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My Chemical Romance

My Chemical Romance are given as an example of an album with only one use of profanity. This is incorrect. "You know what they do to guys like us in prison" and "I'm not okay" are 2 examples of tracks with profanity in them. I'd remove it, but not sure of another example to replace it with. 82.6.67.134 16:06, 13 August 2006 (UTC)Cf

Research on the Allure of the Parental Advisory Sticker

The RIAA denies that underage people listen to songs for the profanity, they claim they listen to music for the rythmn and beat. Who would buy something out of spite, that's a complete waste of money.

Personally, I would, if it proved a point (and if I wanted the CD).Dayn 02:18, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

When the "alternative" trend hit my school (mid-late 90's) it became popular to buy albums with parental advisory stickers because they were seem as being in some way rebellious and a sign that the band was "real" and not just 'pop with guitars'. I don't know of anyone who bought an album they didn't like just for the sticker but it was definitely considered a bonus. Danikat 13:55, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Negativland?

Negativland, if Lumberjack Mordam gets folded into Warner Music, may get the Parental Advisory sticker on their albums due to the graphicness and the explicit language on the albums "Escape From Noise", "Helter Stupid", "These Guys Are From England", "Fair Use", "Dispepsi", "Deathsentences...", and "Happy Heroes EP". If they do, then the kids that listen to "The Greatest Taste Around" will have to give up Dispepsi because of the sticker. In fact, maybe Green Day should get their albums labeled and...if the RIAA goes overboard, then we might see "Countdown to Ecstasy" and "Pablo Honey" get the Parental Advisory sticker due to explicit language ("Creep" and "Show Biz Kids", respectively). This needs to stop...probably. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.110.197.20 (talk) 21:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC).


Label's first use

The label was introduced in 1985 after pressure from the Parents Music Resource Center.

Actually, I seem to remember—seeing footage in some documentary or something—of Tipper and/or whomever at a press conference unveiling the "logo"—the distinctive black and white format of the label we know and love today. Previous to that, though, there was no real standard for parental advisories, and the text was usually much less conspicuous—see, for example, the warnings on the covers of "AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted" and "Nasty as They Wanna Be." Does anybody know any more details of when the current-style "explicit lyrics" label came out, or what record it was first used on? —Wiki Wikardo 07:12, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, hey, also

Does anybody know when they changed over from "explicit lyrics" to "explicit content?"

I would like to share my opinion about these warning labels. I believe that Tipper Gore and others were wrong to insist on the labels and that these labels should be dropped.

Censorship is wrong and all this happened because Tipper Gore had to be in the spotlight. These labels should be dropped.

I have no clue as to why it was changed. And by the way, this is not censorship. Censorship is preventing things from being viewed, this is just warning people. MalwareSmarts 16:52, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't know when it changed, but I'm pretty sure that it was changed becuase some albums had explicit artwork and not lyrics. My friends call me capn 19:33, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Garbage, Clean "sticker" & More

The iTunes version of "Absolute Garbage" is not "edited" or "clean" or marked as such. However, instead of bearing a parental advisory on the album, it's affixed to the two individual tracks that contain vulgarities (the 'shit' on Why Do You Love Me, as described, but neglected in the article is the 'fuck' on Bleed Like Me).

Also, anything regarding the clean sticker is made up almost entirely of individual research and perception. Clean versions of albums are commercially available, but no one other than Wal-Mart ever wants to stock them. They always can be ordered online. Moreover, there's no such thing as a clean "sticker". Some stores (like FYE), to avoid confusion, put an "Edited" sticker on top of the wrapper, but it's not commonplace. The only obligation the record labels have to such an extent is to make sure the title on the jewel case's upper seal ends with (Edited), (Amended), or (Clean).

Meanwhile, most of the part about iTunes versions of albums being flagged as edited seems inferred. I personally think it's much more likely that a label that signed a Christian band like Relient K wants to drive home the point that the album contains no vulgarities, and checks the "clean" box on the iTunes application, unaware that it doesn't just mean the lyrics are clean, it means they've been changed to be that way. DackAttac (talk) 02:22, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

pa is fucking

Saudi Arabia?

i am from saudi arabia, i go to the record stores every day, but there is not a single (clean version) album, we do ship PA album, want video or photo prof? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.107.116.248 (talk) 10:24, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

When I was in Saudi Arabia in the late 90s, I bought a number of clean version CDs and tapes, and the stores I went to preferred them to explicits where possible. 82.7.237.14 (talk) 18:05, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Kimya Dawson?

