Talk:List of characters in the Breaking Bad franchise/Archive 1

Archive 1

Tuco Salamanca

Last two sentences are garbled. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.35.48.12 (talk) 18:42, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Reference to Asperger's syndrome in Gale Boetticher

I have removed the statement regarding Gale Boetticher's alleged Asperger's Syndrome. This statement is unsupported and almost certainly the result of original research. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.214.4.219 (talk • contribs) 07:54, October 9, 2011

WP:NOTPLOT

Too much of this page is a plot description, in direct violation of what Wikipedia is not. I will come back and try to trim this later. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:31, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

I've just removed the plot descriptions in three of the characters, boiling their sections down to the characters' main attributes and interesting facts about them. Thanks for suggesting this. I think it improves the page a lot, for both hard-core fans and people catching up with the series. Keep at it. —Ben Kovitz (talk) 11:46, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Gustavo Fring

I don't know why we're engaging in idle speculation on the character page about possible plot twists. Gus walked out of the room after the explosion, but the blast wave ripped the right half of his face off including the eyball down to the socket, and half the mandible. He most likely has severe blunt force trauma to the brain from the compression wave, and was probably dead before he even knew it. Acute subdural hematoma anyone? Epidural hematoma? Cerebral contusion? Intraventricular hemorrhage? Intracranial hemorrhage? Subarachnoid hemorrhage? Concussion? There's also the possibility of cerebral laceration, especially in the vicinity of the orbitofrontal cortex, a likely potentiality because of the eyeball and optic nerve being ripped out. Gus Fring is dead, they announced three people killed on the radio, and television. Walter's character likes fulminated mercury, as we saw in Tuco's office, and he knows the blast radii for something like that. Plus the oxygen tank on the back of Hector's wheelchair would tend to increase the intensity of the blast because of the available oxygen contributing to the explosion reaction. So unless the senile old woman in the room next to Hector was killed accidentally by the oxygen tank blowing up and taking her out, I think it's pretty safe to say Gus is dead. We wouldn't even be able to find out until next January if that's even the case. Stentor7 (talk) 03:43, 10 October 2011 (UTC) Stentor7

Gus is definately dead, one of the shows mock websites has an in memory of tribute at the bottom of the page. (http://www.madrigalelectromotive.com/) The same website also suggests a relationship between Saul Goodman and the doctor that saved Gus and Mike in Mexico Troll-Life (talk) 14:39, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Outdated

More than a few characters are described from a mid-series perspective. 74.119.161.8 (talk) 03:18, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Unlike a cast list, a character list should be alphabetized

Unlike a cast list, whose characters are listed in priority order, this is a character list, which should be alphabetized within categories so users can easily find characters. - Froid (talk) 08:53, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

I think that makes it quite a bit more difficult to find characters, since most people don't begin with knowing the character's full name (or even their first name). A list that is browsable by importance (for major characters) or chronology (for minor ones) is much easier to navigate.--Trystan (talk) 13:38, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Mike Ehrmantraut #2

The article says: "Walt realizes moments after shooting Mike that he could have gotten the names from Lydia, and thus could have spared Mike's life."

This is not entirely true. Walt could not have spared Mike's life. If Walt wants to kill the witnesses he had to kill Mike beforehand (these guys were important to Mike given that he provides them hazard pay and refuses to give their names to Walt) or else Mike would have went after Walt upon hearing from the prison murders. This becomes clear in two subsequent conversations:

• Episode 5x8: When Walt asks Lydia for the names she says "...getting rid of his guys. You wouldn't be doing this if Mike was still a factor."
• Episode 5x9: When Walt tells Jesse that Mike is perfectly capable of looking after his granddaughter, Jesse says "You doing what you did. Offing Mike's guys. If he was out there, you would have to look over your shoulder for the rest of your life. And that's not how you do things. I think he's dead and I think you know that." 91.22.11.33 (talk) 09:58, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Ciudad Juárez Cartel v. Juárez Cartel

The article seems to use "Ciudad Juárez Mexican drug cartel" and "Juárez Cartel" interchangeably. Which one is it? ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 21:00, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

