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Why isnt "Breath" listed as a guest single?

She guest singled on the swollen members Single "Breath". Why is it not listed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.68.42.98 (talk) 03:17, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

m 12 feb7: seperate music from bio, in2 2 seperate sections

why is this page locked? what were the vandalisations? anyways, nelly's music needs to be SEPERATE from her bio. writtenby208.58.196.156 07:07, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Plagiarism

Why was this Plagiarism article removed ? If you read at Furtado producer responsible of theft ? you clearly see that there is a reason to post it.

• Look at the Timbaland article, or 2007 Timbaland plagiarism controversy. While I do think the controversy could be mentioned in this article as well, it wasn't actually Nelly who did it. (Nevertheless, it's really hilarious that Furtado means "stolen".) Muad 13:47, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I think too that Furtados article should say something about the controversy, and something about that too, that it means "stolen" [1].Solarius 14:23, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

to be more accurate, I would say that the controversy is important to mention, because it is definetly related to Furtado. Solarius 14:27, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Furtado means stolen or lost or avoided, in the same way that dormer windows are called águas furtadas (stolen waters), please don't over-simplify for the sake of the joke. (And before you ask, I'm not even a fan of her's...she giggles way too much when she is asked something in Portuguese to convince me that she can actually speak it. Bryan Adams also speaks Portuguese: "Sim" and "Não") Galf 09:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

singles chart position

quit changing nellys promiscuous canadian chart position! shes at number 5 hasnt reached #1 yet! http://jam.canoe.ca/Music/Charts/BDS_1.html

Um, that is the "The Hits Charts (Airplay) : Top 100 singles". You are not looking at the correct chart. Nelly is currently #2 on the Canadian singles chart [2]. She was #1 a few weeks ago. Look at the singles chronology in the Promiscuous (song) article. --Musicpvm 00:14, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

yes number 1 in sales but not in airplay.... Nelly is a mad singer

To the person who changed the Canadian singles chart, can you show me a reference, because I don't believe those numbersÔ 20:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Albums Sales

Well, it is my first time registering on this amazing site but few months back I had added album certifications for Nelly Furtado and someone had removed it. I don't know why , I don't know who did it but please, it took me quite some time and I think her success with her sales is incredible, and I want others to see it aswell, so please I would appreciate it if it was left there. Thanks! User:Garry Sousa

I removed them, because I put them into the articles of the albums (Whoa, Nelly! and Folklore) as that's a more appropriate place. Also, they are unsourced, could you please add your sources to the album articles? --Fritz S. (Talk) 09:36, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Where do we type our sources? im new here lol... i got whoa nelly certifications on nelly's website and i estimated it at 7 million.....i had read many articles about whoa nelly saying it sold 6 to 7 million... i dont know if im allowed to do that.....for folklore i got info from billboard.com and sound recording canada...i also checked the german recording music industry....took me quite some time finding all this info..i did estimate the sales because the albums did obviously sell more than what it was certified example canada platinum is 100,000 well it sold alittle more than 100,000 ya know what i mean??....well if u dont want to add the sales its ok...Garry Souza

I think it's okay to add them (and it's great you compiled such a list - must have been quite some work looking for the figures), I just think the album's articles are a better place. Usually sources are added at the bottom (above External links) in a section called "References" in a bullet list. If you want you can just add the URLs where you got the info on the album's talk pages or right here, and I'll add it to the articles. --Fritz S. (Talk) 09:58, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Award for each certification/units was found on All countries RIA websites .......WHOA NELLY I got all awards on nellyfurtado.com Australian RIA http://www.aria.com.au/ Canada RIA http://www.cria.ca/ Chile..Portugal..Mexico...Indonesia ....Venezuela dont have websites so i did my own research... Denmark RIA http://www.ifpi.dk/ France RIA http://www.disqueenfrance.com/ Germany RIA http://www.ifpi.de/ India RIA http://www.indianmi.org/ Ireland RIA http://www.irma.ie/ Italy RIA http://www.fimi.it/ Netherlands RIA http://www.nvpi.nl/nvpi/home.asp?pagnaam=homepage New Zealand RIA http://www.rianz.org.nz/ Norway RIA http://www.rianz.org.nz/ Singapore RIA http://www.rias.org.sg/ Sweden RIA http://www.ifpi.se/ Switzerland RIA http://www.ifpi-schweiz.ch/ UK RIA http://www.ifpi-schweiz.ch/ USA RIA http://www.riaa.com/ Folklore the album was certified in some of those countries so i dont need to retype it all again lol EXCEPT! just found out well i just searched in the AUSTRIAN RIA http://www.indianmi.org/ Folklore was certified Gold (15,000+units) and the rest on this website http://www.pch.gc.ca/pc-ch/sujets-subjects/arts-culture/sonore-sound/music_industry/4_e.cfm its alittle behind....THANK YOU! god this is soo complicated lol and you could extend the Worldwide sales on Folklore at 1.4 million...the albums sell alittle more than what its certified like i said above.Forgot to mention as for the EUROPEAN AWARD 1,000,000 units check on this site http://www.ifpi.org/site-content/platinum/plat2001.html Garry Sousa

These are all just general links to the RIA's main pages. Links to the actual pages where she is listed would be a lot more helpful. (e.g. http://www.ifpi.de/wirtschaft/gpergebnis.php?strAktion=suche&txtSuche=Nelly%20Furtado instead of just http://www.ifpi.de/) --Fritz S. (Talk) 16:40, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

well thats tonss of work!!! i did that long time ago...but you know it isnt my problem....if people really want to knowo then they shoudl search themselves on each site....

Sure, but according to Wikipedia's guidelines (see WP:CITE) articles should have proper refereces, so their accuracy is easier to verify, etc. --Fritz S. (Talk) 17:24, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

fine then forget how many units beside each country and just put the countries and the certification.....on nellyfurtado.com under NELLY awards/honors says it all!

Languages

I reworded the part where it said that she spoke English, Portuguese, Hindi, and Spanish to make it more accurate. Nelly Furtado does not speak all these languages (not Spanish at least), she has only learned lyrics to do duets with people like Juanes. See [3] (in Spanish). I know she speaks Portuguese and English, but Im not sure about Hindi...See ya. User:Orgullomoore not signed in, if you think Im someone else you should definitely block me :-P If she is listening to Nusrat Fateh ali Khan, he sung in Urdu, which is a more poetic and cultured form of Hindi.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.151.219.195 (talk • contribs) . Sorry, but Urdu is a completely different language! Its not a different 'form' of Hindi. There are influences of many languages that gave birth to Urdu, including Hindi, Arabic, Persian, Latin, English and a few more, with Hindi being the biggest influence. Apermal 22:01, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Whistle Register

When did she ever reach this? Ive never heard her sing high at all! 67.181.94.96 04:33, 12 February 2006 (UTC) Yeah, me too. I've never heard her.Precycartman 19:10, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Regional singles

I removed two of the regional singles (the Mexico-only "Trynna Finda Way" and the South Africa-only "Legend") as I couldn't find anything to verifiy that these have been released: None of the large fansites list these, and Google didn't find anything, either. I also removed the "Party's Just Begun" as it was just released as a promotional single. --Fritz S. (Talk) 17:16, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

"Legend"'s gotten credible airplay on Canadian radio, I'll just note for anyone interested. :) Samaritan 17:47, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

First name

Is it REALLY Nelly? I almost refuse to believe it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Triangle e (talk • contribs)

Yes, it is. She answers that question in this interview from 2000.

lovegrowsdeeper: is nelly short for noella? 
launch_nelly_furtado: No, just Nelly. Nelly Kim Furtado. I was named after a gymnast.

--Musicpvm 19:55, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Single Chart History

Nelly has had only 3 singles chart on the Hot 100... "I'm Like A Bird," "Turn Off the Light" and "Promiscuous." Camcallister 12:12, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Azorean-Portuguese

Why is it important that she is of Azorean-Portuguese descent? Shouldn't Portuguese be sufficient? If Azorean-Portuguese is acceptable, then wikipedia should specify that person "X" is "Albertan-Canadian" or a "Floridian-American".

Well, the Azores are a group of islands that are far from mainland Portugal. They have a different history/culture and are actually an autonomous region of the country, so I think it is important to mention. --Musicpvm 22:27, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

You could however write it in a different way. "Azorean-Portuguese" misleadingly suggests that she's of "mixed" ancestry, but as far as I know both her parents are Azoreans. How about "Portuguese (Azorean)"? FilipeS 22:11, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that would work for me. --Musicpvm 22:14, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

different history and culture?! since when?! --Pedro 15:05, 18 July 2006 (UTC) Either call her Azorian or Portuguese, not Azorian-Portuguese, that would be like calling someone a Londoner-English... Galf 09:26, 2 March 2007 (UTC) Azoreans ARE Portuguese. It's the same etnicity. They speak the same language, only with a different accent. Azores is only the most remote of the many regions of Portugal. So Nelly is etnically Portuguese. Drop the Azorean. I mean, am I Lisbon-Portuguese or what?

Promoted to GA

It is recommended to place the album information inside the Discography section and to have more up-to-date information on her personal, emotional and professional life in the biography section. Also, the Discography section is almost a duplicate of what the article talks about so it is IMHO not really necessary, especially the reviews in all those countries and the album charting since it could be mentioned in the text. It also lacks a section about her reception/acceptance into the musical scene. Lincher 00:17, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

This is a confusing comment. Discography/chart sections are standard for musicians and the main article doesn't repeat anything from it. There's really no need for any major changes. Crumbsucker 06:16, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Personal life

I don't think this should be a separate section in this article. The article should be chronological. In the rest of the Folklore section, Furtado's daughter and pregnancy is mentioned as an influence of the album, so the fact that she gave birth should be mentioned before that. The album headings are supposed to represent eras rather than just information about her albums; that is why they are under the "Biography" section. I will make some changes to the headings to make this more obvious. I also plan on adding more "personal life" information to the article after I find good sources. --Musicpvm 18:53, 23 June 2006 (UTC) Is it true she just had a baby? When was she ever pregnant? lol Le Anh-Huy 08:55, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Portuguese-Canadian

I don't now why "people" are always removing the Portuguese-Canadian thing. So by that perspective the Carmen Miranda article should only have Portuguese in the lead. Everyone sees Carmen as a Brazilian… I bet that if Nelly was a criminal she would be "exported" and in the article we would have just Portuguese, and the Canadian constantly being removed, but she's famous… people can retrieve info from her interview to today's Jornal de Noticias: [[4]]--Pedro 10:15, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Nobody is trying to deny that she is of Portuguese heritage. Why would we when the article goes on to say how much her Portuguese roots have influenced her life and music? But usual Wikipedia style for biographies is to just include nationality and not ethnicity in the intro. Even for people like Martin Luther King, Jr., it does not say African American in the first sentence of his article; it says American. --musicpvm 17:23, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

• Martin Luther King was an American, saying another thing is a little racist even if he was Black (I believe, I don't know his life), Nelly Furtado is not exactly Canadian, as both of her parents are Portuguese and she sees herself as Portuguese, also Canadian I think as she was born in there and lived in there.

from the interview:

Neste álbum, explora sons latinos. É comercialmente mais rentável do que o folclore?

Não, apeteceu-me, simplesmente. Estava no ambiente de Miami e o passo seguinte foi cantar em espanhol. Tenho amigos , como o Juanes, que me encorajaram. Adoro cantar em espanhol. E em português. Por isso chamei Nevis à minha filha. Senti que podia exprimir-me em espanhol e, ainda assim, sentir-me portuguesa.

I dated a so called born "Canadian" of a real Canadian father (Anglo-saxon) and Portuguese mother, but was always saying to me: "I'm Portuguese, not Canadian". I'm not saying that her case is similar, but first generation is not the same as people living there for some generations. I know black people, that as nothing to do with Africa. Besides there's no country known as Africa.---Pedro 18:11, 19 July 2006 (UTC) Furtado is Canadian. That is her nationality. See WP:MOSBIO. "Nationality (In the normal case this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen or national, or was a citizen when the person became notable.)" Nationality and ethnicity are two very different things. --musicpvm 18:31, 19 July 2006 (UTC) If you are born and raised in Canada, you are Canadian. it doesn't matter what your ethnicity is. The purpose of the lead sentence is to give nationality, not ethnicity. The difference between Nelly and Carmen Miranda is that Carmen was born in one country and raised in another. Pages of most other Canadians and Americans don't give ethnicity in the lead sentence, altho it seems to done occasionally when the subject of an article is not a WASPy enough. Nelly's bio section goes into full details about her cultural background anyway. Crumbsucker 03:23, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

• Please be intellectually fair. The problem of Carmen Miranda is that a "lie" told many times become a fact. As she was not born in Brazil and didn't have Brazilian nationality, only Portuguese by her own will. There's in fact another Portuguese-Brazilian famous in Brazil and Portugal in the same situation. But we all know Carmen is the Brazilian icon and lived there most of her life, thus Portuguese-Brazilian seems very appropriate. Now back to Nelly… Today I just met a friend from work, that I don't usually see, but I've remember her case is like Nelly's, as she was born in Germany and lived there most of her life, and her parents were both Portuguese, and I've asked her about nationality issues (I remembered this talk), she said that surely she had Portuguese nationality after she was born and at the age of 18, following the German law (an EU country, Portuguese are EU citizens, and have special rights), she had to choose. In Portugal also, just because the birthplace is Portugal doesn't mean you are Portuguese, in fact, that was a big issue for Africans from former colonies. And these, due to shared history now (2006 onwards) can have many benefits. As for Canada, I don't know the Canadian Law, but she is Portuguese both nationally and ethnically so Saying she’s Canadian, is very odd, and most don't recognized her like that, not only in Portugal but worldwide, because she shows that to people. And wikipedia policies are for general cases, not for particular cases like Nelly or Carmen Miranda! Portuguese is not part of her history is part of her daily life, and there are several articles about her music, that always has "Canadian", "Canadian", and "Canadian"… how's that? For me that's POV at best or cultural differentiation as the Americas were built by many people, but we all know that's not the hole truth as both Canada and the USA are still by definition Anglo-Saxon countries. ---Pedro 19:07, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Furtado was born and raised in Canada. She refers to herself has Canadian. Most media sources refer to her as Canadian. Case closed. You're grasping at straws. Crumbsucker 10:46, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

the idea is to indicate in a sentence the significant cultural elements in her 'formation' - these are both Canadian and Portugese (along with all the others she has picked up). What is the big deal? The Mike Myers article mentions his British heritage - because it influenced his comedy -he is probably able to get a British passport by descent - but is still Canadian[User:Pliny|Pliny]] 14:17, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Furtado's article adequetely goes into her cultural heritage, but her nationally is Canadian, even if you don't think she is. Crumbsucker 14:52, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

you who? Pliny 22:07, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

• • I'm not saying that she isn't! I'm saying that she is Portuguese-Canadian. And you are always removing that from the article. --Pedro 23:43, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

translating in her interview:

(JN) Neste álbum, explora sons latinos. É comercialmente mais rentável do que o folclore?

