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Semi-protected edit request on 15 July 2015

Arrambam || 2013 || Sri Sathya Sai Movies || ₹151 crore (US$19 million) || Vishnuvardhan || 117.192.96.182 (talk) 19:31, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

 Not done We only use reliably published sources with a reputation for fact checking, accuracy and editorial oversight. Indian box office claims are notoriously hard to accurately monitor (The biggest national newspaper gave up on its "box office" column because of the difficulties of verifiable estimates due to external pressure and outright fraud) and so only a very few sources are appropriate for such claims. indianmoviestats isnt one of them. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:21, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

References

Include director?

When the individual language lists were merged here, some of them contained the field of "director" . Is that a field that we should institute for all sections of this article or should we remove it? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:59, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

I'd say remove it. The table doesn't need to be an unweildly mess of title/language/gross/etc. Source shouldn't even a separate column but just added to the end of gross to me. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 23:02, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Colour accessibility

"Background color [green] indicates films playing in theatres around the world" - per MOS:COLOR, an article shouldn't distinguish information by colour alone. --McGeddon (talk) 21:06, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

There is now both an asterisk and a color so I think this is resolved. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:52, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

update

http://www.koimoi.com/box-office-verdict-bollywoods-top-worldwide-grossers/

gross is more confussion. and its not real income because tax is not less

• add the cateagry nett for undererstand domestic real box office collection
• and understand for 100 club,200 club .

--Amt000 (talk) 16:18, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

This is the List of highest-grossing Indian films, not the List of highest grossing and netting films. It appears that the standard measurement is Gross with Nett only sometimes being of interest. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:01, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

@TheRedPenOfDoom: this is not matter of tittle netting.

• in template net option with gross i prefer for better under standing
• any film succes or not succes

it depends net collection not gross

• nett = total gross - tax
• suppose any film bujet 50 and gross collection 70 and net collection 40. then you take 40 to declear flop not 70

--Amt000 (talk) 13:19, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

have any admin to commentAmt000 (talk) 13:52, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

(note: admins dont have any special say. they just have the power to flip some switches according to community standards -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 14:29, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

the "flop" or "hit" or "super hit" or "average" or "mega flop" or "super colossal block and city and country buster" designations will NOT be included as they are meaningless and purely arbitrary. In addition, such designation on a list of highest grossing is extra meaningless - as the highest grossing films they are all obviously "hits". -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:27, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

@TheRedPenOfDoom: now what you want to sayAmt000 (talk)

I do not understand your question. but your suggestion is not going to be implemented unless you show widespread reliable sources focusing on nett as much as they are focused on gross. And that aint gonna happen any time soon. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 14:29, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

@TheRedPenOfDoom: http://www.koimoi.com/box-office-verdict-bollywoods-top-worldwide-grossers/ this is source.

i only suggest add nett with gross as like this link . reason on the top Amt000 (talk) 14:38, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

and you have received your answer. No, 1) it is out of scope of this article and 2) it is not a standard of measurement widely and consistently used by the reliable sources, the sources commonly and widely discuss the gross and occasionally, sometimes, in some circumstances mention nett. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 15:06, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Kick should come on 5th positon as the worldwide gross of this movie is INR 385 crore, it is not 377 crore. Source : Stardust Awards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.96.30.103 (talk) 16:52, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Gross the only one used at most of the lists such as List of highest-grossing films in Canada and the United States, United States box office records, List of highest-grossing films and others. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:06, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Bajrangi Bhaijaan gross update

Plz update the bajrangi bhaijaan collections.they remain same from past 5 days. Movie collects 70 to 80 crores from domestic marke t.so update it. all update you can find from bajrangi bhaijaan wiki page.Imnew user so idint know how to edit.so plz update the figures.plz and categories like highest opening day,highesy weekend.highest week collections.are to be shown.plz do it.and make this page cool — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4shobhit1987 (talk • contribs)

 Not done Wikipedia is not a second by second cash receipt scroll. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:09, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Edit notice

Is there some type of standard Wikipedia:Editnotice that can be put on this page, like something in big red letters that says "If you do not provide a reliably published source and a valid rationale, your suggested edit will NOT BE ACCEPTED." ? If one doesn't exist, can we design one? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 16:24, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