It is interchangeable. Ciudad Juárez means The City of Juárez, or Juárez City. See Ciudad Juárez and Juárez Cartel. --Kefas.se (talk) 00:17, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Strictly speaking, no. The Juárez Cartel (Spanish: Cártel de Juárez) is not officially known as the Ciudad Juárez Cartel (or Cártel de Ciudad Juárez). I understand what you're saying, however; since the cartel is from Ciudad Juárez, it is logical to conclude that it is OK to call it that way. Nonetheless, it's not interchangeable, as far as I know. If you can provide a source that explicitly states what you say, please provide it. I have never seen the full name "Ciudad Juárez Cartel" in my research. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 04:29, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Ofc it's a blurry line, but as you initially put the question, "Ciudad Juárez Mexican drug cartel" vs "Juárez Cartel", I'd say both is OK. The name is Juárez Cartel, while "Ciudad Juárez Mexican drug cartel" (letter case) reads as a description, not a name. Your third, later, version, "Ciudad Juárez Cartel", would appear a bit more questionable.

Anyhow, Juárez Cartel is the shortest form, the actual name, and (I think) the only version used in the article. So I can really see a problem... --Kefas.se (talk) 14:30, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Help me remember because I honestly don't. Did the series ever mention the name "Ciudad Juárez Mexican drug cartel", "Juárez Cartel", or any other description? I just remember them saying "Cartel" and stuff like that. Maybe they were referring to a cartel in Ciudad Juárez (there are several groups operating in the city, not just the Juárez Cartel) and they never specified which one.

Anyhow, the section of "Leonel & Marco Salamanca" says "a Ciudad Juárez Mexican drug cartel", and the section of "Don Eladio Vuente" says "... head of the Ciudad Juárez Mexican drug cartel" and then links the Juárez Cartel to it. If anything, we should stick to what the series says; if the series did not specify which cartel it was, then we should not be linking the Juárez Cartel here and figure out how we'll mention it. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 15:42, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Reference to Reservoir Dogs

I've removed the passage claiming, that the names "White" and "Pinkman" are hommages to Reservoir Dogs, because this has not been backed up by sources coming from the show's creators. Instead the only source is just by some guy who is not, nor has he ever been involved in the creative process of Breaking Bad. Bankslooserm (talk) 23:25, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

@The guy who keeps adding the Reservoir Dogs reference again and again. Why don't you explain yourself here? Until proven otherwise (i.e. by a source from within the show) any vague name connection has to be assumed as a coincidence. No matter what some guy from some paper says. Especially, since Jesse isn't even named Pink or called Mr. Pink once, which makes it even more vague. If that guy also presumes, that Tortuga is a nod to the Ninja Turtles, and Saul Goodman is a reference to John Goodman, do we have to include that too? No, because it would be stupid unless confirmed by the creators. Cloudbrief243 (talk) 20:48, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

It's amusing when individual editors take it upon themselves to redefine the rules of Wikipedia. A reliable source is a reliable source is a reliable source. If you don't like it, feel free to take it to the RS noticeboard. 206.188.146.158 (talk) 23:34, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Come on, get real. The names aren't an "homage" to Reservoir Dogs just because they contain colors. A Hollywood.com article and a Boston Globe article noting the similarity doesn't make it a certified bona fide homage. Could definitely be a coincidence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.209.111.22 (talk) 01:59, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Should Wendy be added? She's been in the show for more episodes than some of the secondary and minor characters already listed on the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.234.227.44 (talk) 18:50, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

please add Wendy!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.232.126.41 (talk) 18:40, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Walter and Jess need their own pages, someone get on that. -A fan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.34.140.99 (talk) 19:05, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Removed the one-time characters section as none of those characters--the cop who arrested Badger, the janitor, et al. were very integral to the storyline. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.223.241 (talk) 17:32, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Actually I differ on how integral to the story the janitor was. He was actually the first innocent person "damaged" by Walt's breaking bad. As such, the importance of his character is not to be under-estimated. And despite his checkered past (cited by Hank), he didn't deserve his fate, and was shown to be innocent and kind during each of his appearances. An important figure in the show, often overlooked (but do the replay, and watch Walt's face upon hearing of Hugo's(?) arrest) 108.49.75.241 (talk) 02:04, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Changed a typo in the Gale section of Secondary Characters. Changed "Gus begs for his life" which should be "Gale begs for his life." --kiyote —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.165.1.121 (talk) 23:20, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Jesse should be above Skyler in the character list, he is the second main character, Skyler isn't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.137.45.101 (talk) 20:52, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Just to seal the deal as it were, the article referenced is only making an assumption with the Mr. White connection. Jesse calls him Mr. White as he knew the character as such when he was a pupil in his chemistry class. The habit carried over into their clandestine business association. Simple as that. Secondly, to seal the lid shut on this for all time, the real-life Walter White had a real-life assistant called ... Jesse Pinkman! So scrub that tentative link, no Mr. Pink allegories, no Reservoir Dogs hommage or references, at least until heard otherwise from Vince Giligan himself. Puddingsan (talk) 17:49, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Hector Salamanca - a Don?

