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McCartney Bias and Other Errors

In looking through this, there seemed to be a large bias towards Paul McCartney, with songs such as "We Can Work it Out," "Birthday," "She's Leaving Home," and "With a Little Help From my Friends" being solely attributed in authorship to McCartney, all of which were written by both Lennon and McCartney, and all of which say this in their respective articles. I changed this the best I could, but there might be other discrepancies that are imperfect, including songs that were written by Lennon and McCartney solely attributed to Lennon, but I didn't notice these. So if someone else wants to look through it, it would probably help.

Also, the "lead vocals" information is a mess. Paul McCartney did not sing lead vocals on "In My Life" or "Happiness is a Warm Gun," even though he sang on both tracks. But there were too many errors in this fashion that I couldn't change them all in one sitting. But it needs cleaning up. --andrewlargemanjones 00:03, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

I think the McCartney bias (which I agree exists) is due to the fact that many of the claims of co-authorship originated with Barry Miles, whose account, though quite detailed, reflected the fact that he was Paul's close friend. It is as if Pete Shotton or Elliot Mintz or some John confidant were to wrote a John biography at John's direction.

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'Many Years From now' is probably the closest Paul will ever come to writing an autobiography on his own, even if its content is primarily based on interviews Miles did with Paul in the early nineties. I don't think any of the credits have been fabricated by Miles in any way. I'm pretty sure they all originate from Paul himself, and therefore should be taken at least as seriously as the interviews John did with Rolling Stone in 1970, and with Playboy in 1980.192.153.194.200 (talk) 17:08, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Ringo and Lennon/McCartney

Ringo's writing credits are always under his real name of Richard Starkey. He never had it legally changed to Ringo Starr. So listing a songwriting credit as 'Starr' is wrong.

And all John and Paul songs regardless of who wrote the song are under the Lennon/McCartney banner. Even songs like "Yesterday" are credited to Lennon even though he had nothing to do with it. Same with say, "I am the Walrus", that had nothing to do with Paul. But the credits on all the records are Lennon/McCartney with the exception of the "Please, Please Me" CD which has all originals credited to McCartney/Lennon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.75.176.243 (talk) 11:49, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Main composer and lead singers

I made some changes, based on the books by Lewisohn and Dowlding (see references in the song "You´ve got to hide your love away", I didn´t know where else to put them, if someone can help, thank you).

There´s a lot of songs written by Lennon or McCartney alone, and someone credit them as Lennon with MacCartney or viceversa. In some cases, as in "A day in the life", Lennon wrote most of the song, if you compared the section by McCarteny, is shorter, both in extension, lyrics and melody. So? Who´s the main composer? Lennon, of course, with a big input by McCartney. Another example: "Michelle" is tipically McCartney, but Lennon helped with the bridge, probably just the lyrics or the melody line, so it is fair said McCartney with Lennon. But what happend with songs in wich the input from one or another are just an idea, a word, a chord change. Sould we credit everyone who ever happened suggest any ideas to the guys? In that case, George Martin probably should have a credit in each song. In "Lucy in the sky with diamons", MCartney claims he was the one who sugested the "newspaper taxis". That´s it. Should he deserve a credit for the song? The same with Lennon input in "Taxman". George asked him for help, Lennon helped and he deserved aknowledge for that, but not a credit for the song.

Now, for the lead singer: one thing is lead vocals, another harmony vocals and another background vocals. In "Because", Lennon, McCartney and Harriosn sang a three-part harmony, all the way, so, it´s a example of them sharing the lead vocals; but in "Nowhere man", "Yes it is" or "This boy", they harmonized for a part of the song, then, Lennon took the lead role, while Paul and George sang background vocals. The same for some songs crediting the lead vocals as shared betwen Lennon and McCartney: in "Ticket to ride", "In my life" and "Come together" the lead singer is John, not both, Paul sang harmony vocals and some of the verses. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.40.0.34 (talk) 15:46, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

In my life/Eleanor Rigby dispute

McCartney claims he composed de music for "In my life". Lennon said that Mcartney composed de music for the bridge. Considering that the verse and the bridge have equal measure, and regarding the dispute, the credits have to go 50/50, but just for the music. So, if Lennon wrote the 100% of the lyricis and 50% of the music, and McCartney 50% of the music; the main composer is Lennon, with input from McCartney, but there´s no sense in sharing the whole credits 50/50. The case of "Eleanor Rigby" is similar. Lennon claims he wrote at least 70% of the lyrics. If that´s true, McCartney wrote de rest of the 30% and 100% of the music, so, the main composer is McCartney, with input from Lennon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.40.0.34 (talk) 17:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

A Day In The Life

While I agree John's contribution was much more significant, it was always widely considered as a co-written song. This is confirmed by both Paul and John... --74.57.210.118 (talk) 23:04, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Massive Lennon bias

Ticket to ride, Day tripper, Norweigian wood, Girl, Lucy in the sky etc all credited to just Lennon, but Paperback writer, And i love her, Eleanor Rigby, we can work it out etc, all "McCartney, with Lennon"... talk about POV.

MatteusH (talk) 19:53, 17 March 2008 (UTC)