Talk:List of transgender political office-holders

Renaming

It was pretty obvious from the AfD that many individuals were not thrilled with the name of this list - and preferred List of transgender politicians. I have no real concern about that current name. I suppose that the proposed name is shorter, and since there are some officials on the list who were appointed and not elected, it fits better. But again, I have no invested opinion on the matter. Gstridsigne (talk) 04:30, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Original reserach

@Gstridsigne: I still contend that this content is original research (and dubious). The citation doesn't make any of the conclusions that are being presented, it only gives a single example of a transgender candidate supporting a single transgender issue (insurance coverage for transgender health care). Transgender candidates are not a monolithic block and many do not emphasize transgender issues in their campaigns. In the past year, there were nearly 100 transgender political candidates worldwide (most of which were not American and are missing from this list). They represented a wide range of platforms and political views. The added content is misleading, oversimplifying, and not backed up by citations or the rest of the article. It strongly implies that transgender candidates' political positions are dictated by their transgender status, which is stereotyping. It would be like suggesting that all black candidates are civil rights activists. You should still be able to demonstrate the notability of this list by tying it in with the transgender rights movement (without suggesting that transgender candidates are all single-issue politicians). Kaldari (talk) 15:07, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

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Requested move 17 December 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. I don't find a consensus in the discussion here, whether to move and if to move, to which title. Most of the comments hinges on the scope of the article. Further discussions on the scope of the article may take place which may then necessitate a change of article title. – robertsky (talk) 02:37, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

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List of transgender political office-holders → List of LGBT political office-holders – There is a discrepancy in the article title. While there are intersex people who are born trans, transgenderism, intersexuality, non-binary genders, and agenderism are very different things.

• Transgender people are people whose birth sex does not align with the gender they were born with.
• Intersex people are people who are born with one or male gonads and/or genitals, and one or more female gonads and/or genitals.
• Non-binary people are people who are born with one or more genders that are neither man nor woman.
• Agender people are people who are born without any gender.

Thus, I propose that this article should be renamed to List of LGBT political office-holders, since its purpose is to include all LGBTQ+ politicians. — CrafterNova ^{[ TALK ] [ CONT ]} 10:33, 17 December 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Adumbrativus (talk) 21:00, 27 December 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. – Hilst [talk] 11:08, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

What about List of Gender diverse political office-holders—blindlynx 16:18, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose as given / request for clarification. The suggested title seems to broaden the scope to encompass much more than the examples discussed. Is it really intended to include all office-holders who are (or were) gay, lesbian or bisexual as well as those who are transgender, intersex or non-binary? —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 01:13, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

  @BarrelProof: Yes, the article is really intended to include all political office-holders who are LGBTQ+ because of the following statements in the article itself:

  • As of 2021, 77 transgender, non-binary, intersex, and queer officials serve in public elected positions.

  • Betsy Driver, elected to Flemington (NJ) town council – First openly intersex person to be elected to office in the United States. Driver was later elected as mayor of Flemington, again the first openly intersex person to do so.

References

• The article mentions 4 non-binary politicians and 2 intersex politicians, and their numbers will increase as more LGBTQ+ candidates (should be ethical and capable, of course) are elected to offices in governments around the world.

  What is the rationale of othering lesbian, gay, bisexual, queer (+) politicians by mentioning only transgender politicians in the article title?

  If the article becomes too large to read, then separate articles can be created for each group in LGBTQ+ communities, according to notability and verifiability, of course.

  But, for now, what should the article title be?

  Should readers be misled into thinking that this article includes only transgender politicians? — CrafterNova ^{[ TALK ] [ CONT ]} 18:21, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose as above. Per Wikipedia's definition, Transgender is also "an umbrella term; in addition to including people whose gender identity is the opposite of their assigned sex (trans men and trans women), it may also include people who are non-binary or genderqueer. Other definitions of transgender also include people who belong to a third gender, or else conceptualize transgender people as a third gender." Potentially this article could be renamed List of transgender and intersex political office-holders in order to differentiate between the umbrella term and intersex? But changing it to "LGBT" would be a merge discussion rather than a requested move.DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 04:28, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Only trans office holders seems to be unnecessarily narrow; a rescope is fine here. Queen of Hearts ❤️ (she/they 🎄 🏳️‍⚧️) 17:19, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

  I agree. When lesbian, gay, bisexual, queer (+) politicians' notability increases, separate articles can be created for each.

  But I think it is reasonable to rename the article to the above title, for now, until notability of L, G, B, and Q+ politicians increases. — CrafterNova ^{[ TALK ] [ CONT ]} 18:35, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose for now. If someone creates a reasonably comprehensive (draft?) List of LGBT political office-holders (and it's not too long), I would be inclined to support merging this with it, but I think it's premature to move this article without having that list ready. SilverLocust 💬 04:29, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Weak oppose - As far as I know, the "LGB+" is covered in separate articles List of LGBT politicians in the United States, Spain, etc. Including all those office holders within the LGBTQ+ community would fork some of that content (though, I believe some of it may already be). I would probably support List of transgender and intersex political office-holders, for the sake of precision. estar8806 (talk) ★ 21:07, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - Although I 100% agree with the need for a change in the article's name, I don't agree with the proposed solution. By broadening the article to LGBT specifically would both unnecessarily broaden the article from what it is meant to be (regarding the focus on genderqueer and gender non-conforming individuals) and simultaneously be particularly limiting to who the article applies to compared to who it ought to apply to in the changed circumstance. LGBT as a term is not, alone, a useful term for encylopedic use due to the lack of application to other gender and sexuality minorities. A good name for this article could be List of transgender and intersex political office-holders as proposed by estar8806 or List of Gender diverse political office-holders as proposed by blindlynx. This proposal brings a necessary change to light although it could be more perfect. I might even go so far as to say that it could be worthwhile to, immediately following the closure of this discussion enter into discussion a move to a name possibly along the lines of List of transgender and gender minority political office-holders or List of transgender and non-traditionally gendered political office-holders. I'd rather the latter but it is a bit long. Dionysius Miller^talk 02:45, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Removals

I've removed unsourced entries that don't have an article. A source seems like it should be the minimum requirement for inclusion. Valereee (talk) 23:50, 9 April 2024 (UTC)