Talk:Mnemosyne (TV series)

First header

ehh, anyone know anything else about it? 68.8.219.56 (talk) 09:23, 10 February 2008 (UTC)Jopojelly

ok, edited with stuff from the japanese wiki article - Iron2000 (talk) 09:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Demographic

Charano! is a shounen and seinen magazine. Indicative? What do you think? --Koveras ^☭ 21:32, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

No, I don't think so. The primary subject of the article is the anime, so no target demographic should be placed here. Incidentally, there's an ongoing dicussion about demographic here. Kazu-kun (talk) 23:03, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

OK. --Koveras ^☭ 06:56, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

If the anime is the primary subject, why did the infobox get changed? I thought the primary topic of the article was supposed to get first billing in the infobox. -SeaFox (talk) 03:34, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Generally, the infobox is arranged in chronological order, regardless of the primary subject of the article. Kazu-kun (talk) 03:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Music section

I removed this section because it was redundant with "OVA" (under "Media"), which already has this info and in prose form. I think any further info about the soundtrack should be added there for the time being. Kazu-kun (talk) 16:34, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I merely moved the music section into the OVA section to make it easier to read and less redundant; I mean, both songs were written, composed, and performed by the same people, so there's no need to list it out twice. Plus it's better to have prose rather than an embedded list.--十八 22:50, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I didn't notice the last sentence of the section. My bad. ^^;; --Koveras ^☭ 11:00, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Episode list

How about eventually extracting the episode list to a separate article? FLCL got one, too... --Koveras ^☭ 16:27, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Trivia

Changed the name spelling of Apos to Eipos, as that is how it is spelled in English Alphabet on the Production DVD. Here is a screenshot from the DVD... [1] --Ichigo69 (talk) 05:04, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

In Maeno Kōki's character section, I changed the word dissection to vivisection since he was still alive when they were doing it... --Ichigo69 (talk) 06:19, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Format

Hm, is Mnemosyne really an OVA? According to the Xebec's site, it "airs on the first Sunday of every month on AT-X"... so it has to be a TV series, doesn't it? Plus, it also says that the most recent DVD to have been released is the second one... Even ANN seems to be confused: it calls it an OVA but lists AT-X as a broadcaster. --Koveras ^☭ 09:42, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

The japanese wiki has it as a TV anime with AT-X as broadcaster also. I'll go change it. Iron2000 (talk) 16:30, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Part of the confusion is probably from the fact it only airs once a month and has so few episodes in total. -SeaFox (talk) 21:52, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Genre

Cyberpunk? I dunno. There was the bit about the conciousness being transferred to the android from the Net and the virtual reality world, but overall this show has very little in the way of computers in it and we don't have the ideas of corporate government prevalent in cyberpunk either. -SeaFox (talk) 21:57, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

We also have cyborg Laura, clone Maeno, bioweapons, people drug-addicted to cybertechnologies (2.0), and Sayara with her exoskeleton. Plus, I just disliked the "science fiction" entry sitting next to "horror" and "neo-noir" but still wanted to retain the aspect of the series being set partly in the future... --Koveras ^☭ 06:11, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but technology isn't such a central theme in the series. I'll give you people addicted to 2.0, but do the rest of those examples exist because technology has taken a more dominant role in society in Mnemosyne's universe? Or simply because the show is now set in the future so these things are normal for a future world. Science Fiction and Horror can coexist as genres for one work (Alien, Event Horizon), although the 'neo-noir' might have been making things too crowded. I thought 'supernatural' was one of the better genres given for this. 'Horror' would be the one that fits least. There may be lots of violence, but that's more a staple of the show being neo-noir, not from any attempt to frighten the audience. -SeaFox (talk) 19:49, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

What do you suggest? --Koveras ^☭ 20:13, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure. :) The original situation has changed now since 'neo-noir' and 'cyberpunk' have been replaced by 'tech-noir' (I actually felt the need to look at the history for that article to see if it hadn't just been created). I'm still not quite in agreement on the 'cyberpunk' part of it, but we'll see once the show ends. I think horror should go now, I believe it was a reaction to the first episode. Do you feel horror still applies to this? -SeaFox (talk) 20:19, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, there is still the matter of Apos/Eipos... that guy is just sick. :-/ Though I admit, he became a bit moderate about his hobbies lately... but we'll see more of him, I'm afraid. Well, whatever I may feel about horror elements, it's still listed among the genres in the ANN entry. As is sci-fi, go figure. :D --Koveras ^☭ 09:07, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

The producers call Mnemosyne a "hard-boiled science fiction action" series; so, by the producers' account, the genres are just a little bit off. On "tech-noir": since the article says tech-noir is another name for "cyberpunk neo-noir", the genre could still be wrong for this series. Although, I don't like that label; I much prefer "sci-fi noir".

