Talk:Oratory (speaking)

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This article was nominated for merging with Orator on 14 August 2007. The result of the discussion was no concensus.

This article was nominated for merging with Public speaking on 24 October 2007. The result of the discussion was keep.

Additional Definition[edit]

Oratory is also a type of Roman Catholic church. "As a general term, Oratory signifies a place of prayer, but technically it means a structure other than a parish church, set aside by ecclesiastical authority for prayer and the celebration of Mass." From the public domain 1911 edition of the Catholic Encyclopedia. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11271a.htm A link should be made to this definition of Oratory. MinnRay (talk) 12:59, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal[edit]

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no consensus

Oratory means exactly the same as Public speaking. The article on public speaking talks about public speaking clubs and glassophobia, and this sounds like it is lacking a lot that it could take from Rhetoric.--Dwarf Kirlston 19:07, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Against: Oratory is actually the ancient Greek/Roman term. No one uses it to describe contemporary public speaking. --aparapal

I am not talking about the naming, I am saying that they refer to the same thing and deserve to be merged, what name they should conglomerate in is not in discussion at the moment.

Oratory in Roman and Greek Civilization sounds like a possible name for an article focused on Greek/Roman Oratory, both public speaking and oratory would have room for the history of oratory - for Oratory in Roman and Greek Civilization.--Keerllston 18:12, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

While oratory and public speaking might have similar empirical definitions I think the implications in the modern English language are rather different thereby warranting two seperate articles in Wikipedia. To expand on the reference to Greek and Roman Civilisation inherent in the word Oratory this term also implies a far more inspiring and well conceived address to a crowd as opposed to the term public speaking which has at its core simply the act of addressing a crowd at all.

I don't know who posted the Korean part or how to even contribute, but it's obvious that it shouldn't be here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.106.212.219 (talk) 04:40, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Oratory vs. Public Speaking[edit]

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no consensus

I've suggested that Orator be moved into this page as there is very little to separate the actor from the act. Moreover, the Orator article isn't very good. Nofrak 14:31, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As an instructor of public speaking at a small community college, I would recommend you stay with public speaking rather than merge with oratory. The reason I would recommend this is that I believe the average person searching information on this subject would more than likely type in public speaking as key words for the search rather than oratory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.42.123.51 (talk) 18:07, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There needs to be a disambiguation page to separate the term "Orator" from the work of Cicero of the same name. 99.156.68.129 (talk) 14:09, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Rewrite?[edit]

Someone who is familiar with the history of the subject, please meld the criticism section into the main history section and add more detailed information. At the moment it does seem rather cursory..Andycjp (talk) 03:52, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, a rewrite is needed. And in doing so, the decision of whether or not to merge the article into public speaking should be more evident. I looked at this criticism section, and I honestly tried to merge it. However in doing so, it is evident that the section is pure WP:OR and is presented as critism of the facts stated in the article, not in classification of oratory itself. I'm removing it. -Verdatum (talk) 21:20, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]