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5 million[edit]

An Anon added

numbering well over 5 million people

This isn't a complete sentence and it is unsourced. Can we veriofy this before putting it back in the article? RJFJR 01:38, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Some strange edits[edit]

A user here made some strange additions which I initially reverted as vandalism. But they might be something in a different language so I put them back; it does look strange but I don't know... Feel free to remove the additions if they're irrelavent or really are nonsense.--Konstable 14:04, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The slight knowledge I have of Somali clans and of the language suggests that the list of Majeeteen clans, although some real ones have been added or reinserted recently (the top half dozen), is mainly vandalism, sometimes quite obscene. 82.44.68.250 11:18, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Needs updating[edit]

Doesn't address current political involvement, politicians including the current Somali PM and all territories where the clan resides.26oo (talk) 07:51, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Move to Majeerteen (clan)[edit]

It is better if we move the article from Majeerteen to "Majeerteen (clan)", to distinguish it from the Sultanate, just like Ajuuraan (clan). And make the Majeerteen article a disambiguation page, giving a choise to read the article about the Sultanate or about the clan. Runehelmet (talk) 13:08, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unnecessary. The Majeerteen Sultanate was never referred to alone as "Majeerteen", so there's no disambiguation needed. It was either called the Majeerteen Sultanate, the Sultanate of Majerteen, or Majeerteenia/Migiurtinia. The Ajuran (clan) dab-page also redirects to Hawiye. Middayexpress (talk) 15:00, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Deegaana aydagaan majeerteenka kilinka dagan waxa kamida, bookh,galaadi,qaloocan,walwaal.. Itini (talk) 09:29, 9 October 2017 (UTC) The article skips some sup clans- please double check — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamahg (talk • contribs) 05:52, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ali Saleebaan[edit]

Ali Saleebaan is sub clan of Majeerteen ([1] A326 (talk--A326 21:59, 14 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the correct link is: http://www.sciencespo.fr/ceri/sites/sciencespo.fr.ceri/files/The_Puntland_State_of_Somalia.pdf (the link you posted prompts me to log in). I'm aware that Ali Saleebaan is a Majeerteen subclan (and that there are many more subclans), but I'm working at this from the perspective of the Wikipedia:Verifiability policy. That said, the source you provided is helpful. I have updated the article to reflect what I've read in the source you provided, but I've moved Ali Saleebaan out of the tree listing and written a paragraph instead (also about the Mahamuud Saleeban grouping). The thing about placing Ali Saleebaan in the way that you did, is that the list was derived from two sources that don't show that Ali Saleebaan as part of the tree (and furthermore, you didn't place it as a subclan of Majeerteen, you placed it at the same level). So I've left it in the article, and cited your source for it, but it's no longer depicted in that tree – because that's not how those sources listed these clans. We are trying to avoid having the clan listing become unwieldy and indiscriminate, like it was a few years ago: example. I can't imagine how that list could be useful to anyone. See previous discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Somalia#Clan lineage. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 04:52, 15 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is in response to a question at A326's talk page, but I think it's better to address it here. Ali Saleebaan is currently a redirect to this article. 26oo created the redirect, and may wish to weigh in here, but I think I can answer some questions as to why it is a redirect instead of a standalone article. But first, please note that I and other editors have done the same thing for other subclan articles that had similar issues, so we are not singling out Ali Saleebaan (see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Somalia#Sub-clan articles and redirects for more info). The old Ali Saleebaan version had a clan tree that cited the same two sources as in the Majeerteen article, but the clan tree was completely different, and the sources didn't support it. Most of the rest of the article did not cite any sources, for example a lengthy list of notable persons – this kind of list should only include people for whom we already have existing Wikipedia articles, and those articles should actually mention (and cite a source for) the person's clan affiliation. (Again, in all fairness, I do this sort of cleanup for other Somali clan articles, and Ethiopia-related articles, when I see it. See WP:WTAF and WP:Source list.) Then there is a table of Sultanate rulers that does not cite a source (and, again, should link to existing articles – WP:WTAF). If we remove all of that, we are left with one sentence, "The majority of the Ali Saleebaan live in the Bari and Jubbada Hoose regions (gobolka) in northeastern and southwestern Somalia, as well as the Yeman, Oman and the North Eastern Province", that cites a source, but isn't actually backed up by it (Politics, Language, and Thought: The Somali Experience, p. 71, at Google Books). That page in that source is about British involvement with the Majeerteen and others in the area. When I search that book, I can't find anything about Ali Saleebaan, but it may be due to different spellings. Still, when we put all this together, there really isn't sufficient content for a stand-alone article. None of this is meant to deny the existence of Ali Saleebaan, or its importance etc., but what we are able to create based on reliable sources. Thanks, - Gyrofrog (talk) 17:10, 15 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Gyrofrog I'll create a new article for Ali Saleebaan , and I'll provided reliable sources thanks a lot A326 (talk--A326 17:47, 15 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
May I suggest working on a draft first? For example at Draft:Ali Saleebaan. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 18:19, 15 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I worked please check thanks A326 (talk--A326 19:09, 15 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]


