Talk:Peter Willey

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The Bowler's Holding[edit]

Is there any evidence that "The bowler's Holding the batsman's Willey" ever happened? It's a well known story and it certainly could have happened, but did it? If so, who said it on air, on what date? Failing that, when was the first time it appeared in print? E.g. who was the first commentator to put it in one of their memoirs? I think this is one of the stories about TMS that may well not be true. In any case I think the evidence should be cited here. My strong suspicion is that somebody made it up wishing they had said it, probably Johnners. The story seems to have got stronger since the "LegOver" incident, since that showed that the most outrageous things could happen on TMS. But it's notable that the exact date (and time) of that is easily located, while this one is mysterious.

BJ *said* he said it (during an interview) but I've never heard a recording of it being
said during commentary.
Apepper 18:01, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the same story is told on the Holding and the TMS pages. Again without evidence. I guess I will put a similar notice there. I'd be tempted to put at least "citation needed", or even say that it's a well known story which has not been tracked down. A 2003 article has Blowers saying it was in 1976 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/test_match_special/2664751.stm. That is not really contemporary. --85.210.32.94 21:20, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.thecustard.tv/thecrumble/thecrumble_36.html seems to imply that it was heard on the radio ... and laughter broadcast live ... which is more specific/etc than normal. Not proof though. Graldensblud 23:23, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A long time ago I heard it was Radio Northampton as the match was Northants v West Indies tourists. "The batsman's Holding the bowler's Willey is also correct". Over time Chinese whispers and human nature would switch the two roles and make it a Test Match, on the BBC with Brian Johnston. Sadly still no proof though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.72.110.12 (talk) 13:18, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Bowler's Holding[edit]

Is there any evidence that "The bowler's Holding the batsman's Willey" ever happened? It's a well known story and it certainly could have happened, but did it? If so, who said it on air, on what date? Failing that, when was the first time it appeared in print? E.g. who was the first commentator to put it in one of their memoirs?

I think this is one of the stories about TMS that may well not be true. In any case I think the evidence should be cited here. My strong suspicion is that somebody made it up wishing they had said it, probably Johnners. The story seems to have got stronger since the "LegOver" incident, since that showed that the most outrageous things could happen on TMS. But it's notable that the exact date (and time) of that is easily located, while this one is mysterious.

BJ *said* he said it (during an interview) but I've never heard a recording of it being
said during commentary.
Apepper 18:01, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the same story is told on the Holding and the TMS pages. Again without evidence. I guess I will put a similar notice there.

I'd be tempted to put at least "citation needed", or even say that it's a well known story which has not been tracked down.

A 2003 article has Blowers saying it was in 1976 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/test_match_special/2664751.stm. That is not really contemporary.

--85.210.32.94 21:20, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.thecustard.tv/thecrumble/thecrumble_36.html seems to imply that it was heard on the radio ... and laughter broadcast live ... which is more specific/etc than normal. Not proof though. Graldensblud 23:23, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A long time ago I heard it was Radio Northampton as the match was Northants v West Indies tourists. "The batsman's Holding the bowler's Willey is also correct". Over time Chinese whispers and human nature would switch the two roles and make it a Test Match, on the BBC with Brian Johnston. Sadly still no proof though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.72.110.12 (talk) 13:18, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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