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Archive 1

Sons Accident (Updated 26 September 2013)

I am surprised this mentions nothing of her appearance on Celebrity Ghost Stories since they did an entire episode on her story "Celebrity Ghost Stories Presents: The Haunting of Loretta Lynn" it was at Hurricane Mills Plantation where she had talked about ghosts in her home and had a psychic medium over to get answers BUT more than that she actually discusses (as much as she emotionally can) what happened with her son and she can't even continue talking about him. I just felt that this special and it taking place at her beautiful property and the personal things it reveals was worthy of mention on her page!

Here is the link for the episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTLY0MiU-Hc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.188.81.255 (talk) 18:14, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Born WHERE??

"Born in Butcher Holler"? SHouldn't this be "Butcher Hollow"? I don't believe "Holler" is a word, and if wikipedia is a factual-based encyclopedia it whould be properly spelled, not some attempted to portray the artcle as some hick-ified country bumpkin article. This would be the same as some wiki article describing a black female as a "biyatch". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.48.206.198 (talk) 15:24, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Well if you had actually taken time to read the article for Butcher Hollow, you would have read and perhaps comprehended that BOTH names are correct. It's really odd that you're even "biayching" about this because you changed the content anyway so it looks like you just left this message to rant about something trivial that you changed. I also find it funny (well, sad) that you're ranting about spelling but can't even spell the word 'would' right. Whould? lol 24.72.176.240 (talk) 16:25, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, I wondered about this, but watching the Loretta Lynn special tonight on PBS (American Masters), many road signs were shown and all that I saw said "Butcher Holler". It would seem that at least amongst the locals, "Butcher Holler" is preferred. Perhaps the article should reflect that, even if both are "acceptable". Bill Jefferys (talk) 03:39, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

According to Web11, the preeminent authority for publishing in the USA, the correct spelling of the word in question is "hollow" – even though some, most, or all of the locals mispronounce it as "holler" – and even though some of the local signs, perhaps with a figurative tongue in cheek, misspell it as "holler".

The Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, so let's spell "hollow" correctly.

As always, best wishes to all,

Doc – DocRushing (talk) 06:06, 5 March 2016 (UTC).

Loretta and Her Presidents

Someone put "citation needed" in the paragraph concerning Loretta's interaction with Presidents Nixon and Carter. Loretta's autobiographies are the source for this information. In COAL MINER'S DAUGHTER, she recalls the stir caused in the media by calling Nixon by his first name, in STILL WOMAN ENOUGH she discusses her longtime friendship and support for Carter. Teeb 17 December 2006.

Millionaire

Not sure where to put it, but, Loretta Lynn was the first woman in C/W music to become a millionaire. Trekphiler 04:07, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Why not just stick it at the end or her biography, right after her awards? I don't know if there's enough info to create a trivia section or not. Maltmomma ^(chat) 14:11, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I would if I could source it... I've also heard she was first female C/W artist to get a gold record. Anybody confirm? Trekphiler 04:29, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

I believe Kitty Wells was the first woman to become a millionaire in the country music industry - I've seen the comment in articles on her and it seems likely, given Wells toured with her own road show (where singers make their big money as opposed to records) since the 1950's while Loretta Lynn did not have her own road show until the early 1970's, being tied to the Wilburn Bros. show for years. - Teeb

Paranormal

Loretta has stated several times that she and her mother had "the sight", or psychic gifts. In her tv special on her home she mentions not only that but that her home is haunted by ghosts, and the infamous "blue room". Not sure if this warrents entry or not, but I thought I'd put it out there. Artemisboy 00:07, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

==Son's accident== (updated 26th of September, 2013) I am surprised this mentions nothing of her appearance on Celebrity Ghost Stories since they did an entire episode on her story "Celebrity Ghost Stories Presents: The Haunting of Loretta Lynn" it was at Hurricane Mills Plantation where she had talked about ghosts in her home and had a psychic medium over to get answers BUT more than that she actually discusses (as much as she emotionally can) what happened with her son and she can't even continue talking about him. I just felt that this special and it taking place at her beautiful property and the personal things it reveals was worthy of mention on her page!