I have made a suggestion at Template talk:Editnotices/Page/List of highest-grossing Indian films if anyone wishes to comment. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:12, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 July 2015

Why Atharintiki Daredi is not in the list for telugu movies? It is supposed to be second in the list (after baahubali) http://www.ibtimes.co.in/top-worldwide-share-telugu-039yevadu039-039svsc039-039attarintiki-daredi039-039mirchi039-and-other-films-538981 Bsravikiran (talk) 22:20, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Probably an oversight, check the history. I'm confused. The article says that Attarintiki Daredi had $74.88 crore which would be at the bottom not second. Also, the IBT page is just sourcing [1] which is discussed above as not a reliable source. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 23:15, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Baahubali is a Bilingual

If Baahubali is considered a Bilingual, Then enthiran has to be a bilingual as well. Better consider primary language only and not dubbed, partially reshot etc. The film Baahubali was shot simultaneously in Telugu and Tamil languages,hence it belongs to both the regions,it would be sensible if baahubali is included in both the highest grossing lists of Telugu and Tamil. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Subhakaran91 (talk • contribs) 12:58, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Done here. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 23:03, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

How can you credit Baahubali to Tamil grossing list. Even Sivaji and Enthiran are Bilingual. In Sivaji entire segments are reshot for the Telugu Audience sake. However it was never credited to Telugu industry. How can you give the credit of Baahubali to Tamil. Especially in the Tamil grossing list, you cannot give the credit to Tamil as the production house is completely based in Hyderabad and produces none other than Telugu films. Just stop taking the credit for work which Tamil nadu has nothing to do with. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pradeeps369 (talk • contribs) 23:55, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Please remove Baahubali: The Begining from Tamil Highest grossing list. As Baahubali is predominantly Telugu Film just made in Tamil aswell for the Tax evation in Tamil Nadu. Go through this source http://www.filmibeat.com/telugu/news/2015/baahubali-bahubali-10-days-box-office-collections-unstoppable-second-weekend-191241.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pradeeps369 (talk • contribs) 00:06, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

The chart does not say anything about what industry produced the film, only what languages it was made in. Try looking at the chart headers again - they do not say "Industry", they say "language". I have actually removed Telugu from the entries for Enthiran and I as their Wikipedia articles describe those films as being shot in Tamil and only dubbed in Telugu Cannolis (talk) 00:10, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Keep major language and not simultaneously shot or dubbed. Makes lot of sense in that way to remove Baahubali from tamil; srikrishnak (talk) 10:39, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Ok, if you go to the Highest grossing Tamil films column, it clearly states the movies are produced in Tamil language in the state of Tamil Nadu near chennai. However Baahubali is produced entirely in the state of Telangana near Hyderabad (barring some small schedules). How can you have Baahubali in Tamil high grossing list. And all said don't you really think it is fair to give the credit to Telugu Industry and eventhough it is simultaneously shot in tamil (beacause of tax evasion), what difference does it make from the dubbed version? Let us just stick to the primary language and avoid any confusion (There are lot of articles stating that). At the same time, even we don't want to take credit for Enthiran or I, inspite of them earning huge revenue from Telugu versions

http://www.filmibeat.com/telugu/news/2015/baahubali-bahubali-10-days-box-office-collections-unstoppable-second-weekend-191241.html http://www.firstpost.com/bollywood/baahubali-untouched-rs-300-cr-in-9-days-while-bajrangi-bhaijaan-makes-rs-100-cr-on-eid-weekend-2351890.html

And you can see from the sites that major share was fetched from Telugu version. you can still find techicalities but how can you really credit Baahubali to Tamil. It is one movie what we are proud of and let us at least enjoy it for that Pradeeps369 (talk) 21:01, 21 July 2015 (UTC) pradeep

It was shot all over, including Europe, as many many films are. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:49, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Please go through this article http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/regional/baahubali-success-an-achievement-in-indian-cinema-vijayendra-prasad/ In paragraph 3 it clearly states, it is celebrated as Telugu cinema's biggest success. It is bilingual flick, i agree to that But it is primarly produced by Telugu Film Industry. Why are you guys turning a deaf ear inspite of getting many requests.. Pradeeps369 (talk) 04:57, 22 July 2015 (UTC) pradeep

