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Mjroots: I fail to understand why these articles about ship losses are being bloated by countless examples of ships going aground, only to be refloated and trade on. One of the two I deleted earlier even had two entries - one for the rock it touched on on one day, and another for a nearby place it grounded the following day, and from which it was later refloated and returned to service. In neither of these cases did the references give any suggestion that the ship was wrecked. I know that you believe that these comparatively minor incidents belong in these articles, but that did not receive any support last time this was specifically discussed in WP:Ships. Davidships (talk) 09:22, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Davidships: - the discussion petered out. You seem to be the only major objector. I've not had any other objections in the last year and half since that discussion. Mjroots (talk) 09:38, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In the case of Torrance which you removed and I reinstated, she was ashore for seventeen days. That is hardly a minor incident. Mjroots (talk) 10:21, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
12 days actually (per Glasgow Herald), much of it waiting for good weather - then she went for "the necessary repairs" - as you say, just an "incident", alongside all the other similar ones that are now being added routinely (probably more than half of the entries on this page did not involve a ship wreck or other loss). Davidships (talk) 17:22, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Mjroots: There were eight participants in that discussion who addressed the same basic question of what should be included in these articles. Seven agreed in one way or another with the initial proposition (not made by me) that inclusion in "list of shipwrecks in .... includes ships sunk, foundered, grounded, or otherwise lost..." requires just that - the ship was lost. And there was no support at all for the inclusion other maritime incidents that did not involve a ship loss. It is exactly the same point that came up recently regarding the shipwreck navbox which was resolved satisfactorily, I think, by keeping them separate. Davidships (talk) 17:22, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The wording is clear, that groundings are included (losses or not). Sunk and foundered are clear enough in their meaning, and "or otherwise lost" includes things such as fires, explosions, barratry etc. I generally don't include vessels condemned due to being discovered to be unseaworthy and uneconomic to repair. Mjroots (talk) 17:30, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Incidents have always been kept separate from wrecks in the shipwreck templates. The recent discussion there was about where the link to the list of shipwrecks went, in the header or the shipwreck section. Nothing was said about the notability criteria for the inclusion of incidents. With all shipreck year/month templates, the criteria for inclusion is the existance of an article. Mjroots (talk) 17:42, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