Here is the link for the episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTLY0MiU-Hc

Lost a son to a freak accident? What was his name, and what was the accident?

I am pretty sure it was a horse riding accident on her ranch. As I recall, he was riding across a creek, the horse fell, and he was pinned and drowned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.127.179.10 (talk) 21:11, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

birthdate and age at marriage

Different online sources report her birth year as either 1934 or 1935. The marriage date of January 1948 seems consistently reported. The biography on her official site says she was married when she was "barely 14" [1] which could read as "not quite 14" if 1934 is the correct birth year. Anyone got a hardcopy of either of the two published autobiographies? Meanwhile I changed the birth year in the article to 1934, to be consistent with the official site, but further checking would be helpful. Phr 14:31, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Loretta has never acknowledged her year of birth at any point in her career from what I have read. She does not mention the year in either autobiography. 1935 has been used throughout her career, possibly just a guess from Decca publicists. Given that Loretta has always stated she married at 13 and that her marriage in January 10, 1948 is a fact, 1934 is probably correct. It's also possible the 1935 date was guessed at by journalists knowing she married at 13 in 1948 not considering that she married early in the year. - Teeb

Her Kentucky Birth Index entry says 14 April 1932.[2] --Fallout boy 19:32, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

- If we want to be certain, we will need to wait until the 1940 Census becomes public and search it then.184.100.40.242 (talk) 05:42, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Article says she was 12 in one place and 13 in another, when she got married. Can we get a consensus so we can at least agree with ourselves? 138.162.128.52 (talk) 13:57, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

I wonder if it would be better to list the potential birth dates at the beginning, and then through the article use the known dates and ages where appropriate. For example, the marriage date in 1948 seems certain (but her age at marriage is not), and maybe the age that she's given the guitar (21) is certain (or more certain), but we don't know if this was 1953/54/55 or 56. Certainly, all the dates from her career are on record, so years there would be nice. At a minimum, perhaps state from the outset of the article that ages listed are based on such and such a birth date. 60.240.207.146 (talk) 03:12, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

I hope this new article clears everything up and that we can ageree once and for all she was born in 1932. Crisso (talk) 19:58, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Indeed — the Associated Press is one of the world's most reliable sources. I'll substitute that cite for the dead-link cite to Country Weekly magazine — where even the archived version of that page doesn't say what it supposedly cites here. --Tenebrae (talk) 23:01, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Kids today

I don't see any mention of The Lynns, formed by 2 of her daughters (who I can't name...). Can anybody confirm & include? Trekphiler 02:47, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

one of the most famous women in all of America

The statement "In the 1970's she became one of the most famous women in all of America..." is not NPOV.

The part about her brother or son living in a dumpster????

Revisions: Original information not as they were ?

I was reviewing the old listing and it seems, the original listing mentioned that the owner of Zero REcords was Buck...and that he started the company for that reaason to promote Loretta Lynn.

I cannot seem to find that in the old revisions...?

Am I doing something wrong ?

--Caesar J. B. Squitti : Son of Maryann Rosso and Arthur Natale Squitti 16:56, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

cleanup and sources

I did a big cleanup on the article, mostly dealing with choppy sentence structure and bad grammar. But I would like to get some sources here, and maybe more on her legacy (i.e. what do/did other C/W people in think about her). I will bop around the internet, but if anyone has a copy of either of her autobiographies and could add citations, that would be great. Natalie 00:16, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

bad sources

In the "Early Years" section, this site is given as a source, but it says nothing about Lynn at all. This cite is given for other information in the same paragraph, but I doubt its reliability. The only information about Lynn and Don Grashey is one uncited sentence ("One of his claims to fame is discovering Loretta Lynn") buried in an article about another band. I am removing the information cited by these sources, since they directly contradict the info in Lynn's official bio and are not reliable. Natalie 00:46, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Birthplace

Loretta was born in Butcher HOLLER, NOT HOLLOW, Kentucky. you poor city folk need to get that straight !!!!!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.158.250.63 (talk • contribs) 02:10, 12 April 2007

Actually, Butcher Hollow is not incorrect. Holler is a "local color" pronounciation of Hollow. And Butcher Hollow is how it is listed in this encyclopedia.

