Talk:Miles Dyson/Archive 1

Responsibility for Judgment Day

Hi, I took this out because it seemed like one guy's opinion, not any kind of historical info.

As noted above, the T-800 remarks (and history seems to record) that Dyson is the man most immediately responsible for Judgment Day's onset. However, it should be indicated that Dyson merely made it possible for Skynet, a distributed computer network developed by other people, to blossom into self-awareness; it was not Dyson, but military leaders who designed and enstated Skynet, who created and maintained an arsenal of nuclear weapons, and who gave control of those weapons, and therefore the capacity to perpetrate nuclear holocaust, to Skynet. At one point in the film, the T-800 explains that Skynet initiated Judgment Day when military command attempted to shut it down. The person or persons involved in that attempt seem more "directly" responsible for Judgment Day than Miles Dyson.

Additionally, when Sarah Connor confronts Dyson at his home with the intention of preventing Judgment Day, she tells him, "Men like you invented the hydrogen bomb!" However, Dyson can only be superficially likened to the inventors of the hydrogen bomb for his scientific and industrial pursuits; Dyson himself never participated in the creation or even promotion of actual weapons of mass human destruction, only the computer systems that made Skynet's self-awareness possible.

The seeming mistakes of the T-800's and Sarah Connor's arguments don't necessarily represent script or continuity errors, but rather errors of judgment or unclarified claims made by imperfect, fictional characters.

In the course of the film's story, Dyson, with his friends Sarah and John Connor, take responsibility for Judgment Day by risking their lives to stop it. Dyson himself ends up giving his life to that cause. Despite their efforts, Judgment Day is ultimately only postponed, owing to the reality that causal responsibility for Judgment Day lies across a diffuse range of human agents, both military and civilian, not with a single individual or specific group of people whose historical erasure would nullify it.

I put in a little line about how he didn't know where the chip came from so people can see the character with more sympathy regarding the blame angle. ABD 03:36, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Although that seems to be one person's perspective, most everything mentioned seems to be factual and easily verified within the continuity of the Terminator universe as revealed in the movie. It's interesting as continuity notes, because it's obviously inaccurate when T-800 says Dyson is the man "most responsible for judgment day". The contributions to the wiki weren't merely a person's "opinion"-- it's all easy verified just by watching the movie. Additionally, in the third movie (awful film) the danger posed and destruction wreaked by Skynet obviously have nothing directly to do with Dyson and everything to do with military/industrial decision-making.

I am wondering if this section needs a citation to be included:

"In the end, Miles's terrorist act and sacrifice was for nought. Though it was enough to bankrupt Cyberdyne and end any possible reconstruction of the Skynet Project by them, it was rebuilt by Cyber Research Systems, a subsidiary of the United States Air Force who bought out Cyberdyne's remaining patents and projects; including Skynet. The final version of Skynet was ultimately created and activated by the head of CRS; General Robert Brewster, who used Miles's original research to create it, which was reconstructed and finished by Miles's oldest child; Daniel."

It seems EXTREMELY unlikely that a son who witnessed the Terminator (per IMDB it was Danny Dyson who was present when the Terminator came to Dr. Dyson's house), the attempted murder of his dad, and was present for the planning of the destruction of Skynet's Cyberdyne would use his dad's original research to create a future his dad had died in an attempt to prevent. I am just suggesting that the person who authored this section back up this claim as it is extremely weak logically and even if it is true just shows bad writing in my view.

This was removed a long while ago, but I want it kept in discussions if not in the article with my personal objection to anyone who removed this article that this character deserves its own article for being iconic and that this be included: "Perhaps one of the better scenes of self-sacrifice in American cinema, displaying very great emotional loss, Dyson Joe Morton is directly responsible for the destruction of the CyberDyne Building when he drops a weight onto a remote detonation device at the moment of his own death due to being wounded by an assault team's gunfire."

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.33.242.80 (talk)  

Additionally, the whole line of thought has historical and real-world relevance and significance.69.95.39.34 23:20, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

"...real-world relevance and significance." Huh?--70.142.37.178 11:57, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

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Tyson's Kids

I dimly remember Dyson's kids being in one of the Terminator comic books. I think it should be noted in a 'Comic' section. Lots42 (talk) 04:00, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

wrong dyson....

Miles Dyson is a DJ. Many pages referring to the DJ link to this page (Dyson disambiguation page even links here saying he's a DJ) --71.190.175.242 (talk) 06:42, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

I removed the link from the dab page, as there is no Wikipedia article about a DJ named Miles Dyson. --IllaZilla (talk) 07:04, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

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