A326, I'd need more time to work on it myself, but a couple of things: (1) You cited page 17 of the Roland Marchal source, which doesn't say anything (on that page) about the places where they live, other than moving in to territory that another clan inhabited. Elsewhere in the Marchal source, it does specify some places where some Ali Saleebaan live, but those aren't the same places mentioned in your sentence. However, you could use the Marchal citation in place of, or along with, the first citation to SomaliaReport. (2) Again, the Clan listing and Sultanate leaders are problematic, as I described in my earlier comment today. Thanks, -- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:22, 15 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Ok I let you work by self thanks A326 (talk--A326 20:37, 15 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've edited the draft based on the comments I've made. Currently, the text is nearly the same as in this article (and based on the Marchal source) and, as of now, we wouldn't gain anything with a stand-alone article. I believe I've incorporated everything from the source where Ali Saleebaan/Cali Saleebaan was mentioned. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 17:21, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
songs good Gyrofrog A326 (talk--A326 --A326 15:09, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article is highly male centric[edit]

Doesn't include famous Majeerteen females and feminists, such as Amina Boqor, Ayan Hirsi Ali and Iman Bowie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NoShaqo (talk • contribs) 07:25, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 February 2020[edit]

[The Majerteen]...is a Somali clan family, part of the Harti clan which itself belongs to the largest Somali clan-family — the Darod.[1][2][3] Shirshore (talk) 12:53, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Somalia: Minorities and indigenous peoples". Minority Rights Group International. Retrieved 18 September 2019.
  2. ^ Lewis, Ioan M (1999). A Pastoral Democracy: A Study of Pastoralism and Politics Among the Northern Somali of the Horn of Africa. James Currey Publishers. p. 12. ISBN 9780852552803. Retrieved 18 September 2019.
  3. ^ Lewis, Ioan M (July 1959). "Clanship and Contract in Northern Somaliland". Africa: Journal of the International African Institute. 29 (3): 274. doi:10.2307/1157617. JSTOR 1157617. Retrieved 18 September 2019.
 Not done: See further down in the lede: ...Its members form a part of the Darod clan family Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:18, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 March 2020[edit]

This is a list of the names of the Majeerteen Sub-clans, arranged according to seniority and list shown in this article is not completed :

1-Wabeeneeye 2-Aawe 3-Tabale 4-Amaanle 5-Nuux (Reer Nuux) 6-C/Kariim noolays (Tiftif) 7-Cabdalla noolays (Daanweyne) 8-Muuse noolays (Idigfacle) 9-Allamagan Xajiijle (Amartiwaaq) 10-Maxamuud Xajiijle (Reer waa Rag) 11-Axmed Xajiijle (Gumasoor) 12-Maxamed Talareer (Wadalmoge) 13-Xusseen Talareer (Siwaaqroon) 14-Guddoonwaaq 15-Cali umad nabi 16-Cumar (Reer Cumar) 17-Ismaaciil Jibraahiil 18-Saalax Jibraahiil 19-Nuux Jibraahiil 20-Cali Jibraahiil 21-Raxiim Ibraahiim 22-Aadan Ibraahiim 23-Ismaaciil Ibraahiim 24-Cabdalla Ibraahiim 25-Maxamuud Ibraahiim (Reer Maxamuud) 26-Cali Ibraahiim (Reer Biciidyahan) 27-Aadan Maxamed 28-C/Raxiim Saleebaan 29-Ismaaciil Saleebaan 30-Muuse Saleebaan (Ugaar Saleebaan) 31-Cali Saleebaan 32-Maxamuud Saleebaan Boqorka ummada (talk) 11:27, 1 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 14:47, 1 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 May 2020[edit]

 Not done. No request. Alpha3031 (t • c) 00:54, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 19 May 2021[edit]

please add this sub clan of majeerteen, Yuusuf xajiijle (Nuurkii Qabe) 83.110.88.147 (talk) 08:08, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:30, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 21 August 2021[edit]

Mj isn't an ethnicity but a clan please fix that and thank you MasterHipHo (talk) 01:32, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —Sirdog (talk) 01:56, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 17 October 2021[edit]

It's not an ethnic group. 71.195.20.108 (talk) 01:12, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --Ferien (talk) 12:32, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Majeerteen is not an ethnic group, it's Somalis, it's like saying Prussia is ethnic Prussian, not German.

"Somalia: Minorities and indigenous peoples". Minority Rights Group International. Retrieved 18 September 2019. 