Looking at her discography it looks like the only major label stuff she has released has been on compilations, yet she's included in the sentence that begins "But some major-label artists' CDs evade Parental Advisory, such as most albums from [...]"

Sure, she has gotten popular, but she doesn't appear to be a major label artist unless I'm missing something. Ungovernable ForcePoll: Which religious text should I read? 00:15, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

The Killers' Sawdust album, what?

Why would that album even have a Parental Advisory sticker, or even warrant one? The article lists the album on the part where major artists sometimes evade PA stickers, and I read through the lyrics of Sawdust -- there's absolutely nothing that would warrant a PA sticker, so I'm taking it off. It didn't evade a sticker, because it didn't even need one anyways. Who the fuck added that? o.O Blindeffigy (talk) 11:52, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Parental Guidance

My copy of Metallica's Garage Inc. came with a sticker that said Parental Guidance: Explicit Lyrics. I know this is a version of Parental Advisory, but is this an older version? Bramblestar (ShadowClan Leader) (talk) 21:07, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Should we make a list?

I think we should make a list for albums with only 1 strong language (which is "fuck") with the PA Label like Angels And Airwaves's "We Don't Need To Whisper" and albums with lots of f words that has no PA Label like Atreyu and Deftones albums.

Sounds sort of listcrufty. But here's a few for the list is it ever comes around:

But still, it's very listcrufty. MalwareSmarts 16:55, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Here's some more:

  • Pop by U2. It has a number of f-words. MalwareSmarts 18:03, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
That is a list that will never be complete. Number of reasons.
  • The label isn't retroactive. There are albums that predate the label that still get pressed today without it.
  • This is just the way I remember things, but it seems you could get away with a lot more on a mainstream pop/rock record than you could on a rap record up until the early 00's, when they started putting it on albums regardless of genre. (Pop & Dookie, as 90's rock albums, fall into this category.)
  • The version I've heard is each record label has its own rules about how many louse words you can get out before they stamp the advisory on there. Aerosmith's Just Push Play has four instances of fuck, but they're all evaded in the booklet. The Fratellis' Costello Music (which came out in America last year, for reference) has two fucks, one cunt on the record, but only one fuck on the booklet. Perhaps there's an unwritten rule that four is the most you can get away with?
Between those circumstances, the list would be so massive that it would start to just feel like the authors of the article name-checking their favorite artists that this applies to. (And to be honest, the article already feels that way.) DackAttac (talk) 02:13, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I made a list called "List of Parental Advisory Albums". Check it out! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.47.180.249 (talk) 22:35, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

  • I recommend against it. Hardly any album is clean these days and the list will never stop multiplying. I would say maybe the first album to get that label and George Carlin naming one of his albums after the label are worthy of mention, and that is it. USN1977 (talk) 14:45, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Linkin Park

Minutes to Midnight *DID* have profanity in it (Bleed it out is the one example that comes to mind) 206.116.188.232 (talk) 05:08, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Green Day

Dookie as well contains explicit lyrics, especially in the song "Longview."

-WalterJid

Dookie has them in "Burnout", "Having A Blast", "Longview" and "Fuck Off and Die".
I belive I added that in a few weeks ago Maplejet 20:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


21st century breakdown dose deserve a warning if they will insist on using them for the song Horseshoes and Handgrenades Cbloomer5548 (talk) 18:57, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Uno, Dos and Tre swear up a fucking storm.

This bit makes no sense - to me anyway...

Copy and pasted from the 8th paragraph in the controversies section:

However, some of the "clean" stickers may be given to albums with no profanity, such as the case with Blur's self-titled album, which was given a clean sticker because it had three tracks within "Essex Dogs": "Dancehall", the former song, and "Intermission".

One thing: WHAT ON EARTH DOES THAT MEAN?

