Talk:Mayfair Open

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Tournament name[edit]

User:WilliamJE moved this article from Mayfair Open to Sanford Women's Open. That is the name used in two newspaper accounts but that is not the name the LPGA uses. In their Tournament Chronology here and in Hagge's profile here, they use Mayfair Open. There was a time when newspapers refused to use the official name of a tournament if it was named after a corporate sponsor, considering it free advertising. They would use a city-based name instead.

I propose moving the article back to Mayfair Open and changing the text accordingly while mentioning the Sanford Women's Open as an alternate name. Tewapack (talk) 20:53, 4 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The matter of whether the LPGA or the press getting the tournament title wrong, well I've seen plenty of mistakes from both. Let me point this out, PGA Tour tournaments were held at Mayfair in the 1950s. Less than two months before the LPGA tournament, the press covered a PGA Tour tournament there and referred[1] to it as Mayfair Inn- William 18:30, 7 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The LPGA, as cited above by Tewapack, The World Golf Hall of Fame, and The Golf Channel all refer to the tournament as "The Mayfair Open." It appears that the title "Sanford Women's Open" may have been a local convention used in the press, but not the official title. I agree with Tewapack that the article should be moved back with a reference to the alternate name.--Crunch (talk) 01:31, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Golf Channel, created some twenty years ago, is no authority as to what happened fifty years ago. They copy from other sources, including wikipedia. The World Golf Hall of Fame and the LPGA recordkeeping(Which I give more weight to than GC) could be wrong, and the latter's recordkeeping has many holes in it. Check the all-time record for double eagles, no mention of ones made by Donna White or Mickey Wright, but both those golfers have scored an albatross. In 2007 the media reported that only Se Ri Pak, A. Sorenstam, and Mickey Wright were the only golfers to win the same tournament five times. The LPGA recordbooks omitted Kathy Whitworth winning the Orange Blossom Classic/St. Petersburg LPGA Tour stop five time. Eventually the LPGA corrected their Whitworth mistake but the ones on Wright and White still remain.

Juli Inkster's bio page at LPGA.com says her playoff record is 6-3 but Golf observer and other sources give it as 6-4. Which is what it truly is.

The further one gets away in time from an event, the more likely the story is to get twisted. Hundreds of articles have been written on the 1969 Ryder Cup and 'the concession' saying that Nicklaus and Jacklin both made par and that the match ended with Nicklaus conceding Jacklin the putt. Unfortunately, AP reports that Jacklin and Nicklaus made birdie not par and SI reports that Nicklaus had to make a five-footer to insure the tie. Amazingly enough too, both articles make no mention of a concession putt! See my citations in the 1969 section of Ryder Cup.

Back to the Sanford Women's Open, we have one not two articles that cite this as its name and the point Tewapack raised I have already countered with yet another article that supports my thesis.- William 13:26, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Golf Channel, the LPGA, and the World Golf Hall of Fame all refer to the tournament as the Mayfair Open. It's unlikely that all three are wrong. Further, the fact that Golf Observer has incorrect data for Juli Inkster is completely irrelevant. No one is citing Golf Observer in this case. Article title has been changed per the consensus reached in this discussion. --Crunch (talk) 05:47, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a cite that supports my newspaper/corporate name issue [2] (last paragraph on page 16). Newspapers also used the Mayfair name, here, dated May 1960. And remember, google doesn't have all newspapers digitized, so there could be lots of references out there to "Mayfair Open", that we'll never find. Tewapack (talk) 23:12, 14 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The LPGA can't be wrong about a tournament's name....Try again[edit]

Case in point- The 1976 Women's International. It is listed here[3] and here[4]] by the name Ladies Masters at Moss Creek at the LPGA website.

Read this and its references- When the tournament was first announced in January 1976 it was titled the Ladies Masters and sponsors said they would pattern the event similar to the Masters Tournament.^[1]. A little over a month later the LPGA announced the tournament's name was being changed to the Women's International.^[2] This happened after Masters Tournament officials contacted the tournament's sponsor and threatened to go to court unless the word Masters wasn't removed from the tournament title.^[3]

Sally Little, an eventual winner of 15 LPGA tournaments including two major championships, won the inaugural Women's International by one shot over Jan Stephenson after holing out from a sand trap on the tournament's 72nd hole.^[4]

The Tournament was the Women's International not the Ladies Masters as the LPGA says. I consider we retitle this tournament appropriately. What the tournament was named in the media at the time it happened I consider more convincing than the LPGA's shoddy recordkeeping- William 20:31, 14 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] Ladies Masters added to LPGA slate in May

[2] Ladies' Masters changes name

[3] LPGA is denied Masters name

[4] Sally Little captures first LPGA win

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