Talk:Michael Bennett (theater)

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Neutrality[edit]

The main A Chorus Line paints a very different picture of Bennett's role in ACL than this article does. hbdragon88 (talk) 23:26, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've rewritten it. hbdragon88 (talk) 03:20, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The genius of Bennett section[edit]

The section reads either like original research or--hopefully-- material from some good reliable references/sources. Either way, this section seems to be counter to several key guidelines: No original research WP:NOR and Verifiability WP:VERIFY, and should be revised/deleted/sourced as appropriate. JeanColumbia (talk) 11:50, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Post-separation relationship with McKechnie[edit]

One of these two contradictory sentences should be deleted, perhaps both: "In spite of the divorce the two remained close friends until his death. However, in the 2006 revival of A Chorus Line's biopic, "Every Little Step", McKechnie indicated she was persona non grata since their separation in 1977 til his death, which she read about in a newspaper." NeoAdamite (talk) 23:12, 12 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 3 November 2016[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: pages moved as follows:

, using "theater" rather than "theatre" since the person is American. (non-admin closure) GeoffreyT2000 (talk, contribs) 20:25, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

– TL/DR - Michael Bennett isn't the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC (fails usage), so it should be moved to Michael Bennett (director) which then allows the existing DAB of Michael Bennett (disambiguation) to move to Michael Bennett per WP:DABNAME ("The title of a disambiguation page is the ambiguous term itself, provided there is no primary topic for that term."). UW Dawgs (talk) 02:42, 3 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Here are the two relevant criteria for WP:PRIMARYTOPIC:

There is no single criterion for defining a primary topic. However, there are two major aspects that are commonly discussed in connection with primary topics:

A topic is primary for a term, with respect to usage, if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term.
A topic is primary for a term, with respect to long-term significance, if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term.

Michael Bennett is an incredibly common name as you might suspect. See Michael Bennett (disambiguation), including:

Michael Bennett (1943–1987) was an American musical theater director, writer, choreographer, and dancer.

Michael Bennett (cricketer) (1909–1982), Somerset cricketer
Michael Bennett (cyclist) (born 1949), British Olympic cyclist
Michael Bennett (boxer) (born 1971), American professional boxer
Michael Bennett (running back) (born 1978), American football player
Michael Bennett (defensive lineman, born 1985), American football player
Michael Bennett (defensive tackle, born 1993), American football player
Michael Bennett (film director), New Zealand writer and director
Michael John Bennett, Wisconsin State Assemblyman
Michael S. Bennett (born 1945), Florida State Senator
Michael Bennett (book series), a series of thriller books by best-selling author James Patterson

Variations on the name:

Mike Bennett (wrestler), American professional wrestler
Mike Bennett (rugby league) (born 1980), English professional rugby league player
Mike Bennett (writer), British script writer, playwright and record producer
Michael Bennet (born 1964), U.S. Senator from Colorado, Former Superintendent of the Denver public school system

with respect to usage, here are the last 90 days of page views for each article via tools.wmflabs.org as linked via each Article ("Page information" (left nav) > "Page view statistics" (footer)):

Michael Bennett - 14,294 page views, on the current PRIMARYTOPIC

Michael Bennett (cricketer) - 90
Michael Bennett (cyclist) - 846
Michael Bennett (boxer) - 1,143
Michael Bennett (running back) - 11,139
Michael Bennett (defensive lineman, born 1985) - 125,949
Michael Bennett (defensive tackle, born 1993) - 9,730
Michael Bennett (film director) - 357
Michael John Bennett - 62
Michael S. Bennett - 479
Michael Bennett (book series) - 3,801

Variations on the name:

So re usage, Michael Bennett with 14,294 page views clearly cannot be the PRIMARYTOPIC ("more likely than all the other topics combined") when there is 10x more usage (150k+ page views) on the other "Michael Bennett (xxx)" articles.

evaluating long-term significance therefore becomes irrelevant, as we're not trying to determine a new PRIMARYTOPIC, such as Michael Bennett (defensive lineman, born 1985).

Absent a valid PRIMARYTOPIC, WP:DABNAME says "The title of a disambiguation page is the ambiguous term itself, provided there is no primary topic for that term." Hence the two proposed moves.

Support as nom. UW Dawgs (talk) 02:45, 3 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support well reasoned case for disambiguation rather than primary. Dicklyon (talk) 03:37, 3 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support, clearly not the primary topic. I'm honestly surprised this was never brought up even before the defensive lineman became prominent. Lizard (talk) 03:45, 3 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support well spotted. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:51, 3 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I agree, he's not the primary topic. However, the proposed new title is ambiguous due to Michael Bennett (film director). Perhaps move this Bennett to Michael Bennett (theater director)? Nohomersryan (talk) 01:24, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment "Michael Bennett (April 8, 1943 – July 2, 1987) was an American musical theater director, writer, choreographer, and dancer." might translate to "Michael Bennett (theater)" given his varied background. UW Dawgs (talk) 01:53, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - Agree with (theater) parenthetical. Lizard (talk) 01:59, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Mostly support (theater) but anyway, great find. I doubt the lineman has a shot at primary topic, especially including the Mikes, so a dab page works well. Red Slash 17:42, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support move per all above. ONR (talk) 00:28, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support either form: Michael Bennett (theater) or Michael Bennett (theater director). —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 03:19, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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