Pleas go trough the this article http://www.forbes.com/sites/saritharai/2015/07/20/look-whos-reaping-the-bonanza-from-baahubali-indias-most-expensive-film-ever/ 4th paragraph 4th line, it clearly states that the movie was produced by Telugu film industry Pradeeps369 (talk) 04:59, 22 July 2015 (UTC)Pradeep

And here is one more article which reinforces my arguement http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/baahubali-the-beginning-how-the-battle-epic-is-helping-tollywood-challenge-bollywoods-dominance-over-the-indian-film-industry-10402812.html Title and the 2nd paragarph (Clearly states its a Telugu film)

All of the above articles are from trusted sites Pradeeps369 (talk) 05:05, 22 July 2015 (UTC)Pradeep

Again, no one cares about the industry but about the languages. As stated at the top of List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films#Highest_grossing_Tamil_films, the films are based primarily but it also includes films produced overseas. No one cares where the film was produced. Adding the separate language was a compromise as the alternate was just to cut them all out and leave it with just the top lists like every other nation does. Sources state both so you having sources that only identify one doesn't change that. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:28, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

I agree that Bahubali has to be under the Telugu cinema section and not in both Tamil and Telugu. What is the meaning of all versions ? The original language section is to be where the movie represents. Every single movie under the Tamil section is made in Telugu, why is it not being represented under Telugu section aswell and only mentioned as (all versions) in brackets ? Similarly Baahubali has the mention of (All versions) beside itslef is that not enough? Why make this additional fuss about it ? Marchoctober (talk) 18:54, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

It's under Teleugu isn't it? Are you arguing for just Tamil, just Telugu or both? Your comment is confusing. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:45, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

The difference between Baahubali and all of these other movies is that Baahubali was, from the start, made in both languages, whereas the others were made in Tamil and subsequently dubbed into Telugu. There is no single "original language" for Baahubali. I have also reverted these two edits on the film's article by Pradeeps369 which appear to be an inexplicable effort to mask the bilingual nature of the film which is well supported by sources linked elsewhere on this talk page by TRPoD Cannolis (talk) 11:41, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

My argument is in support that the article must remain as is, and that Baahubali must be under Telugu section only and the information (All version) as currently present must be retained. Marchoctober (talk) 14:39, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

And that argument will be ignored as it is not based on any policy and is contradicted by a wide range of reliable sources Forbes to the Guardian to the Times of India to IBN to NDTV to The National . -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 14:58, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Why ignore the argument, here is an article from your own trusted site "The Guardian" and Forbes, But more recent articles from July 12th 2015 and July 20th Respectively

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jul/12/baahubali-the-beginning-review-fantastic-bang-for-your-buck-in-most-expensive-indian-movie-ever-made http://www.forbes.com/sites/saritharai/2015/07/20/look-whos-reaping-the-bonanza-from-baahubali-indias-most-expensive-film-ever/

Which states it as a Telugu film

And please i'm not debating with you people. In the page " Baahubali: the Begining" let it be like Telugu and Tamil as it was shot in both languages. But when it comes to grossigs, the credit shall only be given to the Primary language in which it was intended to be shot in. Please don't say no one cares about the industry. In India that is what most people care about,

Tamil Industry - only produces tamil films (might be dubbed into other languages) Hindi - only produces Hindi films (might be dubbed into other languages) Telugu - only produces Telugu films (might be dubbed into other languages), the reason some movies are shot in Tamil is becasue the taxation system in Tamil nadu state, Straight Tamil movie - 0% tax, Dubbed Tamil movie - 15% tax. where as in Andhra pradesh & Telangana (Telugu Speaking states), both straight telugu movies & Dubbed telugu movies are taxed almost equally. Simultaneously shot or dubbed is just for economic reasons and so they are not much different Do not turn deaf ear on this, If you are from India you would be understanding this better. Even i want Wikipedia to show accurate information and that is the point i'm trying to make

And one suggestion: Apart from the language column, Can you please add a column called "industry". In that you can credit the industry from which it was produced like "Bollywood", "Telugu film industry" and "Tamil film industry" etc.. and then we can actually portray accurate information and scenarios So that the article can do justice to all the arguments made in this discussion . Please do not ignore the sensitivities just to honor some minute technicalities. Thanks

by your own admission "it was shot in both languages" . Story over. and no, we will not add "industry" just to mollify crusaders. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:18, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Here comes the arrogant responses. I don't think the admins can be arrogant and turn deaf ear to requests with proper reasons. I'm not suggesting to mollify anything, i'm asking to provide more details. If you want to be technical let us be too technical and give more detailed information to the last bit rather than presenting half baked information. If you can't do that, step aside and let other mature admins handle this page.