(Nelly) Não, apeteceu-me, simplesmente. Estava no ambiente de Miami e o passo seguinte foi cantar em espanhol. Tenho amigos , como o Juanes, que me encorajaram. Adoro cantar em espanhol. E em português. Por isso chamei Nevis à minha filha. Senti que podia exprimir-me em espanhol e, ainda assim, sentir-me portuguesa.

translation:

(newspaper)In this album, you explore Latin sounds. Is it commercially more profitable than folklore?

(Nelly)No, I just wanted. I was in the Miami "environment" and the next step was to sing in Spanish. I've friends, such as Juanes, who encouraged me. I love to sing in Spanish. And in Portuguese. That's why I named my daughter Nevis. I felt that I could express myself in Spanish and, yet, felling myself as Portuguese.

• The one who is grasping at straws is you, Crumbsucker.---Pedro 10:22, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

not a Portuguese national

After I removed it I noticed the discussion over this. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies), which says ethnicity should not be mentioned in the header of the article. If Furtado has Portuguese citizenship, then I supposed she would be Portuguese by nationality and not just ethnicity, though there's no evidence that she is of Portuguese nationality. Mad Jack 23:18, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Why this silly discussion?

She is Portuguese because Portuguese law gives her Portuguese nationality "Portuguese citizenship is acquired mainly through descent from a Portuguese parent"[...]. "A child born to a Portuguese parent is automatically a Portuguese citizen provided the parent was born in Portugal or is employed by the Portuguese state." (Wikipedia). Canada also has this law for their citizens "Any person born outside Canada from 15 February 1977, who has a Canadian parent at the time of birth, is automatically a Canadian citizen by descent."(Wikipedia). Portugal allows dual citizenship so does Canada. She is Portuguese-Canadian citizen according to the laws of both countries, and it is how it should be in her biography. 89.181.9.157 15:10, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Nelly is Portuguese-Canadian, if you want to say that she is Canadian with Portuguese citizenship , you will accept that we write in the page that she is Portuguese with Canadian citizenship. The nationality was discussed down the page in the ancestry topic. 89.181.94.117 17:09, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

She was born in Canada. She lives in Canada. She did not apply for Portuguese citizenship until fairly recently. Claiming she is Portuguese with Canadian citizenship is just silly. And if you are claiming she is Portuguese-Canadian, this would generally be assumed to reference her ethnicity. See WP:MOSBIO for why this is inappropriate at that point. What problem do you have with the consensus version of this page? --Yamla 17:23, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

So, you are admiting that you know there is a difference in the terminology, good. It is as silly as claming she is a Canadian with Portuguese citizenship. No it is not assumed to reference her ethnicity. You should read WP:MOSBIO: Nationality (In the normal case this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen or national, or was a citizen when the person became notable. Ethnicity should generally not be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability.) "A child born to a Portuguese parent is automatically a Portuguese citizen provided the parent was born in Portugal" Portuguese nationality law. Which part did you not understand? She did not only apply for citizenship she only regularized her papers. She could have done it at age 90. She would be Portuguese all the way. In Canada you have one month to register a child[5], in Portugal for those born abroad there is no time limit to register. I will give you an easy example: I child born in Canada before being registered is not Canadian? (So , all the children that are born in Canada and die before being registered are foreigners). Where did you read she only registered her Portuguese birth certificate at the same time she got her Portuguese passport?

The problem I have with the consensus version: 1. It is not a consensus, not everybody agrees 2. You were given references 3. Citizenship, as you are aware,it is not the same as nationality. And writing she is Canadian with Portuguese nationality would be misleading too. 4. She is no more Canadian than she is Portuguese 5. I can only understand your reasons as being xenophobic.If you have any valid reason please state it. Topodegama 18:15, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Your continued personal attacks have lead to a 24 hour block. You are welcome to resume your discussion once your block expires. Certainly not everyone agrees with the current version but at the moment, it is only you who is arguing that it should be changed to your version. I also do not see where you have explained how your suggested change is better than the current version. The current version clearly states that she holds both nationalities. It is well-cited. It is the version that multiple editors of this article believe is the best. Stating that she is no more Canadian than she is Portuguese is misleading. She was born in Canada and she lives in Canada. I'm not denying that she is also Portuguese, but come on, let's get real here. --Yamla 18:47, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I side with Yamla on this issue. Look at Stéphane Dion for example. He holds French citizenship since his mother was born in France, but you hardly ever hear people mention this (in fact, it is not even mentioned in the opening paragraph of his Wikipedia article). Why? Because Dion was born and bred in Canada and has spent the overwhelming majority of his live here, even though he did live in France for a few years. Similarly, Furtado was born, bred and still lives in Canada - she hasn't even lived in Portugal for any significant period of time. In my opinion, this entire dual citizenship issue is not notable enough to be mentioned in the opening paragraph of a bio. Frankly, the fact that some people hold dual citizenship is just a result of peculiar artifacts in other legal systems. I can bet you that most Wikipedia newbies or readers (who aren't familiar with WP:MOSBIO) are slightly puzzled as to why her Portuguese citizenship is even mentioned in the opening sentence - it does seem a bit out of place. In fact, I think this is one place where we could make an exception to WP:MOSBIO and mention that she has Portuguese "ancestry" instead of "citizenship", because her Portuguese "ancestry" is directly relevant and important to her personal life and career; "citizenship" is less notable and, for that matter, less interesting. Whatever the case, this entire argument is a bit silly because her Portuguese background and influence is mentioned throughout the article. --Jester7777 19:45, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

So, Yamla, the link was a personal attack? How funny. And I thought it was a good critic on your contribution on this page. Here without the external link, just for you: Only me who is arguing? You have been blocking anybody who does not agree with you on this issue. Shameful! And now you want to find a way to make her less Portuguese than Canadian. What a joke: “Stating that she is no more Canadian than she is Portuguese is misleading. She was born in Canada and she lives in Canada.” Where are your sources for such a brilliant comment? You should apply for an award for the silliest entry on wikipedia. ” but come on, let's get real here” this not an acceptable comment from an administrator who also erased information with reliable sources just to get his own way. Now you decide there are different degrees of nationality being the Canadian the top one. Pathetic. And you say it is personal attack if I consider that you have a xenophobic view on this issue because you underestimating one nationality to emphasize the other? Your own! Your neutrality on this issue is something inexistent: “content must be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV), representing fairly and without bias all significant views (that have been published by reliable sources This is non-negotiable and expected on all articles, and of all article editors)” “The other two are Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:No original research”.You not only erased reliable sources that say she is Portuguese-Canadian, you also have no sources whatsoever to claim she is more Canadian than Portuguese, if such a thing ever exists other than in your mind, show the sources, if you can prove it is not your own “original theory”. “The current version clearly states that she holds both nationalities.” What a lie, citizenship is not the same as nationality and even nationality could have a different meaning depending of context, and if what you claim was true , you would not be erasing all the time that she is Portuguese-Canadian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Topodegama (talk • contribs) 17:20, 7 October 2007 (UTC) Jester7777, why I am not surprised? And what a lame example you give! Stéphane Dion ,at least in his wiki biography has one Canadian parent, is a politician in Canada only, with no impact in France has he does not have an international political career. Nelly on the other hand has only Portuguese parents, an international career and a great number of fans in Portugal. Your bets are based on what information? You should read WP:MOSBIO better. “Citizenship is less notable” , “less interesting” for whom? Is this your POV contribution for this discussion? That the Canadian citizenship is more notable than the Portuguese citizenship? Where are your references to say so? The argument is silly ? I also agree, it is also mentioned throughout the article that she lives in Canada, this way there is no need to say she is Canadian in the opening and it is already said she was born in Canada. She is Portuguese-Canadian, either you like it or not, your partial information does not give a a worldwide view. In Portugal and Portuguese speaking world she is known as Portuguese

Here's a link to Rolling Stone's biography of Nelly Furtado: [6] Note that she is listed as Canadian with Portuguese ancestry. Rolling Stone, one of the preeminent music magazines, clearly considers her Canadian. --Yamla 17:25, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm presuming that your request for sources for my claim that she was born in Canada and lives in Canada is rhetorical. The article itself notes that she was born in Canada, for example, and it would be a rather extraordinary claim for you to make that she was not actually born there. --Yamla 17:27, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Also worth noting is that your personal attack calling me xenophobic is curious as I am not a Canadian citizen. I'll note that I am also not a Portuguese citizen, though that's not really important here. --Yamla 17:31, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

.” I'm presuming that your request for sources for my claim that she was born in Canada and lives in Canada is rhetorical.” I am presuming you did not understand a word. Read it again. In case you get it wrong a second time here goes a little help: ««“Stating that she is no more Canadian than she is Portuguese is misleading. She was born in Canada and she lives in Canada.” Where are your sources for such a brilliant comment?»» The sources are for your claim that she is more Canadian than she is Portuguese. The Rollingstone is a better source than the Portuguese-Canadian National CongressPortuguese-Canadian National Congress one of the references you erased from her biography? What a revelation. The GuardianNelly Furtado, Loose is also a bad source for you to have erase it? Maybe you prefer The Times: [7]. I did not call you a xenophobe, read it again. I made reference to your reasons which is something very different. Who cares what is your nationality, this is not about you. Every time you try to diminish that she is Portuguese with your silly arguments you are just diminishing yourself. Topodegama 19:11, 7 October 2007 (UTC) Seems like famous Canadians have a hard time being recognized as "Canadian" on Wiki when it comes to citizenship and nationality, from pamela anderson to jim carrey, Anna paquin, Nelly is no exception. Its clear, She's a Portuguese by blood because her parents both portuguese but she was born in canada and according to her nationality and canadian law she is Canadian Citizen by birth.--Precycartman 19:36, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Portugese notability

I noticed someone changed Canadian to Portuguese Canadian in the lead and it was reverted; I think this should be readdressed. According to MoS:BIO, the lead paragraph should include person's nationality but that "ethnicity should generally not be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability." That she's Portuguese seems relevant to me. Much of her second album was about her ethnicity, including the lead single, and she frequently does collaborations with other Latin artists. ShadowHalo 17:52, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I would like to see more discussion. Her Portuguese ethnicity does seem highly relevant to her music, though there is no metion this is the origin for her initial notability . --Otheus 12:24, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Furtado has performed in several languages/genres and with artists of varying ethnicities, so I don't see your point. Crumbsucker 16:23, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

"So I think I'm being non-subjective here in pointing out that her ethnicity is relevant to her notability." Why? Because you say so? Still have yet to see convincing evidence. Because she sings some Portuguese songs? Big deal. As I said in the talk page, she sings in several languages and genres. But she is primarily a North American/English-based pop/r&b artist, like Beyonce, J.Lo, Christina Aguilera, etc. Crumbsucker 11:40, 1 April 2007 (UTC) Copied from User_Talk:Otheus as agreed by both parties

I was actually basing this on (1) the comments above by Pedro, and the (2) seemlingy frequent addition of her ethnicity in the article by others (example from Netherlands IP user: [8]).

"However, I think your keeping it out of the article is showing the other editors a lack of respect. Yes, you are sticking to the letter of the MoS. However, doing so against the will of other editors is not in the best interests of Wikpedia or of article, in my humble opinion." There are several guidelines on Wikipedia that people don't like (me included). But guess what: when I go against a guideline, I'm usually reverted/edited somewhere down the line. Sure I get pissed sometimes, but I can't go against a guideline just because I don't like it. Yeah, there are some exceptions to rules, but I don't see it here. Crumbsucker 11:40, 1 April 2007 (UTC) Copied from User_Talk:Otheus as agreed by both parties

but I can't go against a guideline just because I don't like it. Actually, you can, if it makes Wikipedia better. See WP:IAR. Obviously, one needs to find a balance between doing what's right according to MoS guideline, and ignoring guidelines in the light of what many editors think to be the case.

So far, you and User:musicpvm are arguing against including ethnicity in the lead. If it's really that important to you, fine. But if several others think she's notable for her ethnicity, will you concede the point? --Otheus 12:23, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Here's part of an article that supports the idea that she's indeed of Portuguese descent, and therefore Portuguese-Canadian: "Nelly Furtado is the daughter of ethnically Portuguese parents. Growing up, Nelly Furtado was musically gifted and began learning trombone and ukulele at the age of 9. She learned keyboards at age 11 and was composing her own songs by 13. In addition to supporting her musical ambitions, Nelly Furtado's parents instilled an ethic of hard work that has served her well. After graduating from high school, Furtado moved to Toronto to pursue her musical dreams." This discussion is getting ridiculous...this should be so simple!!! The questions are "Does she have Canadian nationality?" and "Does she have Portuguese nationality?". If the answer is yes to both, therefore she is Canadian-Portuguese or Portuguese-Canadian (Do we want to have another debate on what should be written first as well?!?) Udonknome 09:06, 29 October 2007 (UTC) SHE CHINESS OKAY!!! GOD!!! BatterBean 20:29, 29 October 2007 (UTC) She is Canadian with Portuguese ancestry... That is it! End of this endless and meaningless discussion! Loreto.

Nelly Furtado and her Attractions (Bisexual?)

Ms Furtado gave an interview (about sexuality) which probably received more coverage than anything else she has done. Truth of statements is adequacy to their object. An article is untrue as far as it does not adequately reflect its object. It would be untrue not to include something about the interview - so people should not edit it out without good reason. Pliny 22:13, 23 July 2006 (UTC) Are you specifically referring to orientation? I've seen cut and paste snippets of an interview in which she alluded to bisexuality (the one which you refer to?), but also subsequent ones equally stating she retracted that. Then again, she might have made more recent comments that might indicate the former is true again (again, just something I've read), but I have yet to see that confirmed first hand. I will say that if the initial interview contained verbatim statements, that should probably be addressed in the main article, even if just to include her subsequent response about statements being taken out of context. In either situation, it should be addressed, either to quash the rumour, or simply state an aspect of her life. 70.107.147.113

Nelly speaks on breastfeeding: AOL blog feature

I guess Nelly Furtado doesn't keep any secrets, such on her publicized views on breastfeeding. Please take a look in the recent AOL blog interview and see if it's appropriate or informative to add on the article. 207.200.116.203 09:55, 29 August 2006 (UTC) [[9]] Probably not noteworthy within a NF article. LongWayDown 06:45, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Personal life section

NELLY IS GETTING MARRIEDDDDD....NO LIE!! IM SOOO HAPPY 4 HER!!!!!!!! Someone is insisting remove Personal life section much more detailed about her son and the father. I ask for consider the nature and relevance of the information before call other contributors simply "vandals".

