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To add to this article: where was he born? 76.189.141.37 (talk) 03:12, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kudos and explanation[edit]

The unlogged edit done by IP 76.180.127.142 at 21:52 on 30 January 2020 was a good edit. The editor removed a phrase which did not appear in the citation that was appended (described as "Log Cabin Republican", citing Kirkland & Ellis partner page).

My edits today found repeared such disparities, in particular repeated citations of an NSA Archive page—which lists and links to various primary sources—as support for particular specific career appointments, where formal job titles and job durations appear in the text; however, no such specific information in support of those sentences was found in the source. Perhaps it appears in the documents to which that list links; but the source appearing, itself, did not support the sentence to which it was affixed. (The citation was moved to further reading, with a description of what the source actually communicates.)

As a result of finding too many autobigraphical inline citations—a partner page at a law firm, like a faculty page of a professor, is not independently published or fact-checked; it is essentially self-published material— as well as other poor biographical citations (Bloomberg), and as a result of the foregoing issue with poor support found in some inline citations, I posted an expert needed tag.

I chose this over citation specific tags because good biography for lawyers requires knowledge of that specialty body of sources, but also because the lead and the article as a whole only poorly captures this individual's career and experience (judging by the Kirkland & Ellis page, and the stray, misused reference to his work on interrogation policy legality for an earlier White House). Besides needing an expert re-write of its lede, this article likely needs a revision of the Career section, with subsections for important periods, as well as addition new sections on his role in particular newsworthy, controversial periods of US presidential history. (The same will be true when good reviews are written of the defense case in the current impeachment proceeding.)

Bottom line, we need a legal reporter/editor/scholar to review and likely rewrite this article, hence the "Expert needed" tag. Cheers. 2601:246:C700:19D:B160:B273:E4A3:8B0F (talk) 02:29, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I made a few small changes to the lede and removed the tag. The article is pretty small, not much other work to do on it besides add content. I am surprised there isn't more content from the Trump trial, as he seemed fairly prominent during the trial. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 17:59, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]