I agree that the sections like Highest_grossing_Tamil_films , Highest_grossing_Telugu_films and Highest_grossing_Hindi_films should infact be renamed as Tamil_film_industry , , Telugu_film_industry and Hindi_film_industry. This makes so much more sense.

@User:TheRedPenOfDoom I think you are in violation the wikipedia's NPOV by pushing your opinions you are indulging in Wikipedia:Tendentious_editing, and trying make the article represent your ideas and opinions, you are accusing users of making wrongs right but infact you are violating the same rule, what problem would you have to represent the information in a more sensible manner as mentioned by the above user, on the article by using industry names instead of languages. Also calling people crusaders and using terms like mollify above does not make you win the argument, infact using terms like mollify and crusaders you are personally attacking other users, please refrain from doing so.
Marchoctober (talk) 00:37, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Do you have any response beyond inappropriate personal attacks? The sections are for "films shot in Hindu", "films shot in Tamil" and "films shot in Telugu". It was shot in both Tamil and Telugu and that's a more logical distinction than the endless bickering over whether a film is "really" a Hindi/Tamil/Telugu industry film (whatever that means). -- Ricky81682 (talk) 03:42, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

You used "Hindu" instead of "Hindi" , Hindu is a Religion & Hindi is a Language. Your choice of words shows that your knowledge about india is limited, which is fine as you may be from a different country. When so many voices are raised against your traditional approach on categorization can't you just please try to understand the scenario better and why are so many people against your approach. This is not a fanboy enthusiasm, if you can please try to do more research on the film, the directors, crew you can easily come to a conclusion. The problem is not regarding the language of the film but putting the film's grossings under a different language other than the native language

It was a typo. Don't insult people and don't presume anything. The point is guessing how much of a film constitutes a "Hindi/Tamil/Telugu film industry" film (is it actors? directors? producers? location? when an actor crosses over does the industry change?) just leads to these pages of arguing because it's just original research guessing by the people here. If Punjabi actors do a film in Hindi but shoot it in America with etc., etc., it's just endless fighting here. In contrast, the language used when they shot the film is simple enough. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 23:13, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

If you want to keep it as language and not film industry, this article which is exclusively about Grossing, there are multiple films on this list for example Enthiran which is listed only as Tamil language, but it was released in Hindi, Telugu and tamil and it grossed in all these languages, but it was always mentioned as Tamil because it is from Tamil film industry/Kollywood. Similarly Baahubali has to be mentioned as Telugu/Tollywood though it has other versions.
Marchoctober (talk) 06:20, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Tamil Films misrepresenting information

When it is known that all the Tamil films in the list are released in more than just Tamil, absolutely all of them in the list why is this user indulging in removing this information ? See Diff
Also this information has been hidden from the article from a very long time.
Every Single film is released in multiple languages more than just Tamil language, please see below along with sources but they are not represented fairly:

• Enthiran languages = Telugu, Tamil, Hindi
• I Film languages = Telugu Tamil Hindi
• Viswaroopam languages= Telugu Tamil and Hindi
• Dasavatharam languages = Telugu Tamil and Hindi
• Linga languages = Telugu Tamil and Hindi
• sivaji languages = TeluguTamil and hindi
• Kaththi languages = Telugu Tamil and Hindi
• Arrambam languages = Telugu and Tamil
• Thupakki languages = Telugu and Tamil — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marchoctober (talk • contribs)

Do you have a point here? Films get dubbed and released in other languages. We don't list every major American blockbuster here when they come to India. Do you want these languages changed to include or removed or what? What's fair to you? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:17, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2015: Baahubali collection according to the cited article is 450 crores. Please edit it in the tables

Vyas.phy (talk) 08:33, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

 Denied Include a reliable source. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:39, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2015 b

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films Please update table for hindi films according to the all time films<[2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darpan3383 (talk • contribs)

