliances and it was known as Philips Whirlpool, however no mention is made of this here or in the article for the Whirlpool company. This needs to be rectified, I would do it but don't know enough about it to make any detailed edits and can't find anything online. 74.65.39.59 12:39, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually, "Philips Whirlpool" was a transitional name used after Whirlpool Corporation bought Philips' major appliance operations, beginning with a joint venture in 1988 with Whirlpool buying Philips' interest in 1991. It is mentioned in the bottom of the article under 'Global'. Steelbeard1 13:14, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Consumer complaints - It's Philips - It's Phailed

BBB statements about Philips actually show positive comments

I removed the recently added Consumer complaints section. It read as follows:

Philips has an increasingly growing amount of complaints through the BBB about selling products that fail to perform as expected. Products tend to fail just outside of warranty and it tends to happen more than just a normal expected failure rate. Most companies would consider a recall on such products but Philips just denies a problem exists and continues on as if nothing is wrong.
At the time of writing this, the Better Business Bureau has listed 739 customer complaints that were not handled by Philips in a satisfactory way for the customer. One tends to wonder how many people did not go to the BBB with their complaint. In doing a search online I found almost 500,000 hits of websites complaining about Philips.
BBB:Phillips

Besides not reading like an encyclopedia entry, the link did not support the editor's assertions.--S Roper 17:56, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


First DVD Player

Phillips not the first to produce and market the DVD player,Phillips DVD player is ODM product from PRC.

Phillips was the first to produce and market the DVD player. I couldn't find it in the wiki. Does anyopne know the model (models) or date of the/these DVD players? I know this to be a fact, and read about it in some periodical, but don't feel like looking for this factoid on the internet. Yes, I am that lazy.

No, Panasonic was by far the first to introduce DVD players into the market (models A-100 and A-300, I recall) by spring 1996. Philips was much later with its DVD730 and DVD930 models. A Toshiba-sourced model was introduced in the US market but not before Panasonic and Toshiba, of course. Philips was the first to introduce a DVD recorder into the market in Europe (the DVDR1000) but worldwide it was preceded by Pioneer and Panasonic models in the Japanese market.The Seventh Taylor (talk) 19:13, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Overview of major divestures

There's a section on the Semiconductors division becoming NXP and a tiny list of spin-offs but many divested daughters, divisions and business units are not mentioned yet. I'm thinking of:

  • Duphar
  • Hollandse Signaal
  • Data Systems
  • whitegoods division sold to Whirlpool
  • SuperClub
  • PolyGram
  • Philips Media
  • Components division (Display Components moved into joint venture LG Philips Displays; most Optical Storage into a JV with LiteOn but OPU activity to Arima Devices)
  • Mobile Display Solutions (sold to TPV)
  • Car Systems (sold to VDO Mannesmann, later Siemens VDO, now part of Continental)
  • Automotive Playback Modules (JV with LiteOn)
  • Philips Sound Solutions (sold to D&M Holding)
  • Philips Consumer Communications (mobile phones)
  • Enabling Technologies Group (sold to VDL)
  • OD&ME (now ODMS and part of VDL?)
  • security camera business sold to Bosch
  • broadcast equipment business sold to Thomson
  • set-top box business sold to Pace
  • factories sold to Jabil etc.

Furthermore Philips has for a considerable time had majority stakes in Grundig, Bang & Olufsen and Marantz but divested all of these, and then there are the divestures of stakes in Navteq, TSMC, JDS Uniphase, etc. I'm sure I've omitted many more. The Seventh Taylor (talk) 19:26, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

No mention of the recent sale of their TV division to a Chinese company ? Darwin-rover (talk) 17:28, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Philips sponsor of the Dutch football club.

I fail to see how this is important enough to be in the first summery of the article.

SelfQ (talk) 21:36, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

It is important, as Philips is not just a sponsor. Football club PSV Eindhoven, for decades now one of the top three Premier League soccer teams in the Netherlands, and the very succesful PSV swimming team, emanate from Philips' long-standing interest is sport as a valueble means of recreation for its employees. I will see if I can rewrite the section a bit. Michel Doortmont (talk) 22:54, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Philips old logo.svg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 14:30, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Done. Steelbeard1 (talk) 14:39, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Why Koninklijke?