First of all, Nevis is her daughter, not her son. Second, the Folklore section of the article goes into detail about the birth of her daughter and Nevis' father so the "Personal life" section is not only factually incorrect but also redundant. --musicpvm 20:18, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Personal life is more detailed information, said about who is the father people that read Wikipedia maybe want to know this. And this is information afterall.

Have you even read the Folklore section of the article? It goes into MUCH more detail about her daughter and ex-boyfriend than your one-sentence "Personal life" section does. --musicpvm 16:49, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

WON AND NOMINATED FOR JUNO AWARDS IN 2004

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juno_Awards_of_2004 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jw21 (talk • contribs)

Thanks, I've added them to the table. --musicpvm 01:37, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Style and NPOV?

Does it seem to anybody else that at the moment this article reads more like page from a fawning fan site than a serious encyclopedia page? Or is it just me? It seems to employ a lot of loaded language, using terms like "artistry" to refer to the subject's work, instead of simply letting the facts speak for themselves. It also only seems to feature the most glowing reviews. What about stinkers, like this one: [10] Surely that would make for a more balanced article? Pathlessdesert 13:28, 6 September 2006 (UTC) before you start talking you should check on portugals history.. portugal and spain where taken over by Arabian's 1000 years ago..meaning Portuguese and Spanish where mix with Arabian blood..so you cant just claim there white because there from Europe ..theres black portuguese too are they white cuss there from Europe ..no ! i am portuguese too and i say im latino or lusino .. i dont consider myself as white because of are history ..and im dark skin all around since birth ..most people think im from south America but im not.. sorry for the spelling —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.139.167 (talk) 05:31, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Nelly Furtado Already Stated That She Is Latina Several Times

I removed the category Canadian blue-eyed soul singers . Furtado is a Latina Canadian Portuguese woman and is embraced as a Latina in the community. She has stated she is Latina several times and should be respected. She also wrote the song 'Powerless' a few years ago in which her lyrics cite how some magazines choose to erase her ethnicity by making her seem white when she in fact takes great pride in her ethnicity. Only Caucasians are categorized under the blue-eyed soul umbrella, not people of color. Personally, I see no reason for a blue-eyed soul category. If a person of color does rock music or heavy metal no one uses terms like dark-eyed metal or rock. A musician is a musian regardless of the genre of music they choose to do. Someone has already added Furtado to the Canadian rhythm and blues singers category. That is much more repectful to her as an artist and person who takes pride in her family heritage. A couple of links of examples of Furtado talking about being Latina: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xakILb0XD6g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYXQnJCvog4 Tari 09:30, 3 November 2006 (UTC) Your comments are pathetic. Nelly Furtado is Latina because her parents are Portuguese, and Portugal is a Latin country. Who does Latin mean? It means a country where a language of Latin roots is spoken. Don't you know what was the Latin language?? The Latin language was a language spoken by the Romans. Many Europeans languages have roots in this Roman language, such as Portuguese, Spanish, French, Italian and Romenian. Latino has nothing to do with race, ethnicity or skin color. It only has to do with people who speak a language with roots in the old Latin Roman language. That's why the term Latin American exists. It's because they speak languages with roots in the old Latin (Spanish and Portuguese) The Portuguese people are Caucasians, since they are European. The French are Latinos and also Caucasians. The Spaniards are Latinos but also Caucasians, etc. Since Nelly Furtado is of Portuguese heritage, she is a White person. She has nothing to do with people of color as you are trying to pass her. Nelly is a 100% European Canadian-born. Opinoso 22:07, 13 February 2007 (UTC) It's not sensible to equate "pathetic" to what others say when you obviously have no definite facts about Nelly or every detail concerning her family background and forefathers. She does. Portugal does have generations of Portuguese people whose background just so happens to be Hispanic or black or white etc., even a combo. America & France do too. Portugual's not the exception. Do a search on youtube for Nelly Furtado interviews and you'll see that she does not refer to herself as ethnically wholly white. She's believable look wise too. Correct or not it's not uncommon at all for some Latinos and non-Latinos alike to describe a Latino person as generally not white. Obviously when Nelly said she's Latina she was not trying to say she's ethnically wholly white. In fact some people saw her on the pre Grammys 2007 show saying, "I'm Hispanic ...I'm Portuguese." and she did not mean white. She's an Hispanic person who is also proud to be of Portuguese heritage. Just like an Hispanic person who's proud to be American. I don't know why it should even matter that she doesn't consider herself white. Portugal and the rest of Europe is home to people of different races. A European person is someone who was born and usually raised in Europe. Tari 03:36, 16 February 2007 (UTC) My cousin has family from the Carribean. They're Jamaican. Does that mean they must must be black? No not necessarily. They just happen to be ethnically white but just like other Jamaicans their culture and nationality is Jamaican. Their style, the food they like, the music they like. It's their life and it's real life. Nelly Furtado never said she is Hispanic. Why sould she be? Nelly has nothing to do with Spain or Latin America. She was born in Canada to Portuguese parents. Neither Canada or Portugal are Hispanic countries. Are you insane or something? Nelly Furtado is White, because she is ethnically Portuguese. She doesn't have foreign elements in her family tree. All her family is from the Azorean Islands, in Portugal. Nelly Furtado never said she doesn't consider herself White, because it is obvious that she is White, since her parents are from Europe. Are you expecting that she should be a blond pale lady? Southern Europeans are not blonds. They are dark-haired people. Go to Portugal and you will find lots of Nelly Furtados there. And please, study Geography and European History beforing saying the Portuguese are Hispanic. I am laghing at you! Opinoso 18:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC) Maybe you should take a moment from laughing and saying things you pretend to know because you're coming across as ignorant or foolish. Don't tell me about Portugal or which ethnicity you think a Portuguese person can only be. Believe me, you have NO idea about mine. Also, you can find generations of people with the Furtado name in Brazil and certain parts of India as well as other countries. You are not Nelly and you are not apart of the Furtado family so you cannot profess to know every detail of the Furtado family's roots. YES Nelly Furtado DID say on the Grammys show that she is Hispanic and Portuguese. NO Nelly obviously doesn't consider herself to be wholly white. Scores of people do not find that she looks only white no matter what you want. If she did look only white, you and some others wouldn't need to tell people she is. In fact no one would be questioning it if she actually did only looked white. http://youtube.com/watch?v=JDrx-VKIP-k <<Proof of Nelly not considering herself to be wholly white. Other aware websites - Read /watch these if you can deal with it without feeling upset: http://www.soundgenerator.com/news/showarticle.cfm?articleid=7946 http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/artist/gdxm/ http://www.latinola.com/story.php?story=2979 http://youtube.com/watch?v=xakILb0XD6g Of course Canada - like France - is not called an Hispanic country but COME ON it doesn't have to be an 'Hispanic country' in order for it to be home to generations of Canadians of different ethnicities, including Hispanics. It is a multicultural country. The first peoples to inhabit Canada were the Native Indians. Tari 10:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC) Nelly Furtado would NEVER SAY SHE IS HISPANIC because she was born in Canada to Portuguese parents and neither Canada or Portugal are conected to Spain. It is the same to an American person of German descent to say he is Hispanic. I am laghing at you, again! Nelly Furtado's parents emmigrated from the Azorean Portuguese islands to Canada in the 1960's. On that time, there were almost NO IMMIGRANTS in Portugal. 99.9% of Portugal's population was of Portuguese ancestry. Nowadays, Portugal is still an homogenous country, with only 5% of its population being immigrants, most of them from Africa, Brazil and Eastern Europe. Most of them arrived in the late 1990's Historically, it is IMPOSSIBLE for Nelly Furtado to have non-Portuguese elements in her family, since when her parents were born in the 1950's there were NO IMMIGRANTS in Portugal. And her family comes from the Azorean islands, a poor far away island, where nobody wanted to settled, so, there were no immigrants there, just native Portuguese. The Portuguese are a Mediterranen people. They don't have blond hair. They have dark hair and almost tanned skin. Nelly Furtado is no exception and looks completly Portuguese. The Portuguese are a combination of pre-historical Iberians (dark-haired people) with Celts (dark haired people), with some Roman influence (dark haired people), Moorish influence (Arab dark-haired people) and Germanic (blond haired people). That's why the Porguese look darker than Northern Europeans, which are of Germanic ancestry. It has nothing to do with non-white blood. The Portuguese are Whites, Mediterrean, dark-haired and tanned Whites. Nelly Furtado is far away from being Hispanic. She would never say she is Hispanic, since she is pride of being Canadian of Portuguese ancestry. If she said she is Hispanic, she was only trying to sell cd's in Latin America, since she is singing in Spanish now. You should go to Europe and see that most of them have dark hair and dark eyes. You should travel more, my friend... Opinoso 20:40, 17 February 2007 (UTC) You should learn more history but you're too busy laughing. Pay attention - I didn't say things such as Canada is connected to Spain. When people emigrate to a country they can have kids, grand kids, great grand kids who will be of that country's nationality. Emigration from different countries makes the destined country multi ethnic. As for Nelly, she said she's Hispanic, Portuguese and I have no reason to doubt her. Send an email to whomever is affliated with the Grammys and get them to send a copy of her saying it, if you must. Whether people like it or not, not all Portuguese are homogeneously white and so WHAT. I took interest in Portuguese history partly cause it's part of my heritage. My family's multi ethnic of multi nationalities cause of immigration, possibly since before my Portuguese great grandparents. Hispania was a country that included present day Portugal and Spain. The Romans named it Hispania (of Iberian peninsula) when they ruled it for many centuries. So Portugal definately has a connection to Spain since they were one and the same country once. Much later in time Spain ruled Portugal before it became totally independent. After the Romans, the Germanic tribes became the rulers of Hispania. After the Germanics, the Moors emigrated and became Hispania's rulers. The Moors were African Arabs. Moor comes from the word mauros which literally means "black" or "dark". they were named Moors cause they were mainly of a dark skin complexion. Tari 11:27, 18 February 2007 (UTC) I want you to proove that Nelly said she is Hispanic. Maybe she was drunk when she said that, but I wont belive it 'till you proove it! Portugal has nothing to do with Spain. They were the same thing 1 hundred years ago. Portugal was the first country to exist in the world, much before Spain. And Nelly is 100% Portuguese because her parents are Portuguese. Her family is not living in Canada for hundred years for her to be mixed. And the moors weren't dark skinned, they were mainly Berbers, and the Berber are not dark skinned. Take a look at soccer player Zidane, he is berber and is far from being dark skinned. Opinoso 20:57, 18 February 2007 (UTC) I'm not going to spend my money to get a taping of Nelly saying she's Hispanic, Portuguese as proof for you. You go ahead and do that. Request it from whomever produced the pre Grammys show or ask around for it somewhere. I put links of Nelly with the obviously implying she's not totally white and also of her explicitly saying she's not totally white. Those are something. A couple links may have been removed cause of Viacom's seeming monopoly on copyrights.

People don't have to emigrate to another country or Canada first for it to be possible to have an ethnically diverse family. Droves of people from a different ethnicity don't have to enter their country to make the family multi ethnic either, it can happen by just one immigrant having kids with them. Maybe through their great grand parent. Or because of immigration of people to their country further back in history. Some peoples' don't look ethnically mixed meanwhile their brother or sister does. Yes the Moors who migrated to Hispania (Portugal & Spain etc,) were mainly dark skin African peoples. I already told you they were given the name "Moor" then because of their complexions, They most likely were of varied dark complexions but maybe just not as varied as the people in modern times. Being light or dark brown, white, tan, bronze whatever shouldn't be made a negative issue anyhow. Some people talk the talk. But if you attempt to even suggest a biological or physical, historical or cultural association of them or other peoples to whom they see as 'different', you sometimes see how offended they really get or how superior they think they or others are over other peoples. Anyway I like that Nelly seems to be void of that prejudice nature. The world needs people to be void of prejudice like her. Tari 05:05, 19 February 2007 (UTC) What is so non-Whit about Nelly Furtado? She looks totally Portuguese. She has dark straight hair, light tanned skin, small lips and nose and even blue eyes. There's nothing non-White about her. Opinoso 19:22, 20 February 2007 (UTC) If you're uncomfortable with Nelly Furtado not relating to being totally white like you want her to you're going to have to write to her and take it up with her. All I know is that LOTS of people see her as a person of some mixtures. Some people already see her as rather exotic Hispanic looking. I think if she wanted to play the part of a part Indian girl or a part Aboriginal girl, she could without needing much make-up work as someone else would. Having straight hair, light skin, small lips and nose and even light eyes are not just a white person thing. Many or most of East Indians, Hispanics, some non-white Africans(Ethiopian, Moroccan etc.) and of course some bi-racial or multi-racial people have these features too. Lynda Carter, star of the Wonder Woman re-run is part Mexican and part white. Nicole Richie is multiracial. Lisa Ray is a part Indian woman with light eyes. Sharbat Gula is a green eyed south Asian person who is one of National Geographic's most famous cover person>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharbat_Gula Raquel Welch is part Hispanic(Bolivian) and part white. So having a broad nose, fuller lips and all you said is not the defining factor in determining that someone's not white or not totally white. You don't need your stereotypical view so throw it out. Tari 18:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC) We are not talking about Hispanic, Indians or Multiracial people. Nelly Furtado's ancestry is 100% Portuguese. If she could pass for part Indian, half Alien or half dog it is not the case! The thing is that she is Portuguese and she looks totally Portuguese! She wouldn't be out of place walking in the streets of Lisbon in a sunny day. Nobody would see the difference between her and the other Portuguese. Then, you ask me: If Furtado looks completly Portuguese, so are the Portuguese Whites (Caucasians)??? Well, the Portuguese are a Mediterranean people. Most of them don't have blue eyes or blond hair. So, if Nelly doesn't look White to you, so 90% of the Portuguese are not Whites to you. And, are the Portuguese Whites? YES, THEY ARE! Genetic studies showed that the Portuguese are enterily Europeans. The only non-European blood in them are the one from the Moors, but they are less than 5%. The Portuguese are as Whites and the Scandinavians. So, is Furtado White? Yes, she is! Opinoso 16:13, 22 February 2007 (UTC) You don't know her complete ancestry as she does. Anyway she still wouldn't look out of place walking around in South America, Latin America. To some people especially in North America, some Portuguese people look really Hispanic. Then there are those who look classic white. In the end it doesn't matter what you or anybody wants Nelly to be. What's important is how she feels, what she knows herself to be and what she's experienced and what and whom makes her happy. She's not hurting anyone except those who have an unneccessary intolerance or bigotry. Portuguese don't all think as you do, that's a fact. Like I said, so what if somebody isn't totally white or doesn't look white to everyone? What if someone just isn't white at all? it doesn't make them any less or more of a human being. I've said about everything on this topic now.... Tari 12:09, 23 February 2007 (UTC) Of course she wouldn't be out of place in South America, since there are many Portuguese people in Brazil. Don't you know that Argentina and Uruguay are over 90% White countries? They have a much higher porcentage of Whites than the Unites States, which is only 70% White. You should study more about South America's ethnic composition, beforing saying pathetic things here, my friend... Since when Hispanic is an ethinic group? Hispanic is a cultural/languistic term, it has NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE. Hispanic is a person who speaks the Spanish language as a native language, no matter what race that person is. I don't care if some Americans see some Portuguese as non-Whites. The fact is that they are Whites. Portugal is an European country and, of course, is much more European that the United States will ever be. And Nelly Furtado never said she has non-White ancestors. She always said she is proud if being Portuguese and is always travelling to Portugal. She has a house in the Azores. Is she looks Hispanic for you, than she is White, because a Hispanic can be White, since all Spaniards and most Argentineans and Uruguayns are Whites, and they are also Hispanics. Opinoso 00:16, 24 February 2007 (UTC) Once AGAIN if you PAID attention to what I typed you would know I was not referring to white Hispanics when I said Nelly would not look out of place. You would also notice that I put NELLY said she is NOT totally white. When she refers to herself as Latina or Latin she specifically MEANS non-white latins. All you had to do is CLICK a link like this one http://youtube.com/watch?v=JDrx-VKIP-k to know what she said. Everyone, maybe including you too would clearly tell she is NOT referring to white latinos or Hispanics.... and SO freaking WHAT? It's Nelly's life and family. Not yours. We've gone on long enough about this and it's been clear that you're in denial of what Furtado said and in denial that to many people she does NOT look totally white. Whatever- it's made her beautiful like other exotic beauties. Don't forget she's also a CANADIAN so wrestle with that if you want to too. I'm getting off this merry-go-round. Tari 03:18, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