@Darpan3383:, can you explain what you want? You're linking to the same page twice. Are you talkign about the former page here? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:44, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Headings

I think we should discuss the proper headings and the order of them. First, I think we should remove the dashes and parentheses against the manual of style (either "Highest grossing Hindi-language film" or "Highest grossing Bollywood" but not both). Second, I think it should be organized in alphabetical order by the languages following the general grosses (it also by coincidence puts Hindi or Bollywood on top which is the largest industry). I think that's easier than an argument over which industry is greater or other methods. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:54, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

The name of the language. period. We dont use nicknames. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:14, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 27 July 2015 b

Give gross collection figure of the movie'attarintiki darade' in top grossing telugu movies 1.39.80.78 (talk) 13:45, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

List of Most Grossing Malayalam Movies Drishyam 81.20 Crores Premam 52.70 Crores Banglore Days 50 Crores Twenty Twenty 32.6 Crores

 Not done Please make your request in the form of "Please change XXX to YYY" or "Please add ZZZ" . And you will also need to verify the content change by providing a reliably published source with a reputation for fact checking and editorial oversight-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 14:51, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2015 c

183.82.111.145 (talk) 12:04, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

[copy and paste of the article redacted]

 Not done Please do not copy the entire article, instead make your request in the form of "Please change XXX to YYY" or "Please add/remove ZZZ" . You will also need to provide a reliably published source with a reputation for fact checking and editorial oversight that verifies the suggested content -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 14:54, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2015

The highest grossing marathi film is lai bhaari with 73 crore as mentioned in Lai_Bhaari Darpan3383 (talk) 06:02, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I only found an older source. The Wikipedia page isn't a sources so reviewing those sources in detail (1) This source only says 40 crore for Lai Bhaari (but 24 for Duniyadari which should be included); (2) this and this also says 40 crore for Lai Bhaari so I don't know where 73 comes from. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:03, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:34, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Note on requests

It'd be easier for admins to implement a request if an experienced editor indicated it was uncontroversial. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 19:21, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

But it gets ignored. Why is it still Tamil? The votes don't support that — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.176.56.133 (talk • contribs)

Protected edit request on 27 July 2015 a

Bajrangi Bhaijaan should be after Chennai express but it is before Baahubali. The reference cited shows that its gross is 410cr and it is also after Chennai express movie in the reference page list. So please update if my argument seems correct. 14.139.69.62 (talk) 13:39, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

:You will need to provide a specific reliably published source with a reputation for fact checking and editorial oversight not just a wave to some other Wikipedia article. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 14:52, 27 July 2015 (UTC) I misread the request. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 15:17, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

 Done --NeilN ^{talk to me} 23:01, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Updation of Baahubali's gross

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/baahubali-bahubali-3rd-friday-box-office-collection-prabhas-starrer-grosses-rs-401-crore-15-640452

I request you to update baahubali gross numbers as of the 24th of july which is 401 crores tanks - Nyankitty5023 Nyankitty5023 (talk) 22:45, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Adding one more source : http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2015/07/25/indias-baahubali-punches-out-401-crore-62-6-million-gross-in-15-days/

Please use the template as used before and it would be preferable for people to put all this in one place rather than repeating this every few hours. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:51, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Baahubali is currently at 450 crores according to the Guardian. Source:

http://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2015/jul/27/global-box-office-pixels-monster-hunt-baahubali-bajrangi-bhaijaan Saradpamidi (talk) 22:50, 27 July 2015 (UTC) saradpamidi

 Verified - NeilN please update Baahubali: The Beginning to 450 crores (which would make it ranked 3rd) Note, this source actually references Wikipedia's numbers for Bajrangi Bhaijaan. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 22:55, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Done with the IBT citation that was underlying it. I'm not confident in a blog that cited an incorrect number put here (it was a drive-by edit misrepresenting what the citation said). NeilN has done enough for this page. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 23:40, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 27 July 2015 d

Sardaar Ji is only highest grossing punjabi film with net gross of ₹5 crore (US$630,000) worldwide. Deepcruze (talk) 20:28, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

References

Not sure Source given does indeed claim that. Conflicting information between sources. Though I question Deepcruze's source as no author is given on that article and the English language "About Us" page does not indicate editorial oversight. Deepcruze, do you have any other sources? EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 22:41, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