Also:

There is no need to insult "city folk"
Only one exclamation point is needed. More than one doesn't help your argument (such as it is).
Sign your comments

--Objix (talk) 01:36, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Hollow is indeed incorrect. Everyone from the area in Kentucky refers to it as Butcher Holler. 16:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)16:15, 6 April 2009 (UTC)~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.152.136.102 (talk)

Actually, again, it is not incorrect. While "everyone from the area" may pronounce it as Butcher Holler, it is still spelled Butcher Hollow. Please refer to this map of the area. You will see that roads are named Butcher Hollow, Jade Moore Hollow Road, Akers Hollow Road, Storehouse Hollow, Spence Hollow Road, etc. None of them are spelled Holler, even if they may be pronounced that way. Please stop changing the spelling in the article.Objix (talk) 06:33, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

That may be what the maps say, but the signs that I saw on tonight's PBS special on Loretta Lynn (American Masters), at least the ones I saw, all said "Butcher Holler". That seems to be what the locals use. Bill Jefferys (talk) 03:47, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Fuck off douchebag! It is HOLLER. Ask Loretta Lynn herself!

There is no reason for that language or hostility here. If you can't be civil, please leave wikipedia alone. Objix (talk) 06:44, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

I've taken the trouble of looking this up on the most official source I could find, the USGS, and they seem to think that it is spelt Butcher Hollow. The link is: http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic/f?p=gnispq:3:::NO::P3_FID:488496 Whilst I can find some evidence for local spellings of Butcher Holler, I can't find any reference that could be included here. This page has a picture: http://www.jotravels.com/lorettalynn/ but other pictures (of better quality signs) on that page have the name as Butcher Hollow. On balance it seems that Butcher Holler is a local dialectal variant of the same name, but until the local community petition the USGS, it looks like it will remain, officially, Butcher Hollow. 60.240.207.146 (talk) 14:24, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

My guess as to what happened: The locals called it (and have always called it) "Butcher Holler". But when the USGS was given the task to put onto maps, they decided to "correct" the locals and spell it with what they considered to be the approved dictionary spelling "Hollow". And of course the officials in the highway department who make the "official" signs pretty much have to follow what the USGS says. So their signs follow that convention.

But as I said, all the signs I noticed in tonight's PBS special on Loretta Lynn spelled it "Holler". Not all of these were crude handwritten signs but some were. So the locals seem to want to call it what they've always called it, "Holler". The question is (and I guess this is a question to the Wikipedia folks that have some sort of policy on this), should the article follow the "official" spelling, which was "correcting" the "ignorant" local folks who "didn't know how to spell the name of their place", or should the article follow what the local folks have always called that place? I don't know the answer. Maybe someone else does.

An aside: There are many words in Shakespeare's compendium that are spelled and pronounced differently from how they would now be pronounced. The language used in this part of Appalachia is actually closer to 17th century English than is the English of the more sophisticated and urbanized parts of the country. Do we "correct" Shakespeare's spelling and pronunciation because we now know that those words are different from what they were in Shakespeare's time? Should we "correct" the spelling of the local in this area because the USGS has gone to the dictionary and found that "holler" and "hollow" now mean different things and that in modern, urbanized English it should be "hollow"? Just food for thought. Bill Jefferys (talk) 04:14, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Seems to me that its all moot whether it's "Hollow" or "Holler" since someone has edited the page to say that she was born in Ashland, KY, which is incorrect according to her official fan website; see: http://www.lorettalynn.com/50/?page_id=2. I've contacted her management on this error.