• Yes Nelly did say she is "Hispanic" but that does not mean she isn't white. The fact is that she is Portuguese and therefor white. If you want to say that a Portuguese person isn't white, then an Italian isn't white either. and greeks are not white and French are not white. But all of those countries are white countries. And FYI. The Portuguese were the ones who used Africans as slaves first. they represent all that was colonial Europe. They ARE WHITE! NELLY IS WHITE and therefor must be added to the bue-eyed soul singer list.

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BECAUSE SHE'S Portuguese she must be white?! Not according to Nelly Furtado or people like me who aren't ignorant sheeps. Some of us who are of Portuguese heritage have the same type look as Nelly and we don't try to act like we are pure white because we know we are not. We are proud of our ethnic look and don't try to please the bigots. The truth is that a good number of us of Portuguese or Italian or Spanish heritage have African blood which gave some color and physical traits. So all the bigots should stop trying to convince everyone that every Portuguese person is white thru and thru. KKK won't be recruiting most Latins anytime soon, thank God.

Using people for slavery is also part of the Portuguese history. More reasons to stop being ignorant is because races have already merged in our blood since numerous people of Portuguese heritage do have African blood by way of black African conquerors of Europe. Signed SheepsRnotUs.Faqs Europe never had black African conquerors. I think you must study Europe's History before posting here. Native Portuguese are Whites because thei descend from Caucasian peoples. Black African genes in Portuguese are insignificant. Nelly Furtado ancestors were Portuguese, so she is White. Opinoso 20:07, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

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Don't tell me what I can or can not post here. I'll say what I want like anyone else here can. I'm of Portuguese ancestry too and just like Nelly I also know every Portuguese person is N-O-T made up of or even looks of just white ancestry. With the risk of seeming too full of pride I'll say some of us get our added beauty from the mix within our blood. It's like that for many Europeans too no matter how much they or you are programmed to believe it's not a good thing to think that or to know that. The mirror doesn't always lie either especially after having just a bit of the beautiful sunshine. The point is that we of Portuguese heritage don't have to uphold ignorant people's denial of Portugal's and Europe's past that we mixed with people who aren't white which is why some of us have the features we have today. That means no, all of us are not pure white therefore we all are not white. We're proud of our ethnicity so nobody should tell us how to describe ourselves just so we don't offend some people. Racism is obviously still alive. That's why some people want to erase what's part of Europe's history or don't want to believe it. Now for the important issue at hand than how you wish people of Portuguese ancestry to describe ourself..... that is do something good for the earth on Earth Day and everyday. HAPPY EARTH DAY TO ALL! Signed, SheepsRnotUs.Faqs

Hey guys! Are you sure you understand the meaning of the word Hispanic? Hispanics are people from the Iberian Peninsula... Do you know Roman Hispania? Does that ring a bell? Nelly's nationality is Canadian. And she probably has double nationality, since her parents are both Portuguese nationals. And she frequently visited her family in the Azores every summer. She is Canadian, Portuguese, Hispanic, and Latina (why not?). Her skin colour has its origin in Portuguese ancestors, and may (ou may not) be related to a non-caucasian ancestor. Portuguese people were known for their tendency for mixing with other ethnicities: Indian, Asian, Native American and African people. Who knows? And who cares!... Joaopais 01:39, 25 April 2007 (UTC) This is ridiculous. Portugal existed before the erroneous term "Latino" was invented. The Portuguese are a Southern European people with white skin and hair ranging from black to blonde, but mostly dark brown. Eye colour ranges from blue to green or black, also most commonly dark brown. The Portuguese are a Caucasian people with genetical influence from many Iberian tribes, Germanic tribes, the Greeks, Arabs and other North African people. Nowadays Portuguese society is multi-racial but that doesn't mean the Portuguese are black or asian. The Portuguese speak Portuguese, a language very close to Spanish, and yet independent. When Nelly says she's Hispanic (a cultural label like Latino) she can say so because she is culturally close to the Spanish, but ethnically she is White. Sure beautifully tanned but so what? Are all black people the same colour? No. Why should all white pople look like the Swedes?

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Spaniards and Portuguese is not a race. It's a nationality. That logic should tell anyone that people who have European latin root don't come in just one color or physical feature. That is why what's ridiculous and stuck up are people who try to convince people to see Nelly Furtado differently from how she sees herself which is that she doesn't consider herself to be white. I can see that too.

What's also annoying is people who think if you are of latin descent and you describe your skin color as light brown skin instead of olive skin it means you are somehow downgrading yourself. I don't know if Nelly describes herself as olive skin but most Latin Americans or African Americans or American Indians who have the same skin color as Nelly don't go around saying "I have OLIVE skin" as if to call themselves brown skinned would be downgrading and offending themselves. Racism comes in all disguises. I don't expect the stuck up close minded person to comprehend that not all Portuguese or Spaniards are white. Joaopais and other people made a lot of sense on this topic. I can't say that for anybody with the same view as the nameless person directly above me.Faqs

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I honestly think that the person who claims to be POrtuguese who says that they aren't white isnt really Portuguese. The fact is that DNA test have shown that the Portugues, even though they are the darkest European group, are no different to any other European group. The fact is that physical appearance does not determine your race. Its all in you DNA. Nelly would never call herself white because it is a fact that is isnt cool to be white in America. She would lose fans. The absolute fact is that Nelly Futrtado. Who does obviously have a fake orange tan is a white woman. No matter what she or anyone says can change that. And the word Latin is used totally out of context today because the Italians are the original Latin people. If you want to call a Spaniard latin then the french are latin too. Do you know that Spain has a Larger population of blondes that Brittain?

The Portuguese do not have "black" blood for the person who said that. The fact is that North Africans were white and only started mixing with blacks recently. If you go to Egypt or Morroco you can still find some white people, even blondes. Another thing is that every1 in spain who mixed with the Moors were labeled Gypsies and even today live in gypsy corners just like anywhere else in Europe, the non-whites are called Gypsies and were opressed and had little rights. As I have said. read the Article on "White People" here on wikipedia if you are not educated. ALL EUROPEANS NATIONS ARE WHITE! Any non-whites moved there in recent times, after Nelly's parents left Portugal. WHITE = Nelly Furtado. It's a fact.

• I find it rediculous that that Amy Winehouse, a jew, is on that list and some people have a problem with Nelly furtado being on the blue-eyed soul list. Do you know that in jews were killed and chased out of Portugal because they are not white.

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• I saw that interview she said she was ethnically Portuguese, and that she had olive skin colour and she was between a white and Latin skin colour (in North American idea, Latino is a mixed raced, it is not our interpretation which is a country with Roman-based culture), but she never aid she had African ancestors, she said that she was ethnically Portuguese! And Portuguese are not mixed-raced, is an 100% Mediterranean people (like the Spanish, the French and the Italians), with influences from the Northern Europe and North Africa. Olive skin colour is a natural colour is many Portuguese, it has anything to do with black people or in between. it is very improbable that an Azorean would be mixed with Africans, if she was from Madeira islands that would be more probable. She also said in another interview that she felt different like a Chinese in Canada. it is the culture of Canada (like in some other countries), which is as we know artificially tolerant, but as we see even between whites they make this kind of distinctions. While in Portugal olive skin colour is seen as 100% white and 100% European.--Pedro 02:02, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

You can only speak for some people not everyone. Portugal is not 100% white. So what. I saw the Nelly Furtado interview too. She added she stood out growing up because she doesn't look completely white or completely Latin. She knows the difference between someone who looks like white and someone who doesn't, she's an intelligent person. She wasn't doing an interpretation. She doesn't see herself as wholly white. She spoke on other shows of feeling at home in Miami (home to many Hispanics who also have a mixtures look) because she was with people who culturally or physically looked like her. Some Portuguese have a mix to their look and some Portuguese are white. Everyone doesn't look the same way in Portugal because it's not 100% white. Who cares. People migrated and immigrated throughout centuries whether it be to or from Brazil, India, Africa, Spain etc. There are people in India and Brazil and other places with the Furtado last name too.Tari 05:25, 18 May 2007 (UTC) 8 It seem as if "Tari" and others are still confused by the misconceptions of American media. Just because Nelly Furtado felt "out" in Canada does not make her non-white. I am sure Greeks and Italians would feel the same. And I am also sure American media and her last name being also found in Latin Americans contributed to people not knowing if she is white or not. The bottom line is that Nelly is 100% Portuguese and you can argue as long as you want but you cannot change the fact the the Portuguese are a "white" race. It seems to me that North Americans are very ignorant to the Spanish and Portuguese cultures and people because they faught the Spanish (who are white duh) for America. This is proven by the fact that an Italian who looks 200% darker than Nelly Furtado is seen as white and here you are questioning weather Nelly is, It's rediculous. There are many white people in Latin America too. But Nelly's Parents are European. What more do you want? Every1 in Europe, Australia, and everywhere see the Portuguese as white so why would you doubt that. DNA tests have proven that the Portuguese are white. It's a fact. Nelly Furtado is just a dark-skinned white woman. with Blue eyes. You can find people who look like Nelly from Portugal to Sweden. White people are the most diverse looking race. Take Penelope Cruz. She white and Spanish. In European movies she often plays the sister of blonde girls. No1 here doubts that she is white. It's american double standards. Italians, Frech, Greeks, Lebanese, Even Iranians can be dark haired and be seen as white but if u have dark hair and your from Spain or portugal, suddenly your not. It's rediculous. This is an encyclopedia. There is no space for bias oppinions. just facts. And the fact is that the Portuguese are white. Finished! Please go rent "Todo Sobre Mi Madre" a spanish movie, so you can see what people from Spain look like. Or whatever Portuguese movie you can find so you can be educated on what the potuguese look like. ^^ ^^ Sign with a username. It's great for separation of user's posts too.^^ ^^ I don't rely on movies to show me the whole picture. They don't necessarily show the whole picture of a countries full physical make up. Portuguese, as I said much earlier, is part of my family ancestry. Communicating with real people, looking in magazines and seeing which type look person gets to host or anchor television shows is what has told me that certain segments of a population are often under represented. Example, Mexicans that can't easily be made to look close enough to 'white' are under represented in Mexican media. Another thing, you cannot make people swallow your view on how to see themselves, that includes Furtado who said she sees herself as "not completely white", just like how many people see her too. You're not the one who walked in her or other peoples' shoes and know their own history the way they know of themselves so you cannot project your view on how others should feel about themselves. I like the unpredjudice nature of my family and others' family because no one deeply ponders getting involved with and having kids with someone ignorants see as too far away from the rest of the family's skin color and look. We rather see the heart of the person, not the striking difference in color ignorants see. Families like mine can TRULY say that we are not prejudice because of our actions.Tari 08:48, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, Irish and Germans were once not considered whites in the US. The fact is that NAmericans make a lot of confusion with race and ethnics. The only completely whites are the albinos, all the rest have some degree of pigmentation and can have their skin darkened many shades with sun tanning. Many Mexicans are more native Americans than white, something they should be proud of.