• support the inclusion with the tribune source at the 50crore level. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:50, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

• While odd, The Tribune (Chandigarh) seems like a legitimate newspaper. When I copied over List of highest-grossing Punjabi films, this version only had one source and Sardaar just had the one-day opening so I'll include it. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:19, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

• Done but it seems like Deepcruze's other edits was to create White Hill Production, the studio behind the film, so just putting that out there. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:25, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Koimoi.com

This editor tried to add this page as a source. However, I'm not sure that this should be considered a reliable source. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:01, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Koimoi is generally accepted in the India entertainment articles as a basically reliable source. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:22, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

I don't think it is. This page doesn't have a name date and seems to be constantly updating itself without any real discussion which makes using as a source frustrating and problematic. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:40, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Film language versus industry

I reverted User:Marchoctober's edit here because I think it's clearer to organize the films as by language and not by "industry". Again, how much of a film has to be done in a particular place to constitute which "industry" it's part of just leads to more original research and infighting than a simple language separation. Along with concerns about the headings breaking the MOS, looking at other articles, it's done simply by language (for example, there's argument that there exists various film industries in the US not just in Hollywood but we don't separate it that way). List of highest-grossing films in Hong Kong uses Chinese-language not a "film industry" distinction. The only other page I could find with separate countries was List of most expensive non-English-language films which breaks into language I think. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:16, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Language is not as precise as film industry information is, this article which is exclusively about Grossing, there are multiple films on this list for example Enthiran which is listed only as Tamil language, but it was released in Hindi, Telugu and tamil and it grossed in all these languages, but it was always mentioned as Tamil because it is from Tamil film industry/Kollywood. Similarly Baahubali has to be mentioned as Telugu/Tollywood though it has other versions. It has been traditionally followed as industry way of representing information but was mentioned in form of language, as language was almost analogous to film industry, but now since language is not a precise way of representing the information, for example films are made in multiple languages, film industry is the right way to represent the precise information.Marchoctober (talk) 06:29, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

How is language not more precise? What constitutes a particular film industry? The actors? The directors? The producers? Where it was shot? It's a distinction that is entirely based on the language. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:42, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Why is and was Enthiran represented as Tamil/Kollywood film and not as Telugu, Hindi and Tamil film, though it made money releasing in other languages and this article is about grossing/making money? Enthiran made money in Telugu, Hindi, Tamil and probably some other languages also but it is represented as Tamil language alone, which is not accurate, so to remove this inaccuracy and have more precise information on the article it is important to represent a film with its film industry and not language. Marchoctober (talk) 06:49, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

'Film industry' isn't a conventional way of categorizing films. Sources have multiple ways of classifying which film industry a film is produced; it is a highly variable and subjective term. I looked for sources on the India Information Ministry and they did not have any listings of 'industries'. Even the BBC mentions only the languages of the highest grossing films and omits any mention of their industries. And in fact, they do mention Enthiran as a Tamil, Hindi and Telugu film. I think we need to get more participants in this discussion so we can come to a reasonable consensus. Elspamo4 (talk) 06:53, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

It also doesn't make sense when there are people who want to argue about splitting the gross figures into each language version rather than overall grosses (see here). The current Baahubali listing under Telugu for some reason says "all versions" implies that there's a distinction that needs to be made. Ignoring that we have zero sources about these splits, no other film article does that. When American films, for example, are dubbed, we ignore that and take the entire gross as a default. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:16, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, that is completely illogical. Reliable sources don't make any such distinction. I think that some people may be confused over the subject of this page's scope. Thus far, no one has supported the position of sorting the films by industry with any sort of policies or reliable sources. Full page protection should be reapplied. Elspamo4 (talk) 07:36, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

@Elspamo4 How well versed are you with Indian films ? Have you ever seen one single indian film ? How will you represent a film like Enthiran which was represented as only a single language film for over 4 or five years, as multiple language film ? It is now widely accepted as a single language film, can you go back in time and do the change? Language is traditionally analogous to film industry I make it clear to you, which you are unable to understand but is taken for granted in India, which you are unable to understand. Also please see the below section I created about Tamil films misrepresenting information, please do not give one sided and biased comments like the full protection should be appllied again, without knowing fully well about the topics you are participating in. Please be patient for a consensus and i request you to be neutral rather than taking a side, you only saw two other users other than yourself and you started taking a side immediately, please wait for a consensus. Marchoctober (talk) 08:07, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Acting like you're the only one qualified to make an opinion doesn't help your cause. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:20, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