Lewis, Ioan M (1999). A Pastoral Democracy: A Study of Pastoralism and Politics Among the Northern Somali of the Horn of Africa. James Currey Publishers. p. 12. ISBN 9780852552803. Retrieved 18 September 2019.
Lewis, Ioan M (July 1959). "Clanship and Contract in Northern Somaliland". Africa: Journal of the International African Institute. 29 (3): 274. doi:10.2307/1157617. JSTOR 1157617. Retrieved 18 September 2019.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.195.20.108 (talk) 17:18, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I want to fix you in one Point.[edit]

When you talk about (MAHAMUD SALEEBAAN) You said MAHAMUD SALEEBAAN Contains • Osman MAHAMUD • Omar Mohamud • Iise MAHAMUD

But there is another clan that is MAXAMUUD SALEEBAAN

Where is • NOOH MAHAMUUD They Are Live In lower Jubba Specialy Kismaayo So Please Look at that point and correct it Thanks 197.220.89.41 (talk) 13:26, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cabdale ibrahim[edit]

Cabdle ibrahim (عبدلي إبراهيم )is a sub-caln of majeerteen calan Omarbarre252 (talk) 14:51, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Amaanle[edit]

amaanle are divided in to two. 1: geelwanagle 2: sooface and they were the first kingdom of majerteen 194.230.146.9 (talk) 18:53, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Amaanle[edit]

amaanle are divided in to two. 1: geelwanagle 2: sooface and they were the first kingdom of majerteen Mohamud jamac100 (talk) 19:01, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 18 March 2023[edit]

Alinacnac (talk) 05:10, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Majeerteen Sultanate, there was a sultanate known as the Sultanate of Amaanle, which was founded by a leader named Abdirahman Awe, also known as Awe Amaanle. The Sultanate of Amaanle was located in the same general region as the Majeerteen Sultanate, which is in modern-day Somalia.

According to historical records, Abdirahman Awe founded the Sultanate of Amaanle in the late 18th century, and it became one of the most powerful and influential states in the region. The sultanate was known for its military strength, and it engaged in many wars and conflicts with neighboring states.

Amaanle is a name of great significance in Somali culture and history. It means “the one who is honored”, and it was the title given to those rulers that held power over the Sultanate of Amaanle. The Sultanate was an ancient kingdom located in what is now known as Puntland, located in northern Somalia.

In the early 19th century, the Sultanate of Amaanle was overthrown by a rival leader named Osman Mahamuud, who went on to establish the Majeerteen Sultanate. Osman Mahamuud was a skilled military leader and strategist, and he was able to defeat Abdirahman Awe's forces in battle.

The Sultanate of Amaanle held immense power over its people for centuries but eventually fell due to growing unrest among its citizens who felt oppressed by harsh demands imposed upon them by their leader's rule. As well as this internal dissentment from within, external forces such as foreign invasions also contributed towards the downfall of this once-powerful empire which ultimately led to it being overthrown during a period known today as 'The Great Rebellion'.

After the defeat of the Sultanate of Amaanle, Abdirahman Awe was captured and executed, while many of his followers were either killed or forced to flee the region. Osman Mahamuud then established the Majeerteen Sultanate, which became one of the most powerful and prosperous states in the region until its eventual collapse in the 20th century.

The Sultanate of Amaanle was one of the many sultanates and states that emerged in the Horn of Africa region during the pre-colonial period. It was known for its strong military and for its trade relations with other states in the region, particularly the city-states of the Somali coast.

The sultanate was based in the region around the modern-day town of Galkacyo in central Somalia, and it controlled a significant portion of the Somali interior. It was a prosperous state that relied on trade, agriculture, and livestock herding for its economic development.

Abdirahman Awe, the founder of the Sultanate of Amaanle, was a respected leader and warrior who was able to unite various clans and tribes in the region under his rule. He was known for his military prowess and for his diplomatic skills in negotiating alliances and treaties with neighboring states.

The Sultanate of Amaanle lasted for several decades before it was overthrown by Osman Mahamuud, the founder of the Majeerteen Sultanate. The reasons for its downfall are not entirely clear, but it is believed that internal conflicts, external pressures from neighboring states, and Osman Mahamuud's military campaigns all played a role in its decline.

Despite its eventual collapse, the Sultanate of Amaanle played an important role in the history and development of Somalia, and it is remembered as one of the early states that contributed to the formation of the modern Somali state.Alinacnac (talk) 05:22, 18 March 2023 (UTC)Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Lightoil (talk) 08:19, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 17 February 2024[edit]

Please include that the Majerteens founded SYL. Also for the notable people, why is actors at the front? put that at the end. Truthsomali (talk) 01:55, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 00:03, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amartiwaaq[edit]

You mentioned some clans with their real names between two brackets and some left without mentioning the real name

My clan is Amartiwaaq and the real name is (Allamagan xijiijle)

Also you forgot to add Gumasoor (Axmed Xijiijle)

last thing: Reer maxamuud is mentioned two times one before wadalmoge and one after reer umar. Xabaalan (talk) 17:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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