Perhaps it's just a matter for those of us not familiar with Dutch industry, but it would be interesting to know what it is about Philips that allows/warrants/justifies them using the Koninklijke (Royal) prefix. -- Hpa (talk) 22:13, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I created a page for the English wiki: Koninklijk with a little explanation. Kweniston (talk) 16:10, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Puff piece

Hi all, this article is exceptionally unencyclopaedic in tone, talking about 'tough decisions' and 'returning to roots' with no sources whatsoever. Either this is plagiarised from a company website or it's written by some Philips groupie who wants to promote the company. Colonel Mustard (talk) 03:33, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

N.V.

Can you not say what the "N.V." in the full name stands for? ~ R.T.G 16:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikilinked it. I hope that clarifies things. baszoetekouw (talk) 22:10, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks ~ R.T.G 03:07, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Philips shellac records -- to confirm by experts

No mention has been done of Philips entering the shellac record market. These notes are a reminder only; as I'm not an expert in this affair, I hope that someone else would be so kind to document this issue and complete the article.

AFAIK, Philips entered the record market in the late forties. To my humble opinion, the oldest Philips records I've ever seen are the 78 rpm shellac french ones. As for their aspect, I bid they were pressed by the same plant that made Polydor records in France.

In Spain, the Philips records appeared as 78 rpm shellac records probably in 1953 or so. As for their aspect, I bid they were pressed in Barcelona by the Compañía del Gramofono-Odeon, the spanish branch of EMI. For the era, they were clearly co-existing with vynil records.

As for their musical contents and source of recordings, I must say the following (all of it also to confirm by experts):

- France: many of them I've seen contain french material. - Spain: many of them are dubbings from american Columbia matrixes; others are spanish recordings, german or dutch ones, french ones, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Icubillo (talk • contribs) 10:26, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

There is a separate article on Philips Records. Steelbeard1 (talk) 11:25, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Closures

  • Fairmont, WV plant closed in May 2009 (duplicated Salina facility, had been under closure process for about 10 years). Atlanta RDC was merged with Memphis RDC in July 2008Falcomadol (talk) 13:51, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Premier League?

PSV, as it is now known. The sports club encompasses all kinds of sports, but is currently most famous for its Premier League football team and its swimming team. Pretty sure the only league called the PL is the one in England, lads.218.25.32.210 (talk) 08:53, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

In a sense this is true. The first league in the Netherlands is called the Eredivisie, below that is the first division. Literally translated Eredivisie means the honorary league. The translation however is generally Premier League (probably in reference to the system used abroad). --JHvW (talk) 08:06, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

  • There are no facts to confirm that "Thailand Philips is a sponsor of PEA FC." Unless there are any objections, I'd like to remove it from the Philips page.1096BC (talk) 15:39, 15 December 2010 (UTC)1096BC

Philips-owned brands (possibly only used in France)

I am currently gathering information on the history of the Amstrad branch of 8-bit computers which was sold under the Schneider name in Germany, first and foremost to improve the Amstrad CPC article. In the process I stumbled over a "Schneider" product line of computers in France that are rebranded versions of Philips home computers (e.g., the G7000/Odyssey2 series), and apparantly this Schneider brand has nothing to do with Germany's Schneider company. Some documents hinted that Schneider - and Radiola - were not partner companies but rather brands used by Philips, but I can't seem to find any reliable source to confirm or disprove that assumption. Can anyone shed some light on this? --Takimata (talk) 02:01, 26 December 2009 (UTC)


Phillips needs new headquarters

Phillips needs new headquarters, a new building which can give Phllips the image of a modern brand.--83.63.180.213 (talk) 22:34, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

What does this have to do with Wikipedia? Also, it is called Philips, not "Phillips" or "Phllips" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.166.224.120 (talk) 06:38, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

If there are no objections, I'd like to update the caption on the Philips headquarters photo to read "Current Philips Headquarters in Amsterdam," rather than "Old Philips Headquarters." (1096BC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1096BC (talk • contribs) 14:36, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

The caption doesn't say that. Gr1st (talk) 17:26, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Some changes I would like to make

If there are no objections, I'd like to update the following facts on the Philips page:

-* Key facts and stats section- Pierre-Jean Sivignon (CFO) is the CFO at Philips and should be included among ""key people."" -* Key facts and stats section- Officially, Philips classifies its products under the following areas: consumer lifestyle, lighting and healthcare solutions. -* ""World Presence"" section -Philips Australia headquarters is in Sydney, not North Ryde. -* ""World Presence"" section - Philips do Brasil is located in Rio de Janeiro. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1096BC (talk • contribs) 14:30, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Taking each of these: First of all, I assume that by "key facts and stats section" you mean the infobox. Normally only the chairman and CEO "automatically" get a place in the infobox. Others are added if consensus deems them to be worthy of inclusion. The three divisions of the company would go in the infobox using the "divisions" field. Note the lead section already names them. Philips Australia headquarters are in North Ryde (a suburb of Sydney), as stated here. Can't see why the location of the Brazilian HQ shouldn't be added. Gr1st (talk) 17:23, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback- how does one achieve concensus if we are trying to there are only 2 of us contributing to this conversation? As for the discussion on Pierre-Jean Sivignon, he has quite a public presence and has been around for quite some time. I would like to hear more feedback on this. As for adding in the divisions- I do believe it is necessary as Philips is often misperceived as an electronics company solely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1096BC (talk • contribs) 15:43, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

In addition to adding Pierre-Jean Sivignon to the ""key people."" section, Franz van Houten is soon to formally take up the CEO position (1st April 2011). The current CEO Gerard Kleisterlee has his own article, so would it be worth adding an article for the new CEO? There is one in Dutch [ http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frans_van_Houten here], could this content be reused? comment added by lewiswebb (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:54, 20 March 2011 (UTC).

Worldwide Presence

  • I'd like to add the following information about Philips Canada under the Worldwide Presence section: "Philips Canada was founded in 1934. It is commonly recognized in Medical systems for diagnosis and Therapy, lighting technologies, shavers and consumer electronics. The high-tech Canadian headquarters are located in Markham, Ontario." Please let me know if there are any objections. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1096BC (talk • contribs) 15:39, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Healthcare products

Zaltbommel is the birthplace of the Philips Company

It was not Eindhoven but in Zaltbommel where the memorandum of association of the Philips Company was signed. But Frederik Philips and his son Gerard made the decision to establish their factory not in their hometown Zaltbommel but in Eindhoven. --145.53.144.81 (talk) 23:57, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Frederik Philips and his son Gerard

Anton Philips was not the co-founder of the Philips Company.

The founders of the Philips Company were Gerard Philips and his father Frederik Philips. Frederik was banker in Zaltbommel and the financier of the old en modest empty factory building at the Emma Street in Eindhoven where Philips established in 1891 its first factory. Gerards younger brother Anton came into the company some years later (in 1995) starting as a very talented salesman and became member of the firm in April 1899.

I don't know why the information regarding the founders of the Philips company on this Philips site is incorrect. Perhaps is Philips hiring public relation managers who are not very well informed regaring the company history. Better information regarding the company history can be found here For who can read Dutch is very nice information available on this site

--145.53.144.81 (talk) 01:09, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Worldwide Presence

The title of this section suggests that images shown should be of buildings currently in use around the world. I therefore deleted two images of buildings that have been demolished and included a note for how the demolition can be verified by anyone in the vicinity. Are the other images indicative of current worldwide presence?

81.174.132.82 (talk) 18:07, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Philips and Bakelite

Bakelite radio at Bakelite museum, note Philips logo.

Philips was known as one of the first companies to use Bakelite on a large scale, for such things as the casings of radio sets. Production of bakelite items was done in-house under the brand name "Philite", and this got to the point that Philips ended up producing non-electronics related bakelite items as well, even such mundane articles as toilet seats. Regrettably it's not that easy to find acceptable references on the web, the only decent document that came up was [1]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.26.181.48 (talk) 05:39, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

True I believe, but this goes into quite a lot of detail and old history for this article. Feel free to create the article History of Philips. There are sufficient sources for that, though most will be Dutch. Andries (talk) 09:38, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Removal -please clarify

diff -what are the "optical telecommunications products" developed with sony? If this is not an error it needs referencing, and linking, since it is not obvious.Imgaril (talk) 15:16, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Facilities

Danville, Paris, Milpitas facilities in the US are now former facilities. There needs to be a comprehensive rewrite of the article taking into account the status of the organization and facilities as of the end of the Kleisterlee era and the restructuring occuring under van Houton. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.172.208.68 (talk) 15:53, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

  1. ^ http://www.frits.philips.com/nl/belofte.html
  2. ^ http://www.geschiedenis24.nl/andere-tijden/afleveringen/2002-2003/Philips-en-de-gevangenen.html
  3. ^ http://www1.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Microsoft%20Word%20-%206346.pdf
  4. ^ http://www1.yadvashem.org/yv/en/righteous/pdf/virtial_wall/netherlands.pdf
  5. ^ http://www.frits.philips.com/nl/draaglijk.html
  6. ^ http://www.nmkampvught.nl/index.php?id=828
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