Nelly Furtado is white because in Europe not everybody lives in the neversunny always cloudy lands up north. And to survive in hot countries like southern European countries, and not die of skin cancer, the native people had to adapt and produce a bit more of melanin. For the discussion, Nelly is white of European descent. There are many Europeans with her white skin color type. The same way there are many types of blonde hair. Northen Europeans are very mixed with Sami and one study says 95.6% of Saami mtDNA originated in the Iberia refugia (Portugal and Spain). Also recent genetic studies say that the British and Irish Celtic ancestors originated in Iberia (Portugal and Spain)[11]. The "conclusion" is that there no whites in Europe, because they are all descents of Portuguese and Spanish People. This would mean most Europeans are Hispanic and Latino most having dark hair. In the end, the experts say humans came from Africa. My friend,your NAmerican notion of "white" "Latino" and "Hispanico" is different from an European, so this discussion will lead nowhere but to a great nonsense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.181.7.241 (talk • contribs)

True this discussion will lead to nowhere since people who feel the way I do and people who feel the way you do will likely continue to see same things differently. Your statement about (white)Irish and Germans were once not considered white in the U.S emphasizes my point that it's really been in the eye of the beholder of how people see someone or themselves. South Asian people were considered to be white at one time but when they wanted to migrate to the U.S, U.S decided that South Asians weren't white after all. In Australia, Italians are not considered to be white because just like South Asians and middle Easterners and alot of multiracial people, alot of Latin people are rich in melanin therefore they don't have a pale skin color. Unfortunately the racist morons have a derogatory name for Italians in Australia. Because some peoples come from Europe doesn't make them pure white. Why? Again, people did not just begin to seek new lands and intermix with people of different cultures 100 years ago. That was already in effect centuries before. People you would never dream to have multiple ancestry have traced theirs just 4 or 5 generations back. Genes might be too recessive to show up in every member of a family but it could still show up in a few family members or a couple generations down the line. When people see Naomi Campbell they probably see a Brit of African descent but she is also of Chinese descent. If people saw comedian Andrew Kennedy they'd probably see a white person with light brown hair; his hair is not light brown because he wanted to lessen any ethnic look he might have. He proudly shares that he is a multi ethnic person whose mother is hispanic(mestizo) and whose grandmother is black. He also shared that though he and his siblings share the same parents they look nothing alike and that his family is harmonious. To end I'll just say that we all may not see things the same but I wish people didn't feel offended just because some people are seen as sharing a bit physically or socially with so called 'different' people.Tari 18:16, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I do not know why this Tari's obssesion with saying Nelly Furtado is Latina and not White.

First of all: She is not Latina because she was born in Canada, which is not a Latin country. Her origins may be Latin, because her parents are from Portugal, and they speak Portuguese there (a Latin-descended language), which makes her origin Latin.

If you are using the term Latina to refer to a race, then you are just making a mistake, because Latino is not a race, but a linguistic term.

About Furtado's race, she is White: has straight dark hair, blue eyes and Caucasian features. There's nothing non-White about her. Her skin in typical from Mediterranean populations (Portuguese, Spaniards, Southern Italians and Greeks). As the other user sayed, Southern Europeans have "darker" skin compare to Northern Europeans because Southern Europe has a Mediterranean weather (not very cold in Winter, and hot in Summer).

Over 10.000 years ago, ALL EUROPEANS WERE DARK-HAIRED, but in the cold Scandinavian regions started to sperear more pale people with light hair. As they could resist more to cold weather, they started to predominate in these regions. With internal migrations, these blond (called Germanic) peoples started migrated to other regions, like Germany or England. In the other hand, Southern Europe was hotter, and their population keep with dark hair.

As Portugal did not received large amounts of Germanic migrants, their population has almost the same feature of the Iberians, who may be living in Portugal for at least 4 thousand years.

Portuguese dark eyes and hair has nothing to do with "non-White" admixture. They are descendants of dark-haired indigenous populations. You should study European History before coming with comments.Opinoso 23:37, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Opinoso, you and I already discussed this, we went around in circles enough times. We don't see eye to eye so let it go with me. People are not obligated to have the same perpective as you. They are entitled to label themselves as they see themselves and per their own knowledge of themselves without your consent. You see Furtado as pure white, I don't, many others don't either and Furtado doesn't either, big deal, who cares. It's in the eye of the beholder. I've learned my history already so please stop telling me to go and study. You know where I stand, I already know where you stand and you should know by now where Furtado stands via the website links I gave you where she refers to herself as a Latina who is a Hispanic, Portuguese Canadian and NOT pure white. There's no need to discuss this further with you. We won't change each other's mind and we will not agree, I accept that, so can you.Tari 12:50, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Why should Nelly say in an interview she is "Pure White"? Only an idiot would say that. If she sayed she is Latina, then she is correct, because her origin are Latins (Portuguese). But if she sayed she is Hispanic, she was just trying to sell more cd's in Hispanic America, because neither Canada or Portugal are Hispanic. It is the same to say that France and England are the same, just because both countries are close to each other.

Being Hispanic does not mean being "Non-White". Spaniards, Argentineans and Uruguayans are all Hispanics, but most of them are of Caucasian race. Again, Nelly was just trying to get more Hispanic fans, as she did with you. Singging Hip-Hop songs does not make her Black either. She has been acting in movies from India in the past, and it does not make her Indian either. Nelly sings Brazilian songs in her concerts, and it does not make her a Brazilian either.

Her interest in different cultures does not make her part of them. Tari, you are just trying to claim Furtado as Hispanic because she is a success. If she were a murder I doubt you would be here claiminh her as Hispanic. Give it up, she is Canadian. She is Portuguese. Nothing to do with Hispanics. You know nothing about Portuguese people. Most of them deslike Spain and would never make part of a "Hispanic World". Give it up. Opinoso 17:09, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

In my previous posts I already repeatedly addressed everything you again mentioned, and added links. I'll believe what I heard Furtado say and the Portugal history I learned, and my eyes. Just Accept that you and I Disagree. Furtado also said "Miami is a very alive city. I love the people, I love the Latin heritage, especially the fact that there are so many second- and third-generation families. It creates a really unique culture and society that doesn't exist elsewhere," she says. "It feels like its own country, its own nation. I felt comfortable in my own skin because I am Hispanic." quoted in this link: http://www.hometownglenburnie.com/vault/cgi-bin/gazette/view/2007G/06/02-33.HTMTari 12:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Do you belive anything you read?Opinoso 00:15, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

This discussion again? Latina is a person with a Latin language as a mother tongue, in Portuguese. In English it has a different meaning. As we are using the English language, no she is not Latina in the USA sense, but in the linguistic sense. Unless you also want to use the other meaning of Latins?? She does not descend from the Latin tribe! And for being Hispanic, the correct word in English is Hipano-Roman for ancestry. Hispania was a Roman province and later a geographic location. If we are going to use an Historical name to call Nelly we can choose from many names: Celtici, Buri, Conii , Visigoth, Lusitanian, Al-Andaluzian, Grovii, Bracari, Hasdingi ......If it is about history(ancestry), well, we can say she is a Goth, we would be right, she has Visigoth ancestry. I am sure everybody will understand it and totally agree she is a Goth and belongs to the Goth subculture because of her ancestry. In English language, Hispanic [[12]] does not refer to Portuguese people or their ancestors. Also, in English, Latino [[13]] has nothing to do with Portuguese people (you can argue with the dictionary of course). It is all about semantic change not ancestry or history!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.181.13.11 (talk) 17:09, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Once again, if you stayed focused you would know that I said I HEARD her call herself a Hispanic and Latina as as well as Portuguese Canadian. She's entitled to those descriptions, she's not wrong. I agree with her and so do other people. Why should she or anyone have to glue themselves to your rigid rules. Man given and changed the labels and rules they gave people for decades. As I said before I have Portuguese ancestry therefore I consider myself of Hispanic ancestry whether you like it or not. I've seen Italians, Spaniards and Portuguese etc who look Mestizo or like some East Indians and I've seen Native Indians and Biracial people who look white but man assigned them different races anyway. If the people I just described were a missing person I would describe them by how my eyes see them so they can be found faster, not by a label some man slapped on them. This is just my point of view, you don't have to go by it nor do I have to go by yours. Please grasp that it's futile for you to try to get me to change my point of view.Tari 19:50, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Tari, you do not have Portuguese ancestry, do not know about Portugal and its culture. Nobody in Portugal considers himself to be Hispanic or part of Latin America as you are trying to sell. Most Portuguese are connected only to Brazil. The rest of Latin America has nothing to do with Portugal; it was not even colonized by Portugal. It is obvious you have never step your foot in Portugal and probably do not know any word in Portuguese.

Your comments are non-sense. Nobody who is Native American can look White. Native Americans are of Asian (Mongolian) ancestry. They are not realated to Europe. Of course bi-racial people can look White. You show that you know nothing about genetics: only a small part of a person's genes intervenes with the appearance. If the White genes intervenes more, the person can look White.

How can an European look Mestizo? It shows you have never been even close to Europe and maybe do not even know where Europe is located. Amerindians never went to Europe (only some, in the beggining of the colonization). Their contribution to European people is 0%.

If Nelly Furtado sayed she is Hispanic, that does not make her non-White. She is interested in Spanish language, has many fans in Latin America and Spain and her boyfried is from Cuba. She can be cnnected to Hispanic culture as a Swedish man can be connected to Black African culture. She just like it.

Portugal is an European country. Nelly is of Portuguese origin. Her parents are from the Azores, far from Spain or any Latin American country. She is White, Caucasian, Latin European. Nothing to do with the Hispanic world.

Tari, I know your point: you look non-White; probably has distant Portuguese ancestry (if any) mixed with Amerindian or anything similar. But you want to fit in Europe, and claims Portuguese are not Whites just to try to "pass as Portuguese or European".

Accept as you are, man. Give it up. Opinoso 23:52, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Don't you realize I will stand by what I said and by what history I learned and by what my eyes see no matter what you say. It's not a problem for me if you don't believe what I believe so allow me to believe what I want too. I have a correction to make concerning Native Indians because what I meant to say is that there are many Indians who are mixed with white but don't look Native Indian at all. Again, how many times do I have to tell you Nelly said she's not completely white -- yet you still keep acting like I'm just trying to equate Hispanics or Latinos with non whites when I know hispanics come in all colors. You will probably misunderstand what I said again or not read this properly so I don't why I'm bothering to explain again. Every nation has its good and bad people so you've mistaken me for one of those people who worship the ground European born people walk on. I'm proud of my all my ancestries. In other words, no I'm not trying to connect myself to Europe because of some people's idea that Europeans are the greatest, I merely stated my ancestral connection to Hispania, therefore Hispanics. You forgot that I don't see every single European as strictly white anyway. You don't seem to realize you are the one who should just give up because I'm entitled to my beliefs just as you are entitled to yours. How hard is it to get that? ¿Me Entiende usted? Entende-me? C'est trop difficile pour vous? What language will you understand? Enough now. I should finally ignore you. Meh.Tari 02:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Opinoso, you should not make personal remarks about Tari's looks, what is the purpose? As Tari said, he is entitled to his opinion, only that it is not encyclopedic. You are also not Portuguese, and you do not know every thing about Portuguese culture. If Nelly said she is Hispanic is probably because she used the old meaning of the word. Until the seventies, in English, Hispanic only referred to Portuguese and Spanish people (south America was not included or any other Spanish speaking country) it meant the same as Iberian people,but not any more. During Nixon's government they invented a new meaning for the word which included all Spanish speaking nations, this excluded Portuguese people. As I said , there was a semantic change in the word. Tari, for your connection to Hispania, the correct word in English is Hispano-Roman (Latin: Hispanicu). Hispanic is for a connection with Spain. And yes, there is a big difference. The Hispano-Romans were Celtic-Iberian people. Please, do not use Hispanic as a synonym of Hispano-Roman and Spain as a synonym of Hispania, it is wrong (it is the source of this confusion). If Nelly said she is not completely white, whatever that means, (there are no completely white Europeans), what ancestor was not white? did she say? Proofs, please (just what you say she said is not enough), otherwise it is irrelevant for the biography. I can also say that North Americans are not white because there are North Americans of many races and I can say that Canadians are not white because there are Canadians of many races; they are "mestizo" of mixed ancestry. Portuguese are Lusophone and Lusitanic not Hispanic. It is like saying North American are British or that Canadians are French. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.180.17.186 (talk) 12:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Tari , just watch the video of Nelly Furtado to a Portuguese tv. If you can understand Portuguese, at all. Then tell me if she is Hispanic.

By the way, her grandmother and mother speak there, and they do not fit into a Mexican or Guatemalan ethnicity. lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghgIxo3-f14&mode=related&search= Opinoso 03:14, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

• Wow, I think I am becoming dumber by reading all this crap above. In order to get a real grasp of the differences between terms like Latino, Hispanic, Luso, etc., you really have to know your history. Hispania was a Roman region that encompasses the modern day Iberian peninsula. Lusitania was the region of Hispania that roughly makes up modern day Portugal. Most people of Portuguese descent will use Luso or Luzo to mark their ethnicity. For example, I am an American, born in the US, of Portuguese descent. I would call myself a Luso-American, and a Canadian in the same sense would call themselves a Luso-Canadian. I am also of Azorean descent, so if I might also refer to myself as Azorean-Portuguese to distinguish from the fact that I was not of continental European descent. I might also call myself Portuguese-American, Azorean-American, or American depending on the situation, and this is common in the Massachusetts/RI Portuguese community that I am a part of (where there is not a great interaction with Spanish-speaking cultures). In other Portuguese communities, people may call themselves Latins, or Latinos/Latinas in the sense that they are of Latin descent. They may also call themselves Hispanics in the sense that they are of descent from the Hispanic peninsula. It's all a matter of the region ones family emigrated to as well as many other complex geo-political reasons. There is no one label that can be universally applied, especially not when we are talking about centuries of inter-mixing of races, ethnicities, and cultures that make up the Portuguese diaspora. So if she calls herself Latina, so be it. If I were to move to another part of the world and the local Portuguese descendant community there called themselves Hispanics even though this was not a term I would use where I grew up, I would probably adopt it, and vice-versa. Getting into looks is just stupid. There are people that speak the Portuguese language as a native tongue on every continent, and due to more the two millenniums of conquest, trading, colonization, slavery, emigration, and immigration covering every inhabited continent on the planet, it's pretty much an exercise in futility to get into a discussion of what a Portuguese person looks like. That's my two cents, or "meus dois cêntimos"!

To the person who posted directly above me^^ -- I like your two cents, it's worth so many, many dollars more. You explained things in an eloquent way. I totally agree with you just like I agree with Joaopais comment. Thank you user 89.180.17.186, who posted at 12:31, 13 September 2007, for defending me on the remarks made about my looks. Links for proof that you asked me for are or were on this page. I definitely will continue to refer to myself as someone with Hispanic roots in addition to the other definitions, because a person of Portuguese ancestry shouldn't have to stop using 'Hispanic' to refer to their ancestry just because the American government decided to invent another meaning.Tari 03:26, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Nelly's Parents Emigrated from The Azores

Reference of the island in which her parents emigrated from is at the following website> http://www.radio.cbc.ca/programs/thismorning/sites/a&e/furtado_010301.html

The CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) interview with Nelly is in audio form as well as in print at the aforementioned website. Wik999 11:04, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

^^In reference to the above website: I cited it because it states nothing more than the truth as spoken from Furtado's mouth.Wik999 15:03, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Hot 100 Single of the Year

Did Nelly actually win this award at the Billboard Music Awards? I thought she only won Pop Single of the Year. Thanks Ô 21:26, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Singles

Hi, I'm new.