@Marchoctober: My comment regarding page protection isn't one sided, in my view it would be conducive to attaining a consensus. Language is not analogous to film industry, or else major publications like the BBC would not be listing more than a single language for an Indian film (while entirely omitting any mention of its industry). As I already said, the BBC article lists Enthiran as a trilingual film and I think it should be represented as such. At this point, film industry doesn't seem to be a viable method of grouping each film, and you have not remotely attempted to address my or Ricky's concerns. And please do not patronize me, I don't need to be a film connoisseur to logically deduce the faults of categorizing a film by its 'industry'. Also, it would be preferable if you and Padukati raju would try partake in discussion before going around making major changes and reverting people. Elspamo4 (talk) 08:32, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

use the language, clearly. none of the sources use "industry" to identify the box office takes, we dont make up our own categorization. and if we did by "industry" that would mean removal of nearly all the content as it would be impossible to verify and of the claims . -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:16, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

We need a better column heading though. I think it should be "Languages filmed in" not just languages. Marcoctober does have a point in that it is misleading. For example, PK is now in China and we're clearly including that in the 700 crore figure. That would distinguish between Baahubali being filmed in Tamil and Telugu and then being dubbed into all the other languages. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:49, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

No. of movies listed in each table

In the Global gross figures it should be 20 at all times (currently 21) and 10 each in Hindi, Tamil & Telugu lists. What I am saying is that it should be followed like a fixed rule. Also I suggest that serial numbers be added. It will be easy to know a movie's ranking. What do you all think? Please respond or will go bold otherwise. Thanks. - Jayadevp13 15:19, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

oppose placing rank numbers in the table - doing so requires changing all rows below when a film moves up or down increasing the complexity of nearly every edit for no upside.

I am fine with a 20 overall 10/10/10/10 per language recommendation. (At several points there has been 21 or another not round number when there are 2 films with the same box office for slot 20.) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 16:02, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

OK. You are right about about placing rank numbers in table. It will take a lot of effort. - Jayadevp13 17:02, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

I actually disagree. Most of the top film articles have numbers. It's not that difficult to keep track, since the information is largely stable. It's just the amount of speedy nonsense here that makes it a problem at the moment. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 02:01, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Boxofficecapsule.com

@Db135: made these edits but I don't think that boxofficecapsule.com is a reliable source as defined at WP:RS. It's an unsourced blog and this page states that it's provided some unnamed, unexplained "scientific approach." -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:50, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

no it is not one of the accepted Box office sources. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:02, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Great. It's only the source for Bajrangi Bhaijaan (the one that was inflated to 437 and then repeated by the Guardian). Now I gotta fish out a better source. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:49, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Good one

Good decision to Protecting the page - Yasir72.multan ^Talk _Contribs
15:16, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

But it's the wrong one. Please take out the Tamil and put Telugu back at the top. (Redacted)

Of course it's The Wrong Version. No harm in it being that way for a few days while the community discusses how to proceed, and then change it as necessary. DMacks (talk) 21:53, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Talk page had to be protected too. Seems to have calmed down some of the more 'attentive' editors here. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:57, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 27 July 2015 c

There is an incorrect reference to Bajrangi Bhaijaan. The reference states the gross as 413 crores whereas in Wiki it gets translated to 437 crores. Inspiredrighteous (talk) 16:10, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

•  Verified Verified that source says 413 crores. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 22:36, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

• Thanks EvergreenFir. This also means the movie should move down one spot, correct? --NeilN ^{talk to me} 22:46, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

@NeilN: 2 spots I think. Move from 3rd to 5th. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 22:49, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

 Done Ah, there are two tables. Modified both. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 23:00, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

The prior source ([3]) is a blog with no evidence for their numbers (I'd just kill for a name of the blogger) so I revised it down to 400 based on this source. My talk page is already getting fun so I await the arguments in the morning. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 11:32, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Malayalam content for merging