Although I'll need to watch at least two episodes to form an opinion, I'll say this: you should be wary of having "noir" as a genre. Some people just slap "noir" (and "heroic bloodshed") to anything.--Nohansen (talk) 19:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

The first two episodes are set in 1990 and '91 respectively, so there's nothing cyberpunk about them, although they might make the horror genre choice seem more accurate. I associate the word "Hard boiled" with Noir, but that may just be from the greasy-spoon diners that show up in noir stories, not the prose itself. ;) Considering the small number of episodes for this show, this may just be a better issue to revisit after the series is completed. With more time passing between episodes now in-universe, this may turn into a cyberpunk show yet, but the issue of the supernatural time spores and the tree that produces them hasn't really been explored either. -SeaFox (talk) 22:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay, so it's done now. I think we are all in agreement this was not a cyberpunk show after all, or even Tech-noir? I think 'Horror' should be removed and 'Neo-noir' put back in place of 'Tech-noir'. --SeaFox (talk) 00:57, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, as far as I understand the WP:MOS-AM, the infobox should contain about two or three genres, so I'd say we stick with the least controversial three: action, mystery, and supernatural. The rest of them can be eventually included in a themes section (which must be properly sourced, of course), should one come to be. --Koveras ^☭ 11:24, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Agree about it not being cyberpunk. The last few episodes have pervasive AR and similar cyberpunk techs, but they don't affect society or the plot very much, while in something like Neuromancer, the future tech & changes are overwhelmingly important. --Gwern (contribs) 14:06 25 February 2010 (GMT)

Ihika

I think there is some confusion regarding Ihika and the man-on-the-phone alias "former god". Ihika is just a mortal man whom Rin fell in love with after losing her memories. He was killed by Laura, as evidenced by Rin crying about his death in the brief shower scene. The "former god" guy is an entirely different person, as he is well alive after Ihika dies. He hasn't been explicitly named so far but I think the professor mentions some name during the lecture that Mishio attends. --Koveras ^☭ 21:54, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

He is the guy Rin talks to on the phone every night as evidenced by the few glimpses we got of his goatee in episode 4. When she loses her memories he chose not to clue her in to her past because he knew he wouldn't have a chance with her otherwise. He had always pined after her (ex. her photo on his dining room table when his is visited by Apos) but had been refused by her. And in this same scene you'll notice that his clothing is disheveled and his furniture is knocked around because he had been in that explosion with Rin. He is probably a cross between an Angel and Immortal like Apos.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.136.17.167 (talk • contribs)

"Evidenced by his goatee" is not a valid argument, any male character in the series can wear goatees. I've watched the episode very thoroughly (since I had to write a summary) and although I noticed a lot of similarities between Ihika and the god guy (which isn't coincidental, probably, cuz Rin falls for guys with goatees), I didn't see any hard proof that they are one and the same person. By hard proof I mean e.g. Rin calling the god guy Ihika or vice versa. I have also looked at the scene you mentioned and only found that the two men look very different: different face structure, hair color, beard form, nose length, eyebrows, chin width... See for yourself. --Koveras ^☭ 12:13, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Alright, I'll give you that. Then Ihika was her fiance, nothing else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.175.32.209 (talk) 16:42, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I've rewritten his entry, check if it's OK like this with you. :) --Koveras ^☭ 09:12, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Revamp

Now that the series is over, I suggest following revamping for the article:

• Split the character section into a separate list article.
• Remove the character section altogether, instead having a see-also link at the top of plot section.
• Write a complete (that is, spoilerific) summary of the series' plot for the plot section (I can take over this task, since I'm good with summarizing things).
• Wait for some English-language reviews to show up, so that we can start a reception section. ^^; Erica Friedman's blog may be a good place for that.

Thoughts, ideas? --Koveras ^☭ 18:24, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I think the length of the article right now is good. I vote we wait until after the summary and reception sections are in place before the characters are spilt off into a separate artcile. --SeaFox (talk) 19:21, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

The length, maybe, but not the proportion of plot section to the rest of the article. ;) Characters section counts as plot, you know... --Koveras ^☭ 19:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

It makes no sense to think about proportions when the article doesn't have any real-world (encyclopedic) content yet. Until then I have to oppose. Kazu-kun (talk) 20:26, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

The Media section is the real-world content. Though I agree with Kazu on this; the characters section takes up most of the article now, and if it's split before the additions are added, it'll look pretty stubby.--十八 21:18, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I assume you meant "the character section doesn't count as plot", ;) but in this case it does. The long character sections include events that happen to them in the show. That's why I think the other sections should be developed first, even though it would be very easy to split off the character section right now and make a new article. We'll be missing the plot info it provides to the main article. Plus, as I meant when I said "the length right now is good", removing it will leave a stubby article. --SeaFox (talk) 00:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I meant exactly what I said: character section does count as plot summary, albeit structured by character rather than chronologically. While I still maintain that with a good plot summary, character section would only include secondary information, I have to agree with the stubbiness argument. Therefore I'd say we leave the revamping until a full plot summary and a reception section (and, perhaps, a production section, anyone?) are written and then consider it again. --Koveras ^☭ 10:58, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Review(s)

Mania.com OVAs BR Mania.com Complete DVD UK --KrebMarkt (talk) 12:06, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

ANN review Lucia Black (talk) 05:03, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

English network?

In the infobox, the listed "English network" is 2x2, which is Russian. Did it actually air in English? ミーラー強斗武 (talk) 20:57, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

i was hesitant to removing it because it has been said that Russian network would contain English anime. I'm not 100% sure on that, but i did not add it in, so i wasn't sure if this particular case was true. Lucia Black (talk) 15:20, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Well, I can confirm that, according to Russian language sources (specifically, the 2x2's corporate blog), Mnemosyne has indeed aired on that channel in Russia. However, I am quite certain that this is not what is expected in the infobox field called "English network", so I call for its removal from the infobox for being factually irrelevant there. As for the anime airing on English language networks, I have no data on that. --Koveras ^☭ 16:26, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Can you confirm by source? The English network is only whatever network released it in English, not that the network is primarily English. Lucia Black (talk) 18:00, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Hmm, perhaps I should have made it more clear: the show aired on a Russian channel in Russian, not in English. --Koveras ^☭ 20:44, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Therefore it should be removed/corrected? ミーラー強斗武 (talk) 03:57, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

In my opinion, yes. --Koveras ^☭ 06:47, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

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