(And on a calmer note, it's "Interlude", not "Intermission", which was on another Blur album - which i'll go change myself). --92.237.84.183 (talk) 17:13, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

"Explicit Lyrics" and "Explicit Content"

Is there a difference between the two? Is one more graphic than the other? Geeky Randy (talk) 03:47, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

I would like anyone to edit this article to include some references to drug use, because some songs, particularly D12's "Purple Pills" feat. Eminem does have a reference to drug use (see the article on Radio edit for more information) because that would also give an album the sticker, not only profanity and sex reference, also drug reference as in the aforementioned "Purple Pills" by D12 feat. Eminem. --Marceki111 (talk) 22:25, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

comment

We should make a list of every CD that has a Parental Advisory sticker.

That would be a long list, about 30% of all CDs I've seen have the label. The list wouldn't be necessary as this label is common nowadays. 173.20.183.94 (talk) 04:02, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

This article should mention Tipper Gore explicitly. Somehow, there is only one reference to PMRC, the organization behind this whole initiative. In pop culture, Tipper is almost synonymous with this label. I was surprised not to find her name anywhere on this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.208.242.74 (talk) 19:33, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Audio recording only

I just changed the lead section where is reads "affixed by .... to audio recordings"; it did say " audio and recordings". The definition of audio is recorded, transmitted or reproduced sound. The definition of recording includes both audio and visual material. I have a question about this. Is the label used on visual material like music videos or movies with songs in them? If it is then the lead needs to read " recordings" or expand the sentence to be more explicit about where it is used. Probing Mind (talk) 23:44, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

On manga

So why this warning is on english manga covers? On manga with only nudeness, it's silly. --Rev L. Snowfox (talk) 10:08, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Linkin Park?

It says they only used one instance of offensive words. "Given Up", "Bleed It Out" and "Hands Held High" have curse words.

I haven't heard all the songs, but it mentions "strong instances of profanity", so if it's just words like hell or damn, it may not be considered strong. 71.236.76.120 03:28, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

They said "fuck" 8 times. I think we need to take that out.

Green Day's "American Idiot" had 6-7 uses of f--k. If it doesn't make the list, then Minutes shouldn't. Same thing with A Thousand Suns. One song used motherf--ker repeatedly in the chorus.--VegetaSaiyan (talk) 23:06, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Oh nobody gives a f--k about it! Linkin Park is a screwy band. Green Day doesn't deserve the PA, they have only 8 f--ks, and 19 total uses of profanity. 21st Century Breakdown had 8 uses of f--k, 5 in Horseshoes and Handgrenades. There is a total of 15 profanities — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.125.52.143 (talk) 22:44, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

It is not like younger people listen to Linkin Park. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LemSpike (talk • contribs) 06:54, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Sources

WikiRedactor (talk) 18:35, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

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Reviewer: Prism (talk · contribs) 17:01, 5 July 2014 (UTC)


Prose

Lead
  • "launched by the British Phonographic Industry (BPI) in 2011" This makes it seem like the label was introduced in 1985 but only started being printed in 2011.
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  • "although has been" → "although it has been"
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  • "The label was first affixed on physical compact discs and cassette tapes, although has been included on digital listings offered by online music stores to accommodate the growing popularity of the latter platform." All and all this offers weak contrast. The "although" formatting isn't the most correct here, so maybe changing it to "and" would be the best option.
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  • "Recordings with the Parental Advisory label are generally released in censored versions that reduces or completely eliminates the questionable material." This makes it seem like all albums with the Parental Advisory are only released in censored editions. Regardless of how you're going to reword the sentence, "completely" is redundant.
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  • "Several physical retailers" Why physical, if the label is also affixed in digital releases?
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  • Remove "often" from "has often been".
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Background
  • "perceived inappropriate content" Could you substitute "perceived" and "inappropriate" with respective synonyms? It's a bit repetitive considering that the last sentence of the lead already has those words.
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  • "its masturbation references" → its references to masturbation
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  • "common standard" If it's a standard, then it is common...
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  • "it was slightly reworded" Remove "slightly"
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  • "fundamentally unchanged" Is "fundamentally" necessary? I mean, was it altered during those years or not?
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Application
  • "simultaneously distribute" Remove "simultaneously"
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  • You only give one example of each case when you say "the latter may occasionally be more expensive than that its unedited counterpart, while some circumstances will see both versions equally priced". I think you're giving undue weight to this, especially if this isn't addressed by any source other than the links you provided from the store. If you can't find another source, remove it. (This also applies to the following sentence)
 Done, removed because no citation explicitly discusses pricing.
  • "additionally noted" Remove "additionally"
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  • "while the mother of a stricter companion did not allow her child to listen to the record" Is this his opinion or did this apply to, say, a friend of his? If it's the last case, maybe you should clarify the sentence.
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I'm impressed! This is an excellent article, which, I presume was in awful condition before you expanded it. I can see this getting an FA in the future; just one mild concern – I think this could be expanded even further, because there are books which discuss the PA label (here). pedro | talk 17:01, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