I was looking at the singles and they look really messy and not very believable. I don't really think that I'm Like a Bird only reached 33 on the Canadian charts. And right now it's all over the place. Am I just blind or does it look really...wrong?

--Jarrod1987 19:29, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey! I completly agree with you on this one. I don't believe at all that Nelly's Grammy award winning single I'm Like a Bird reached number 33 on Canadian charts. She was born in Canada and you'd think that her debut single would do well in her own country. Maybe the person who wrote #33 on the Canadian Charts can step forward and tell us where they're getting they're information from because it doesn't seem right. As well, if you look at her popular singles, like Turn Off the Light and Maneater, you would think that she would do a lot better on the Canadian charts...Makes you think? Ô 01:12, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Date of birth

It says on the top of the page that her date of birth was in 1978, whilst on the bottom it says 1979. Which is the correct date? DavidJJJ 20:56, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Good eye..She was actually born in 1978 Ô 21:28, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Morrano?

The name "Furtado" is a name common among "Portuguese" Jews. For example, Abraham Furtado (1756-1817), a member of the "Portuguese" Jewish community in France. He was elected president of the "Assembly of Notables"; later he served as secretary of the Parisian Sanhedrin. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 06:46, 23 December 2006 (UTC).

But the forced conversions happened during the Inquisition and after that, it's to be expected that many generations later some of this Jews actually became Catholics. Portuguese last names that mean things are usually Jewish, specially the wood names (Pereira, Oliveira, Nogueira), animals, flowers or just adjectives, like Furtado. Many people in Brazil I know has one of these traditional Jewish last names and only learn in school they have some connection to Jewish people. 201.25.200.86 birth december 2 1978 age 28

Just because she is Furtado it's not clear she is jewish. That name existed before the Jewish people adopted it. Jewish adopted names like Furtado, Oliveira, Pereira, Machado, Pinto and others are present in more than half of all Portuguese people's names, and not 1% of the Portuguese are jewish. Otherwise this would be a second Israel :)

Style Change

Shouldn't the article mention that many old school fans are feeling slightly betrayed by her sudden change of style in her third album? Many people are saying she "sold herself" for best sales and left all her originality behind to make a more mainstream album. 201.24.96.73 08:02, 6 January 2007 (UTC)Radek

Hmm.. I was thinking that as well. Maybe we can put up a "Controversy" or "Criticism" section. But I personally don't think she's a sell-out. She seems to be enjoying what she's doing now more than ever. I think she's just experimenting different styles. I mean now she's coming out with an all-Spanish album. Who'd ever thought? Ô 18:12, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't really agree with the criticisms, but since they have been pretty loud ones, I guess it'd be important to mention something. All-Spanish? Shit, I, as a Brazilian, was expecting an all-Portuguese one and she did say once it was one of her ambitions. Oh, well. 201.25.200.86 06:28, 8 January 2007 (UTC)Radek

Furtado means "stolen"*

The Babel Fish translation website confirms that furtado does, indeed, mean stolen in Portuguese. The article currently implies that this was a fabrication: "On a faux-interview on MADtv, she stated that her last name means "stolen" in Portuguese." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.69.216.101 (talk) 18:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

Yes, Furtado means "stolen" in Portuguese. It also means "avoided"... The word is rarely used in Portuguese, by the way. Joaopais 01:42, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

• Also worth clarifying is that the name Furtado is a mostly a name derived of Azorean origins in Portugal (and is not as common on the continent). It likely comes from the notion that historically, the Azores have been a refuge for estranged peoples (notably those of Jewish origins). So the definitions of "saved", "escaped", "avoided", "robbed", "stolen", etc. likely relate to the idea that "os furtados" were people that were "stolen away" from places where they were unwanted, and not in the sense that they were thieves. Just saying that Furtado means "stolen" doesn't convey the true etymology of the word in the Portuguese language.

Singles chronology

Why does Nelly's single chronology look the way it is. It's sloppy to me and needs to be a straight chronicle. It's hard going back and forth to the next single release. It doesn't matter what country it was released in. Charmed36 02:02, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, we almost never say furtado... The used word is "Roubado" Sammu89

Why the controversy section was removed

Just to answer any future questions and clear up any confusion, the plagiarism section was removed because only Timbaland was accused of plagiarism. It's very important to be accurate in biographies of living people. Even though it was in one of her songs, no accusations were leveled at her so the situation does not need mention here. It is mentioned at Loose (album), at Do It, at Timbaland, and it has its own article at 2007 Timbaland plagiarism controversy. That is plenty.

Also, keep in mind that this "controversy" only seems significant now because it's happening now. We don't have entire articles about the numerous times Led Zeppelin was sued for plagiarism and copyright violations. We don't have an entire article about George Harrison being sued by The Chiffons. We don't even have an article about The Verve being sued by the Rolling Stones, and that wasn't all that long ago. This thing really isn't all that important or unique, and it's been given more than enough attention on Wikipedia. Considering how vital it is not to smear living people or even imply wrongdoing without cause, it's best to leave the mentions of plagiarism off this biography. Kafziel ^Talk 14:31, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Clean-up

This article needs a really good edit. It has no narrative flow and the language needs tightning up. Any volunteers?? Paul75 23:30, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Nelly Says She Does NOT Speak Hindi

She says she only knows a few words and it's often misquoted. She also sang at a huge New Year's Eve event in Mumbai (Bombay) in Dec. 2006 where she did sing a couple songs in Hindi. But that's all she knows. Here's the link: [14]. Could someone please update? KaitlynBelle 11:55, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Furtado says she was "offered half a million dollars to pose fully clothed ."

According to many reputable sources including MTV, and Canadian Music Source "Chart Attack", http://www.chartattack.com/damn/2006/11/2409.cfm Furtado was offered 500 000 U.S. dollars to pose fully clothed in Playboy - NOT nude. There is also an interview on Youtube's website in which she tells the radio station announcers that she was offered a 1/2 a million to pose fully clothed. She had first shared the "playboy offer" news with MTV's staff.

I'm just surprised that some people believe that Playboy would actually offer her a mere $500 000 to pose nude and then expect her to accept it. Tari

==5th Single Off of Album "Loose" Hey i have been hering that her 5th single might be "Glow" does anbody know if this true Thanks.Joel

Someone should edit the article and correct this...it was really an offer for a fully clothed photoshooting. Look here (5:55): http://youtube.com/watch?v=fAbJAiT2010&mode=related&search=

I edited the article to show "fully-clothed" per the source, not "nude" as I found the article earlier today. This was reverted by another user who is too lazy to persue the link for the citation. I have added a quote taken directly from the MTV article. Hopefully this will stop the incorrect reversion editting. JH03277465.248.164.214 (talk) 16:44, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Error: tour date

The site says it starts in London, Ont., but I'm pretty sure it started in Manchester after the Brit awards. She doesn't appear to have anything planned for London, Ont., at all.Jimjunkin 15:50, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Heavily edited

Someone listed this article as needing work, so I worked it. This meant heavy cutting, and I apologize these cuts appear disruptive. A great majority of these cuts are still in the article, within HTML comments. I made cuts when

1. they disrupted the narrative flow, bibloiographical timeline, etc
2. they sounded like they were copied right out of a magazine article (hint)
3. they made no sense whatsoever (without additional information, or inside industry knowledge)

Some improvements I ask the readership to make:

1. Fill in with more factual information of Furtado's life. I'm not talking trivia, like whether she can or cannot speak Hindi, or whether she was quoted as being a lesbian. I mean,
   1. when did she met the father of Nevis?
   2. when did she move back to Toronto?
   3. when did she first visit Toronto?
   4. when did she go to Europe after meeting with Eaton and West?
   5. when did she first visit Portugal?
2. Cut down (please) on the long, rambling self-commentaries of Furtado's on her album. Instead, paraphrase, and link to the interview. Or quote from critics. Maybe this is just me, but unless I'm a fan, I'm not that interested in what the artist says about her own work.
3. Fix the flow of pictures, music boxes and text. I don't know how to do this. Well, not elegantly.
4. Give a short intro to Timbaland. I got really confused when I came across that part.

Again, I'm sorry if I cut out something someone feels is important. Most of it is still there in comments. Thanks for your patience and understanding.

--Otheus 04:42, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

"Canada and experiencing"

I almost deleted this entire section for being absolutely meaningless, but I haven't yet removed it. But just what does "experiencing" mean? This makes no sense. Corvus cornix 23:12, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Since nobody responded to my question, I have removed the section. Corvus cornix 20:00, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for my late response. I believe I put that section in there in my major copy-edit (see above). Looks like I muffed the word "experiencing". Another user reverted your change (which was a mistake I think) but I "fixed" the section heading to something sensical. The entire section was actually (if I recall correctly) a "left-over". It was embedded into the structure somewhere where it did not fit, and I pulled it out and put a section label on it. It isn't a particularly useful section, but I'm not one to judge these things -- just copy-editing :) --Otheus 20:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree, it really isn't a very useful section. Corvus cornix 22:12, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Catholic

Why if this is a biography there is nothing about her being raised as a Roman Catholic, she has said so.--Domingo Portales 03:32, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

At one point there was some mention of her parents being Catholic, but I never saw anything sourced. If you can find a reliable source and post it here, by all means, do so, and I will put it in the appropriate location in the article (Which of course, you can also do yourself). --Otheus 20:53, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I post those source the last time, before they take it away from the article, so, here are the sources:

RollingStone Fly Girl, Nelly Furtado scores her romantic wanderlust to a hip-hop beat: "raised their brood according to the traditions of their Roman Catholic faith. "It was a big part of my life," Furtado says about church. "Very exciting and colorful. It was just so customary that I didn't really take the time to think about what everything meant, besides the basics. I still believe in the Ten Commandments and the Seven Sins. It keeps me on the straight and narrow, though I get jealous of people sometimes who can just let go and give in to sin." She would like to live a life like Frida Kahlo or Jack Kerouac, artists who "were sinners, who went through suffering, redemption and great love affairs." There is a source--Domingo Portales 22:44, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay, me, personally, having been raised Protestant, I don't see from this she is still catholic. Certainly, we can say she was reared as a Catholic and maybe somewhere that it continues to influence her lifestyle. But believing in the 10 commandments and 7 sins? If you don't mind, let me hear from someone else who considers himself or Furtado to be Catholic. (Hint, if you put it in, I won't remove it.) --Otheus 23:54, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

burninthespotlight.com/forum - Official Nelly Furtado Fans Forum

I feel that this link has been removed so many times, unfairly. The idea of the Wiki in my opinion, is to point a user of the site in the right direction when it comes to the subject they are reading about, the site; Official Nelly Furtado Fans Forum should be part of the external links.

It has been around since 2001 and has been a huge site in the online Nelly Furtado world, it is has contributed alot of good quality information, articles, reviews, and has become the largest online online community of Nelly Furtado Fans on the net, it really is a gem of a resource and a great way for people interested in finding more about and extending their interest in the Nelly Furtado article to venture, they will be provided with a wealth of information at burninthespotlight.com/forum and a whole load of realy Nelly Furtados fans to interact with. Please consider my proposal to keep burninthespotlight.com/forum a permanent link in the "External links" area, I hope you will all see the value of this website. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Josefdunne (talk • contribs) 01:36, 3 April 2007 (UTC).

It is inappropriate to link to forums. Please see WP:EL, message forums are number 10 on the links to normally be avoided. --Yamla 01:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

May I add to this, I looked over the section you mentioned WP:EL (number 10), the heading states "Links normally to be avoided" - Except for a link to a page that is the subject of the article or an official page of the article subject—and not prohibited by restrictions on linking—one should avoid:" I feel that the site burninthespotlight.com/forum is an exception here, it is an official resource for Nelly Furtado and is very relevant to the article in hand (Nelly Furtado) My proposal is that the site is accepted as a permanant link in the External links section for the article Nelly Furtado. Please consider again. Regards. -- Josefdunne 12:24, 3 April 2007 (GMT+1)

As the site advertises itself, I would agree with you that it passes the exception test. But before I give my sanction, is there any evidence that this forum is "official", ie, authorized by Ms Furtado herself? There is nothing in the FAQ about this. --Otheus 20:58, 3 April 2007 (UTC

Hello Otheus, thanks for the agreement with me that the site passes the exception test. The site has been mentioned on a number of occassions by Nelly Furtado personally during interviews and Nelly Furtado and her management (Chris Smith Management) have contributed posts, you can see here, this was posted when Nikki Sinclair RIP one of the sites largest members and a very popular Nelly Furtado fan sadly passed away, Nelly Furtado left her condolences, the site is also the official forum for http://www.shitontheradio.com (the official Nelly Furtado fansite) this site doesn't exist anymore, but http://burninthespotlight.com/forum has taken over that the spot as the Official Nelly Furtado fansite, the site has been online since Novemeber 2001 (as nellyfurtado.biz) then (burninthespotlight.com) since March 2002, and has been the main focus on the net for Nelly Furtado fans during the past 6 years. Please consider my proposal to keep burninthespotlight.com/forum a permanent link in the "External links" area, I hope you will all see the value of this website. I will wait for your reply. Thank you. --Josefdunne 00:16, 4 April 2007 (GMT+1)

I still do not believe it appropriate to link to this site. Even if the message board was run by Furtado herself, it's still a message board and thus inappropriate. --Yamla 00:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Really? Even if it were run by the artist herself? I'm sorry, but I disagree with your assessment here of the guideline. This is for external links -- not for reliable sources. --Otheus 11:36, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Come on Yamla, please re-consider what you are saying, take a step back, this site is a huge resource of Nelly Furtado and 100% relevant to the article, Wikipedia is a place for research in my opinion and external links are supposed to take people/readers/researchers to further resources relating the subject they are reading about, I feel that this site burninthespotlight.com/forum fits the role as an "extended resource", the site is hugely relevant and informative that it qualifies at least the position as an "External Link", it has reputation, saturation and credibility to back this proposal up, please re-consider, thank you. --Josefdunne 23:28, 4 April 2007 (GMT+1)

 done I've looked at the policy and guidelines again, and I can see no reason why the link should not be in there. Unless I hear an objection by roughly noon, 5 April (UTC), I'll put the link in myself. --23:33, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Removed pls see WP:FANSITE,Moxy (talk) 23:13, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Dance moves??

A user inserted this into Furtado's international influences section. "Her great dance moves"? --Otheus 07:18, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Nelly and dance moves=

she is not known for dancing! remove it --MRGQ 11:32, 16 April 2007

Nithisha?

"During her teenage years, nithisha embraced many musical genres..." 