CFAB (no wiki sign in) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.132.144.213 (talk) 23:07, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Year of birth

The year of birth was changed with this [3] edit from 1935 to 1934 with no given source. In six interwikis it is 1934, only in et:Loretta Lynn it is 1935, but this article is new and perhaps based on this one. -- Ilion2 14:32, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Better use above thread Talk:Loretta Lynn#birthdate and age at marriage for discussion about this. --Ilion2 (talk) 06:04, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Birth Order

Begining of article states that she is the 2nd of 8 children. Later on the page, she is listed as the eldest of 8 children. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.39.161.74 (talk) 17:56, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Politics

If she has supported and maintained friendships with both Republican and Democratic presidents, on what grounds is she believed to be a Republican, as stated in the article? I see no citation. fishhead64 (talk) 21:30, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

George Herbert Walker Bush - I had to think about this for a moment; who on earth refers to the former president as such? George Bush, Snr would be more appropriate.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.237.201.72 (talk • contribs) 00:38, 11 June 2007

This has been fixed.--Objix (talk) 01:45, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

There is no mention made of Lorettas' relationship to Daniel Boone.I am a distant cousin of hers and have done a family tree.The Webb family married into the Boone family.Daniel is her first cousin,six times removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.188.147.27 (talk) 12:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

'Don't Come Home A Drinkin' album sales

--Skytorch (talk) 17:40, 1 April 2011 (UTC) Loved the article but wanted to correct one error. Indeed Loretta's album 'Don't Come Home A Drinkin' was one of the first country female albums to go gold. Bobbie Gentry's Ode to Billie Joe' was the first in the same year of 1967. Loretta's album ,however, did not sell 500,000 copies that year for gold record status. In the 1960's albums were awarded a gold record certificate for million dollar retail sales which translated to about 250,000 units, still a substantial sum for this era. In the 1970's the R.I.A.A changed the rules adding a platinium award for 1 million album unit sales and a gold album was awarded for 500,000 unit sales. Ironically artists like Jeanie C. Riley and Bobbie Gentry never received platinium awards for their million selling albums of the 1960's Loretta's album would remain a consistant seller and pass the 500,000 unit mark years later. SkytorchSkytorch (talk) 17:40, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

movies

why was Patsy Cline a big part of "coal miner's daughter" but Loretta Lynn was never mentioned in "Sweet Dreams"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.153.206.26 (talk) 16:48, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Removed "bra burning" reference

Removed the phrase "bra burning" from the Women's Liberation movement reference at the end, as "bra burning" is an urban legend-http://www.snopes.com/history/american/burnbra.asp 76.102.205.90 (talk) 05:58, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Marriage age

I came here to find out if it was true, as I had heard, that she married at 13. The current version of the article states in the lead that she married at 15, but later in the article says she married just after turning 14. Which one is it? 98.82.22.234 (talk) 22:55, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

FWIW, the Loretta Lynn special this evening on PBS's "American Masters" says she was 15 when she was married and explicitly says that 13 is wrong. Bill Jefferys (talk) 04:17, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

I agree that the marriage age should be 13. Both her website and the movie Coal Miner's Daughter say she is "barely 13" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:5C2:C400:52F6:50D3:FD8D:E582:C042 (talk) 14:56, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Lynn's own website and a movie (which is partially fictionalized) don't count as reliable sources, I'm afraid. At any rate, if you or anyone has reliable sources to back up the contention she was 13 when married, please make them available. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 15:18, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

'Made mechanical corrections, minor revisions to intro; 'need more source citations--added tags

'Made some mechanical (e.g., punctuation, syntax) corrections including to intro. Substituted out the word "headstrong" for two reasons: 1. The logic is problematic. "But" implies contrast to something. I'm hoping it was just bad word choice, and not that some editor in the 21st century actually sees a contrast between a husband being faithful and a "headstrong," i.e., willful or stubborn, woman. 2. It lacks a cited source. That is WP grounds to remove it. It is of course fine to include unsourced material in intro that is later cited. Here I can find no such reference in the body of the article.

Overall, it's clear a lot of work has gone into this detailed article about a great American icon. Does anyone, especially editors who added the info, have citations for the unsourced material? 'Added more need citation tags Paavo273 (talk) 21:38, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

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Deleted section about her surgery as irrelevant

I deleted the following copy. The article is overly long and includes detail of dubious significance (such as the section on her political opinions).