@Prism: Thanks so much for your review! I've made all of the corrections you have outlined above, and will sort through some Google Books results when I have some time to really get into them and determine what is worth including in the article. WikiRedactor (talk) 18:34, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Slayer

Seasons in the Abyss is cited as containing no profanity, but I'm pretty sure that's not correct. Listen to Expendable Youth at 2:32.

  • I read the lyrics on a song lyrics site, and it didn't include any profanity within the lyrics. --Ryanasaurus007 (talk) 03:11, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
The lyrics on the band's own web site (Slayer.net) show the song "Expendable Youth" indeed uses the profanity "motherfucker." Also, while "violent" lyrics are of course hard to define, it is pretty ridiculous to claim that no lyrics on "Seasons in the Abyss" are violent. Sample lines include: "The sport is war, total war/When the end is a slaughter"; "To kill, the exhilaration"; "Shattering the skull, shredding the brain/Severing the spine/Bury a round of lead in the chest"; and "Violence is only a friend." In short, the article is incorrect and obviously used improper second-hand sources. 76.23.157.102 (talk) 02:27, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

I own a physical CD with a PA sticker on it. So it is indeed containing of some profanity. -anon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.225.122.57 (talk) 19:21, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

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Comparative sales

Given that both stickered and clean versions of specific products are available, it would be interesting to include a study comparing the average or range of ratios in sales of the two versions. Jontel (talk) 18:38, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Not in the 30's to 70's, it’s in 1985

It was not founded from it, including Underground Album by David Allan Coe. AdwenKnowItAll (talk) 18:44, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

GA criteria

Article is tagged for original research. Does it meet GA criteria? (t · c) buidhe 20:54, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Used in Europe for Video Games?

In Europe, video games such as GTA 1, The Getaway, The Getaway: Black Monday, Tony Hawks Pro Skater 3, Backyard Wrestling and BMX XXX used either the "explicit lyrics" or "explicit content" labels in addition to the regular age ratings. Should this be noted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TIGHazard (talk • contribs) 12:44, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

BPI introduction

It says in the lead that the BPI in 2011? I'm confused, as there has long since been PA labels on albums in the UK, possibly dating as far back as in the US.--TangoTizerWolfstone (talk) 20:09, 14 May 2015 (UTC) Those labels also have always been on many US music discs sold in Germany, where those labels have no meaning or legal consequences at all. I guess they're just part of the cover design even outside the US. --2A02:908:1460:CF80:AC19:54B7:5FB0:BC68 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 13:52, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Age Level

What's the age level for albums being labeled for explicit lyrics? --PJ Pete

It depends on the state. I think the age level to buy certain albums with labels is 18- but that depends on the state.

Some retailers won't sell offensive material to anyone under 18.

Personally, I think Tipper Gore should have kept quiet. Warning labels don't mean a thing to me. I think these parental advisory labels should be dropped.

here in Oregon its store to store. for example Target doesn't care while Fred Meyer does. MrM 03:58, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

So, if I go to a Target in Oregon, they won't I.D. me, but if I go to a Fred Meyer in Oregon they will? My friends call me capn 01:40, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

More interesting question: is it actually illegal to sell PA labeled CDs to a person under the age of 18 or under a certain other age? If I understand the article right those labels are not mandatory and I think I read somewhere that the US constitution allows you to sell mature rated games and movies to minors (= free speech). So I wouldn't see what would stop me from selling PAL CDs to kids in my own store (definitely not some angry parents). -- 2A02:908:1460:CF80:AC19:54B7:5FB0:BC68 (talk) 14:06, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Renaming

This article must be renamed the label is known as PAL and thats what this article should be titled. 76.109.187.138 18:52, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

PAL already stands for Phase Alternating Line. 2A02:908:1460:CF80:AC19:54B7:5FB0:BC68 (talk) 14:10, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Year contradiction

The opening section says the label was introduced in 1987, but later the article says it was first used in 1990. Keith D. Tyler 18:14, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

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