I'm not sure why, but in that section, Nelly was constantly referred as "nithisha", any good explaination? --Zephirum 10:38, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, according to history "02:35, 28 April 2007 69.156.39.164 (Talk) (26,588 bytes) (→Influences)" changed "Furtado" to "nithisha", interesting how it slipped through all those edits. Someone should revert/fix the vandalism. (Sorry I have to go to bed now) --Zephirum 10:46, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

She is a Canadian of Portuguese descent

It is important to write about her Portuguese ancestry in the beggining of the article. Nelly Furtado was born to Portuguese parents and holds Portuguese citizenship.

More than an ethnic group, Nelly already said she feels more Portuguese than Canadian. Opinoso 01:37, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

• Welcome to wikipedia, the mother of all bias. How long your edit will survive, a week, a month, two months?! And then she will be a Canadian for wikipedia alone, Portuguese for the rest of the world. --Pedro 02:03, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

• • But she IS Canadian. Her ancestry from before is Portuguese, but it already indicates that she is also a Portuguese national and she potentially holds a Portuguese passport. Most media recognize her as Canadian AND Portuguese. xero-7 15:55, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Reason for removing Image:NF7.png from name field

First of all, the logo only has decorational purposes, which is simply not necessary. Also, from Wikipedia:Non-free content: "Significantly, Wikipedia places additional restrictions on material that is not available under a free content license; the content can be used only if it is not replaceable with free content." The logo is a fair-use image and can easily be replaced by simple text. --JYi 20:31, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Ancestry

As per WP:MOSBIO, it is inappropriate to list her Portuguese ancestry in the lead paragraph. This is clearly an important characteristic of Furtado, however, and an appropriately cited note futher into the article would be entirely appropriate. --Yamla 04:37, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I read the Manual of Style. It says "Nationality (In the normal case this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen or national, or was a citizen when the person became notable. Ethnicity should generally not be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability.)"

Furtado is a Portuguese citizen. Read this. It's clear that Furtado puts great stake in her Portugueseness. Why you want to scrub it out is a mystery, but you should not. The consensus seems to be to include it, and policy supports it.Eden Tate 05:39, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I think the following wording (that I have implemented) is the most fair compromise: "Nelly Kim Furtado (born December 2, 1978) is a Canadian singer, songwriter, record producer, and instrumentalist, who also holds Portuguese citizenship."

To say that she is "Portuguese Canadian" implies that she is "equally" (for lack of a better word) Portuguese and Canadian, when really she was born, bred, and has spent almost her entire life in Canada. The fact that she holds Portuguese citizenship is merely a peculiar artifact of Portuguese law. The majority of Canadian citizens do not have Canadian roots beyond their own generation. If we say that Furtado is "Portuguese Canadian" then, to be consistent, we would need to edit the "nationality" of the vast number of famous Canadians, which would obviously be quite silly. --Jester7777 06:46, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

When the Portuguese bit was reverted by Opinoso, it was added to indicate her ancestry. That is a violation of WP:MOSBIO and that is why I was reverting it. Jester7777's version indicates that we are noting her citizenship rather than her ancestry and as such, does not violate WP:MOSBIO and is entirely appropriate. --Yamla 14:01, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm having second thoughts again. My slight concern with this wording is that we are explicitly stating that she is a Portuguese citizen, and therefore an external (i.e. non-Wikipedia) reference of this statement would be ideal. Moreover, just because Portuguese law implies that Furtado holds Portuguese citizenship, does not necessarily mean she is definitely a Portuguese citizen (maybe her or her parents revoked the citizenship when she was young, or maybe the laws did not apply to her case). I did a quick google search and found nothing to confirm she is a Portuguese citizen. Can anyone find an external source to confirm this? --Jester7777 16:25, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, we cannot use another Wikipedia article to source this one. I've been looking and I cannot find anywhere stating that Furtado has claimed Portuguese citizenship. She certainly has Portuguese ancestry, nobody is debating that, but WP:MOSBIO tells us not to include that in the article's introductory paragraph. It is clear that Portugal would grant her citizenship if she asked but that does not make her a Portuguese citizen unless she has actually claimed it. As an aside, does anyone know if Canada permits dual citizenship involving Portugal? I know they do with, say, the United Kingdom or with the U.S., but I know Canada does not permit dual citizenship with most other foreign nations. Her ancestry is important and should be discussed in the article (indeed, Portuguese influences are noted multiple times) but that does not imply that it should go in the lead paragraph. --Yamla 20:35, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I see that Opinoso has added a citation indicating that Furtado has her Portuguese passport. Although this is a link to a forum, it seems reliable enough to me. I'm concerned that it only states she has her passport; I know several people with passports for a nation but who do not have citizenship in that nation. In fact, I know someone who does not have citizenship in any nation due to the circumstances of his birth. As such, this information is still disputable; Furtado may have a Portuguese passport but not citizenship in that nation. However, and I want to be clear here, I am not disputing this information. I think the balance of evidence is that she does have dual citizenship. Thank you, Opinoso. --Yamla 21:43, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

To hold a Portuguese passport means one is Portuguese. Every nation has its own laws in this case you need to know Portuguese law not Canadian . And the people you know, well, I am sure you are not talking about holders of Portuguese passport. To have a Portuguese passport one has to have a birth registration as Portuguese,(which her parent probably did in the Portuguese consulate when she was born) a "Cedula Pessoal" and an ID card. [15]. So, Nelly is Portuguese citizen not only because she has a passport but because Portugese national law is Jus sanguinis. Children of Portuguse people are Portuguese (and claming for the documents is only a formality). So, no,the information is not "disputable" based on your knowledge of people you know from other countries, not even on Canadians you know. The information is reliable based on Portuguese nationality law. Portuguese citizenship, in her case, is a birth right. Besides being a Portuguese citizen she is also a European citizen by law and birth right. Now, whatever your reasons for saying "this information is still disputable", this is based on what countries' laws, please!! (I know it may be difficult for you to understand , whatever your nationality, but do understand that each country has its own laws and they differ from country to country. In her case if she is Portuguese citizen, or if she has dual nationality or not it all depends of Portuguese law, not of other countries laws or of the people you know). Any way, I could also say that she is not Canadian because in Portugal it is not enough just to be born in Portugal to be Portuguese. Then you also have to prove she is a Canadian citizen. I know lots of people who were born in Portugal and are not Portuguese because their parents were not Portuguese. So, the information that she is Canadian citizen is as much disputable as that she is Portuguese citizen. National laws, my friend, is all is required to know. I hope this puts an end to your concerns. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.180.196.175 (talk) 13:00, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

Actually, given that she was born in Canada and lives in Canada, Canadian law is of primary (but not sole) importance here. If Canadian law said that she could not hold Portuguese citizenship without giving up her Canadian citizenship, that would be sufficient. I'm not saying that this is the case, though; Canada does not generally allow dual citizenship but my understanding is that it would have no problem with Furtado's situation. You are making a number of assumptions regarding her citizenship, though. You are assuming that because she has a Portuguese passport, this means she also holds citizenship. This is not necessarily the case. You can have a passport in a nation without holding citizenship in that nation. Both Canada and Switzerland have issued passports to non-citizens and I'd assume many others have as well. Now, it could be that Portugal does not issue passports to non-citizens, in which case this would be proof of citizenship. Given that other nations do, though, this would require some evidence. You state that her parents probably registered her birth with the Portuguese consulate. This is original research. Your claim that she is not Canadian is harder to fathom given that she was born in Canada and lives in Canada. --Yamla 14:10, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

No Canadian law is not primary importance here (where did you get this one?). That is where you are wrong. Both laws are "primary importance laws". If Canadian law said that she could not hold Portuguese citizenship without giving up her Canadian citizenship, she would have to choose which nationality she wanted to keep, which was not the case. "Canada does not generally allow dual citizenship", maybe you want to correct the information on wikipedia : " Canadian nationality law was substantially revised on 15 February 1977. Notably, from that date Canada fully accepts multiple citizenship." Or in CNNEWS: "Under the Citizenship Act, Canadians who acquire another nationality can keep their Canadian citizenship, unless they choose to formally renounce it."[16] or here: [17] I am not assuming anything, I am proving you that she is a Portuguese citizen because of Portuguese Nationality Law. I told you before that each country have their own laws. Portuguese law is not like the Canadian law. I said that her parents "probably" registered her birth with the Portuguese consulate because it is what Portuguese parents normaly do, I did not say that their parents "did" at that time. No it is not original researchit is a comment like many others you have been making, it would only be if I had put the information on her page without sources. "Your claim that she is not Canadian is harder to fathom given that she was born in Canada and lives in Canada." No it is not, as I told you there are people who live in Portugal were born in Portugal and do not hold Portuguese citizenship. The Portuguese Nationality Law gives her citizenship by Jus sanguinis the Canadian Nationality law gives her citizenship by jus soli. There is not one Canadian law of primary importance here except in your head. Prove that there is a "primary importance law". And notice, I did not claim she is not Canadian, I wrote that "the information that she is Canadian citizen is as much disputable as that she is Portuguese citizen." It is you who are assuming I said so. This means that if you write "As such, this information is still disputable" you even after you have been informed about the Portuguese nationality law it gives me the right to put in doubt if she is a Canadian citizen and also disregard the Canadian Nationality law. Do not assume Canadian law rules the world, this is utter nonsense.

"Both Canada and Switzerland have issued passports to non-citizens and I'd assume many others have as well." Assume???What has Nelly got to do with it?? What is the relevance for the discussion?? Canada and Switzerland ,or whatever country ,can do whatever their laws allows them to do. It has nothing to do with what was discussed here. Anyway, from now on I will only assume you want to disrupt this discussion unless you can prove that either Canadian or Portuguese Nationality law changed with retroactive effects (or I can assume you do not understand the importance of the laws of each country and how they apply in this case, if this is the case I will be more patient). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.180.35.81 (talk) 16:23, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

Looks like I was wrong on Canadian dual citizenship laws. Thank you for correcting me. I was told this about holding dual citizenship by various immigration officials in Canada but already knew that they were mistaken on other points so I should not have assumed they were correct on this one. This was my fault and I appreciate your correction. As to which law is of primary importance, my point is that as she was born in Canada, lives in Canada, and holds Canadian citizenship, this would be relevent if Canadian law prevented her from holding Portuguese citizenship. You have shown that Canada does not place any such restrictions so this is therefore academic. As to nations that have issued passports, all the citation shows is that she has a Portuguese passport. My point is that holding a passport is not sufficient to establish one as a citizen of that nation. The balance of evidence clearly indicates that she does hold dual citizenship, however. I'm still not sure what your point is about her Canadian citizenship. You note that Canada gives citizenship by Jus soli and seem to agree that she was indeed born in Canada. Are you claiming that despite these things, she does not hold Canadian citizenship? Unlike Portuguese citizenship in this case, this would have been granted automatically; having her Portuguese citizenship recognised would have required specific additional steps. --Yamla 17:00, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

"My point is that holding a passport is not sufficient to establish one as a citizen of that nation." According to Portugal's Nationality Law it is sufficient. You can only apply for a passport if you provide the required portuguese citizen document (IDcard). For one to hold a Portuguese passport one needs to be a Portuguese citizen.

The same to apply for a Canadian passport:

(2) No passport shall be issued to a person who is not a Canadian citizen under the Act.

"Are you claiming that despite these things, she does not hold Canadian citizenship?" No, I only say that I can use the same arguments you use "if" you claim she is not a Portuguese citizen.

"Unlike Portuguese citizenship in this case, this would have been granted automatically; having her Portuguese citizenship recognised would have required specific additional steps." Unlike Portuguese citizenship, who said so??What steps are these?? Her Canadian citizenship is not "granted automatically", she needed a Canadian birth certificate. Her parents (or she) registered her birth in the Canadian Office of the Registrar General (or other place), and in the Portuguese Consulate. She gets two birth certificates: one Portuguese, the other Canadian. I hope you did not get all these "strange" information from the immigration officials. If you could read Portuguese I would give you the links on how to register a child in the Portuguese consulate.( anyway, if you understood everything you just became an expert ;)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.181.128.145 (talk) 23:17, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

Not everyone who holds a Canadian passport is a Canadian citizen. During the Iranian hostage crisis, for example, Canada issued passports to non-citizens. Granted this is a pedantic example. Other countries have much less problem issuing passports to non-citizens. Anyway, you have corrected a number of mistakes in the information I had and I thank you for that. Neither of us are disputing Furtado's citizenship (Canadian or Portuguese) at this point. --Yamla 18:18, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I have sourced that she is "Portuguese-Canadian" to the Guardian newspaper [18], which is a decent source. Let's put an end to this discussion now. Eden Tate 06:58, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

A citizen may not be a national of the country , and a national can be just a member of an ethnic group in some countries. I changed from "citizenship" to "nationality" but the correct designation is Portuguese-Canadian (or Canadian-Portuguese) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.181.210.119 (talk) 18:27, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Why is this article locked for vandalism?

Why is this article locked for vandalism, when Monica, Brandy and many other artists like Mariah Carey don't have it? I noticed that this and Elvis Presley has it. Why would anyone Vandalize this page? Just curious. Does she have alot of haters or something? Punkymonkey987 03:44, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

The page was protected for "libel concerns", presumably as per WP:BLP. --Yamla 03:48, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Infobox photo

The infobox photo of her is just terrible... have we not any other photos of Furtado that we could use? Cheers, Ouro (blah blah) 07:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Problem is that we can only use freely-licensed images to depict living people. --Yamla 15:26, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I know. Just thinking whether there isn't another free image that could be used... --Ouro (blah blah) 00:37, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Article destroyed

This article was destroyed by an user who posted lots of Furtado's music in it. I am removing them. Opinoso 22:54, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Revert of my edits

Why were my edits reverted? The chart positions are correct and relevant.--Dave it 18:11, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Disblock the page

please. Opinoso 23:26, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Nelly Furtado

There is a discussion whether the article should say that Nelly Furtado is a Portuguese-Canadian or that she is a Canadian with Portuguese citizenship. One editor arguments that: “Stating that she is no more Canadian than she is Portuguese is misleading.” and only wants to reference her being a Canadian who also holds Portuguese citizenship. A second editor siding with the first editor claims that her Portuguese "citizenship" is less notable, less interesting. A third editor claims she has both nationalities and wants the article to say she is Portuguese-Canadian as she has an international career and many fans in Portugal, she is influenced by her Portuguese culture, besides being known as Portuguese in Portugal and as Portuguese-Canadian by major international information media. The page has been blocked because of this argument. 23:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

This is not showing up on the RFCbio page for some reason. Please note that it is not the case that I only want to reference her being a Canadian who also holds Portuguese citizenship. My concern is only with the intro paragraph as per WP:MOSBIO. It is entirely appropriate that her Portuguese heritage and influence, etc. etc., is discussed in detail in the article itself after the intro paragraph. A person born in Canada, holding Canadian citizenship, and living in Canada is predominantly Canadian in my opinion. That she did not even apply for her Portuguese citizenship until relatively recently provides additional evidence for this. Additionally, Rolling Stone lists her as Canadian with "Portuguese roots", not as Portuguese-Canadian. This may or may not meet WP:RS. Finally, I believe that stating she is Portuguese-Canadian implies that she is Canadian with Portuguese ancestry and such would not be permitted in the intro paragraph according to WP:MOSBIO. The statement could certainly be taken to mean that or could be taken to mean she simply holds both citizenships but we should strive to eliminate the ambiguity, as the current wording ("Canadian... who also holds Portuguese citizenship") does. --Yamla 16:20, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Topodegama: this is nonsense. The page has been blocked because of an argument between Opinoso and myself over placement of Nelly song samples in article. See Nelly Furtado Revision history [19]. --Jester7777 16:28, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Yamla, the discussion about her being or not Portuguese has been going on since February. It is about time to put an end to it. Your concern as per WP:MOSBIO means what? Clarify yourself!

