Talk:Papal profession of faith (late 7th century)

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Sources?[edit]

The only source for the Liber Diurnus text seems to be the Liber Diurnus itself, which presents it as a formula sent by a new pope to the imperial exarch when asking for recognition. It is ridiculous to say that it was used "by each new Pope from the fifth through eleventh centuries". How prescient fifth-, sixth- and early-seventh-century popes would have been, if - as editor Kendrick7 says - each of them took an oath mentioning the sixth Ecumenical Council, which was not held until 680-681, together with the names of the Pope and the Emperor of 680-681! And how curious that later Popes, down to the eleventh century, did not - again according to editor Kendrick7 - recognize the Second Council of Nicaea (787) or the Fourth Council of Constantinople (869-870), and that they still spoke of the Third Council of Constantinople as recent!

It is quite unbelievable that the presumably serious works to which Kendrick7 refers as sources say: "The Papal Oath as found in the Liber Diurnus was taken by each new Pope from the fifth through eleventh centuries." Would he please quote the words with which, as he claims, they make this ridiculous statement. Lima 04:48, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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"Ambiguous expressions in some anti-Catholic writings could lead incautious readers to suppose that the text in the Liber Diurnus Romanorum Pontificum was used by all newly elected Popes until the eleventh century and that it had been in use since the fifth century."

How do we know the oath was not taken between the 7th and 11th centuries? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.153.131.140 (talk) 23:03, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]