I think there is some content about Malayalam films that should be merged here. this version of the language list contains the three films with values that I could validate. Twenty:20 (film) probably belongs in the list as well, but I could not find an english language source that had appropriate numbers. (Earlier versions of that list contain more items, but many of the items have unusable sources, the sources don't say anything about the box office gross or the wikipedia article misrepresented the value that the source stated.) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:24, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Done. I'll post a request at the Indian cinema taskforce as well. It'd be helpful if they would convince people that hourly updates aren't going to happen and to use reliable sources. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 22:46, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

thanks! -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:07, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 27 July 2015 e

Please add Attarintiki Daredi to list Highest grossing Telugu films. Source: "South India dominates regional language film industry: report". Business Standard. 2 April 2014.

And correct source for Lai Bhaari from Highest grossing Marathi films. First version was "Bollywood goes local, eyes Marathi cinema". Hindustan Times. 23 September 2014.

Sudzuki Erina (talk) 09:56, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Done. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:23, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

please add this ... timepass 2 also earn 40cr ..http://rudramadevicollection.in/2015/05/timepass-2-marathi-total-collection-40-cr-in-20-days/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prshntsathe (talk • contribs) 11:19, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

That doesn't look like more than a blog. There's no evidence it should be considered a reliable source. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:08, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 27 July 2015 f

Please change sources for Magadheera and Race Gurram to properly executed "2nd Saturday Box Office Collection: Baahubali Beats Endhiran's Lifetime Record in 9 Days". International Business Times. 19 July 2015. --Sudzuki Erina (talk) 09:03, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

That article admits that those are estimates and is just repeating its numbers from this site which I'm really questioning. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:56, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

OK. But that article (incorrect framed) is used now in Highest grossing Telugu films for Magadheera and Race Gurram. --Sudzuki Erina (talk) 11:30, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

WP:DEADLINE lol. We'll fix these things eventually. - Ricky81682 (talk) 19:31, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Is there support for this change? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:49, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

No, this falls back under an example where a potential source is citing a known unreliable source (andhraboxoffice.com). There's a discussion at WP:RSN about this actual issue as some people think that if possibly (or known) reliable source rely on something, that should be sufficient to consider that source reliable. I disagree however. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:16, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

• Removed from article now. I wish the Indian cinema page or someone had an interest in discussing these sources rather than me just talking to myself repeatedly it seems. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:25, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Updating of Baahubali's gross!

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/baahubali-bahubali-3rd-week-box-office-collection-prabhas-film-grosses-462-crore-21-days-641133

Please update Baahubali's gross to 462 crores- Thx a lot! Nyankitty5023 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nyankitty5023 (talk • contribs) 21:01, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Ext links

It is generally the case that there is no ==Ext links== header if there are no links even if there are templates. 203.109.161.2 (talk) 06:01, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Done. You're right. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:59, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 4 August 2015 a

Change the grossing of "Baahubali:The Beginning" to 500 crores. Gourabgggg (talk) 07:47, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Please provide a reliable source. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:58, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't see your link for some reason. Done. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:10, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

References

Baahubali

Collection update of Baahubali

Update the collection of Baahubali. It has crossed 500 cr Worldwide. Here is the evidence... http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2015/08/02/indias-baahubali-blasts-past-500-crore-78-million-worldwide kindly update collections.

thanks..

Done. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:10, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 4 August 2015

Baahubali grossed Rs. 500 Crores - Forbes Magazine http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2015/08/02/indias-baahubali-blasts-past-500-crore-78-million-worldwide/ Harshasg (talk) 05:20, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Done. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:11, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Collecion Update

Please update baahubali collections to 462 crores. Aloosamosa (talk) 12:43, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

References

It's 500 now. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:12, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Errors

There is no an error at the foor of the page. 203.109.161.2 (talk) 09:50, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Fixed. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:09, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 4 August 2015 b

The movie Bhajrangi Bhaijaan, as of now not grossed Rs.540 crores. No main stream Indian media reported so. Till tuesday, as per most Indian news portals the movie grossed only Rs.294 crore and is nearing Rs.300 crore mark. Ved548 (talk) 12:29, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Not done: Sources you give are for domestic box office gross. Table in article reflects global box office gross and is supported by Forbes source. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 12:44, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

References