"Nationality (In the normal case this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen or national, or was a citizen when the person became notable."WP:MOSBIO

She has two nationalities.Full stop. There is nothing there against it.

The thing is that your opinion is just POV, for you to sustain that she is predominantly Canadian you need to present sources that states so, I told you that before. Prove she is more Canadian than Portuguese. "she did not even apply for her Portuguese citizenship until relatively recently " Where does it say she applyed for her citizenship recently? I only read she applied for her passport. Read the == Ancestry == section, she is Portuguese from birth. The Rolling Stone is the only source aproved by you? And all the other sources provided you erased? Like the Portuguese-Canadian National CongressPortuguese-Canadian National Congress The GuardianNelly Furtado, Loose There is also The Times I added later: [20]. And new ones for you:«"I think just growing up first-generation Canadian you're so aware of your identity," she said. "I had my identity as a Portuguese-Canadian. I was very aware, and I already had my ears opened -- even singing in another language at such a young age -- your ears are already opened to different sounds, different instrumentation, different cultures.» ["http://music.yahoo.com/read/news/12055995]

What about a Rolling Stone article?"And though this twenty-two-year-old Portuguese-Canadian singer-songwriter..." [21]

"Finally, I believe that stating she is Portuguese-Canadian implies that she is Canadian with Portuguese ancestry and such would not be permitted in the intro paragraph according to WP:MOSBIO." Is that so? where does it say in the WP:MOSBIO that a nationality that implies ancestry is not permited? Are there invisible words I have not been able to read? 1-She has Portuguese ancestry because her parents are Portuguese. Almost all Portuguese have Portuguese ancestry, that way all biographies of Portuguese people would not be permited. 2-She is a European citizen which means for EU countries only her Portuguese nationality is considered, that is, for legal matters. Topodegama 23:04, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Jester7777 if the page was blocked because of your argument with Opinoso I did not read any discussion about it and it has been blocked for too long. I just erased the comment about it on the request.Topodegama 23:04, 10 October 2007 (UTC) It does not let erase the comment about the block. Topodegama 23:16, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

"This is not showing up on the RFCbio page for some reason" I corrected a tilde,I think it is what was wrong,but it changed the time stamp.Topodegama 08:50, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Music Samples

All the songs included in the middle of the article's content are making it impossible to read the article. I moved the songs to the end of the article, but Jester7777, with his vandalism, is reverting me. This page has already been blocked because of that.

He does not even discuss the situation in the talk page and reverts me. He already reverted me over 3 times in the past and was not blocked by the administrators.

Wikipedia is a place to read information, not to listen to music.

Please, somebody stop Jester7777's vandalism.Opinoso 16:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

As I have said before, the formatting looks terrible at the end of the article with all the samples down the left side and awards and references to the right of that - if you can improve the visual appearance of that then I might compromise. I like the current version because songs appear side-by-side album descriptions, so logically a reader can listen to samples at the same time as reading about them.

Also, it is NOT vandalism. See Wikipedia:Vandalism. By accusing me of vandalizing this page, you are discrediting yourself. Keep in mind that I am a registered user who has put a lot of time and effort into improving this page over the last few months. --Jester7777 16:49, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. People are here looking for information, not music. All those songs make it impossible to read the information about Nelly Furtado.Opinoso 17:50, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

That is merely your opinion - you may not be interested in the music but others may be. And again, you keep on discrediting yourself with exaggerations such as the songs "make it impossible to read the information." Give me a break. I have put together far more thoughtful arguments as to why it is better that they appear inside the article. All you can say is that it makes it "impossible" to read. Explain yourself! I can still read the article just fine! If you want to put the songs at the end of the article, at least tidy up the formatting - it looks terrible as is. --Jester7777 18:02, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

There's clearly no resolution on this so I have reprotected the page for 2 weeks. --Yamla 18:11, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

This is not my opinion. No articles in Wikipedia about singers put songs in the middle of the article as you are trying to do.

Stop your vandalism.Opinoso 18:20, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

3O

I have not examined the layout of the page in either Opinoso's preferred version or in Jester7777's preferred version. I would like to extend to the two of you an offer of a third opinion. That is, I would take a look at the page in both formats and compare to other pages with song samples on them. I'd then give an opinion on which version I think we should prefer. Now, this means that I'm going to probably find zero or one of your preferred versions to be acceptable. Realistically, that means that you have a slightly less than 50% chance of being the version I approve of. I will only do this if:

1. both of you are willing to accept me as a neutral arbiter,
2. both of you are willing to accept the version I approve as being the "preferred" version.

There's no obligation here. If you believe I cannot be neutral, I will not take offence. Just as importantly, refusing my offer will not be held against you if this goes further in dispute resolution. If you'd prefer someone else, that's fine. If you'd prefer hashing the matter out in discussion, that's better. --Yamla 19:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Since "hashing the matter out in discussion" has not been effective to date, I accept Yamla's above propositions. --Jester7777 19:50, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Jester you need to view this page using 800x600 resolution. Because this page is difficult to read, it is possible to fix samples song, but you need to do some tests using low resolution. Carlosguitar 07:36, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

I mentioned earlier that I am willing to compromise and have the songs placed at the end of the article, but the way in which Opinoso has done that looks terrible. See this: [22]. --Jester7777 17:10, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

That is bad, I totally disagree with Opinoso. Article must contain Images, Musics or Videos if possible. That helps a lot to know more about the article which you are reading.

The only problem I see in this version is with 2006–present section. If we move the sample or image a bit to down, maybe we will fix it. Carlosguitar 17:33, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Well the article is protected from editing for now, and Yamla may arbitrate the dispute, so we will have to wait a while to fix things... --Jester7777 18:08, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

I've only heard from one side of the dispute. Did Opinoso respond? Sometimes I miss messages. --Yamla 20:17, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Seems Opinoso is curiously silent on the matter, despite making a number of edits today...--Jester7777 22:17, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I wanna see your point, Yamla.Opinoso 15:49, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean? --Yamla 19:29, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't know why did you close the article even now! the samples are right and nothing wrong what's the matter if there are some 22 seconds samples? and if you see the other singers articles you'll see more samples boxes such as "Britney Spears". I think you must open the lock then add more text to the article to be okay to read! Raivena 19:05, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Put the songs on the right side, then. Opinoso 15:42, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Okay I'll put them on the right side but how can I do it while the article is closed?Raivena 20:51, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Image replaced

Deleted image needs to be replaced by Image:Nelly Furtado - Manchester Arena 2007.png --Zirland 13:23, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

portugal blod

maria manuela and antónio josé furtado = portugal blod.

nelly furtado = portugal blod.

nelly furtado = portugal citizen.

portugal connection goes first, she is only born in canada, far less significan detail - PortugaloBoy 19:44, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

You are mistaken. See WP:MOSBIO. --Yamla 19:45, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

• She was born and raised in Canada, it is a VERY significant attribute. Nobody is denying that she is Portuguese, but how she grew up and how she was musically influenced plays a significant role into the type of person that she is. She is famous because of her talent and her music, not so much her ethnicity. xero-7 03:38, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

You mean ethnicity and nationality. She is a Portuguese national. She grew up as a Portuguese-Canadian. She was raised by Portuguese parents in a Portuguese home. She would be Portuguese even if she was born on the moon! And Yamla, what do you mean with "See WP:MOSBIO"? It is about time to stop with nonsense and leave her nationality as Portuguese-Canadian. As I see it, you are disrupting this page with biased edits on this issue, not to call it something else, and been making silly interpretations of WP:MOSBIO. Now is a good time to make things right and give equal credit to both nationalities. And by the way, the big majority of Portuguese people does not hold a passport of any kind. Topodegama 22:51, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Does she also have Spanish ethnicity in her background? —Preceding unsigned comment added by JustN5:12 (talk • contribs) 02:49, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

How back do you want to go in her background?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.181.99.243 (talk) 20:17, 4 November 2007 (UTC) 

typo: prosponed

I am not exactly sure how to use this talk page, but I hope that someone who knows reads this. I barely ever change any content on wikipedia, but I occasionally correct typos etc. Well, there is a typo on the Nelly Furtado page that I could not fix, because this article is locked or something. So maybe someone who knows how can fix it. In the section Acting Career, it reads prosponed, which I think is supposed to be proposed, but maybe also postponed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.64.160.31 (talk) 15:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

race

i see alot of stupid ignorant things here about nelly race ,first off nelly is of european decent namely portuguese decent which makes nelly white being white is a racial classification not an ethnic one,i do realize she does wrongly call herself latino or latina which is not a race but an ethnic classification it is unusal for somebody of portuguese decent to call themselves latino or latina but we all want to be the minority these days, because she cant go around proclaiming her whiteness because that would be politicaly inncorect in todays world or would be called racist ,but she can side step this by claiming on a technicality the term latino because she knows as well as most of us that the term is wrongly is given some sort of racial classification,latino comes from the word latin,and latin is the language of ancient rome,now rome was a vast empire which for instance which included modern day england spain,portugal,france e.t.c who brought with them there language which was latin and in some places a form of vulgar latin began to take place as the language of that land ,latin also had started to take root in england because romans ruled england for 400 years but because of sucessive germanic invasions after the fall of rome,latin had been surplanted by forms of germanic languages so in reality people of england would have been latin as well if it was not for germanic tribes,WHICH PROVES MY POINT ITS LANGUAGE NOT RACE!and Atlantic Europeans from england, wales, scotland,ireland spain, portugal, e.t.c share a similar gentic background with high fequencies of haplogroup R1B for instance,so to the Mestizo/mulatto centrics who keep trying to claim any talented person of of a latin background as there so called race and to non hispanic whites stop with your ignorance to,nelly is a white girl like any other white girl--Wikiscribe (talk) 18:10, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

I know plenty of European peoplewho have an obvious mix ancestry somewhere in their blood- some look it, and some don't at all so please stop with the 'Nelly's only trying to be politically correct and is trying to be a minority' babble. I too heard Nelly Furtado say loud and clear she is "not completely white," as in she sees herself as a person of color. She didn't mean soley language here but the widely accepted additional definition of race, roots, and culture of being Latina. Her talk with Juanes years ago also cemented her Latina pride. Thousands don't see her as white because she isn't so easy to put in one category. No ones view will change how she and the thousands see her so people may as well let her live her life how she knows and feels. Europeans share the same continent but it doesn't mean they all share or pass down the exact homogenous ancestry/physical traits through every generations.Woha (talk) 08:14, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

she is not a person of color if she is, so is Victoria Beckham who is also european descent like nelly and being latina does not mean you are a person of color, nelly is white under every definiton in the book and phenotypcaly. Latina roots have nothing to do with race ,latino or latina does not mean non white nor non black in reality please see White Latin American and White Hispanic--Wikiscribe (talk) 15:38, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

also on another note we can make that claim about all people of european descent,why just certain ones claim britney spears why you are at it, because ethnocentrist like yourself want to claim people,being of the same race does not mean everybody is an identical twin --Wikiscribe (talk) 15:46, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm not an ethnocentric but if that's the name that gets you through life when people disagree with you, then is your business. There are all kinds of Latins and non Latins of singular or varying racial make up all over the world. No one's disputing that. As for Victoria Beckham, don't you know some people do wonder about her racial make up? As for Britney Spears, nobody really wonders. And as for Nelly Furtado, many wonder. Even Nelly alluded to having a different racial make up from a pure white person, like I already said. I'm seeing that this conversation is useless since this controversy could go on forever without me or anyone really changing their mind. Side-note: It looks like Nelly's family is becoming quite the rainbow family since Nelly's daughter is part Indian and Filipino, and Nelly's husband is Cuban. Wohah (talk) 12:11, 2 January 2009 (UTC) couldn't remember my password for Woha.

Edit: Apparently while I was spell-checking my reply to you, I accidentally deleted a word in your reply to me. I reinstated the word that I deleted in your post.Wohah (talk) 10:20, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Has Nelly Furtado Spoken Out About Speaking?

I just want to make sure that Nelly Furtado has either said in an Interview or said on her website that her next album will be called Speaking? Wikipedia needs to have reliable infomation if anyone will take Wikipedia seriously. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.210.68.120 (talk) 15:57, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Smelly Farturdo???

Why does "Smelly Farturdo" redirect here? Does she have some intestinal problems that I'm unaware of? In any event, there is no mention of anything scatological related to her in this article. Either remove the redirect or mention the reason for its existence somewhere in the article's main text. Stonemason89 (talk) 16:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

picture

can someone change the picture to a HQ one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.182.114.242 (talk) 17:48, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

There are two identical pictures in the article with contradicting captions, which picture is proper? The other should be deleted or changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.236.116.94 (talk) 20:27, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Higher quality photo needed

The first photo of the article is a bit blurred. Where is the old(er) one?--66.131.65.112 (talk) 01:07, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

OK never mind (that IP is me).-- Vintei  Talk  21:17, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Sexuality

I Heard Somewhere That Nelly Was Bi, Is That True Because I Don't Know If NNDB Is Trustworthy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.81.107.99 (talk) 12:15, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

archive

i set up an archive for this talk section as per it was really long and i set it to do it automaticaly every 21 days--Wikiscribe (talk) 16:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Edit revert

Why did you revert my edit,196.218.254.198? -- Jack1755 (talk) 13:03, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

If you continue reverting, I'm going to consider this an edit war. -- Jack1755 (talk) 23:00, 16 August 2009 (UTC)