The article mentions that Hector Salamanca was an elderly Don. Is that true? My understanding was that he was a heavy for the former Don, but not a don himself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.100.164 (talk) 04:34, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

People refer to him as "Don Salamanca" several times, and no evidence to the contrary was ever presented. Chunk5Darth (talk) 23:05, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Merge proposal

Since more and more characters keep appearing on Better Call Saul, could we expand this article and rename it to List of Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul characters? EauZenCashHaveIt (I'm All Ears) 01:12, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Better Call Saul character updates

Should the article contain information on characters that is revealed in the series Better Call Saul? I think not. It doesn't come from Breaking Bad. Willondon (talk) 23:02, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

OTOH, BCS is in the same continuity as "Breaking Bad". So whatever is revealed in BCS is intended to be true for "Breaking Bad" as well.Inkan1969 (talk) 18:13, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

It would make sense, since both shows happen in the same universe. Chunk5Darth (talk) 19:30, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

I think it may make sense to have character information from both shows in one article. Though it should be remembered per WP:WAF that we are not crafting fictional character biographies from an in-universe perspective. Instead, we are describing characters depicted in two related but distinct works. The description should therefore convey how the character is depicted in each show, and not mix the depictions together.--Trystan (talk) 23:56, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

I agree that the depictions should not be mixed together. That's why I'm not comfortable with additions to this article based on revelations from BCS. I'm not sure how you'd keep the two separate except by keeping details in their respective articles, and not using one work to inform the other's article. I also wonder what happens when the continuity editors on BCS get tired or distracted. Willondon (talk) 01:31, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Again, it's the same universe, and these are the same exact characters. It would make much more sense to merge the characters into one article, rather than have two different descriptions of the same character in two different locations. Chunk5Darth (talk) 10:52, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

I have started a new thread below, with a merge proposal. EauZenCashHaveIt (I'm All Ears) 23:17, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Krazy8

The article lists hist cause of death as being phosphine gas whereas I am almost certain that Walter used Phosgene gas... Different sources list both phosphine and phosgene and its hard to be certain from the audio but Hank mentions earlier that "Meth labs are nasty on a good day, mix that shit wrong and you've got mustard gas" which Walter then corrects to phosgene / phosphine. Phosgene like mustard gas was used as a chemical weapon, explaining Hanks confusion. Troll-Life (talk) 13:14, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

I might be wrong, the official subtitles appear to say Phosphine... Troll-Life (talk) 13:22, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

I am pretty sure I heard "phosgeme" gas. But in any case only Emilio is killed by the gas. Krazy-8 survives, escapes briefly only to be recaptured by Walt being still too weak from the gas to resist, to be later strangled by Walt using the bicycle lock around his neck used to confine him to Jesse's basement.Jszigeti (talk) 18:13, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Walter Blanco

I have removed this again from the Walter White section:

In the Spanish-language remake Metástasis, his character is renamed Walter Blanco and is portrayed by Diego Trujillo.^[1]

As this is an article about Breaking Bad characters, not characters in Metastasis - all of which have different names that are not mentioned in this article. The information still stands in the larger article Walter White (Breaking Bad) and seems reasonable to keep there where there is more reason to go into detail (though arguably not in the lead).

User:EauZenCashHaveIt reverted this once, if you feel strongly enough to revert it again providing more information than "yes it is" would be helpful to consensus forming. I have no interest in warring over it so will leave it at that. |→ Spaully ^τ 12:30, 28 December 2016 (GMT)

Missing

Why have the "Rival Dealers" never been added to this list under Gus' organization? (The ones that Tomas worked for) IMO they are definately significant enough to the plot to warrant mention. It can't be because they aren't named, because the Group Leader is already on here. Thanks, Klayman55 (talk) 17:59, 12 May 2017 (UTC)Klayman55

Images

Please someone add an image of the characters in the top right. It's driving me insane. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2ndmillienium (talk • contribs) 22:54, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

In response to "Excessive detail"

Yesterday I wrote several contributions to this and a few related articles; most of those have been entirely reverted by the same member, and I received a private message from that same member , with the title "Excessive detail". As I included several specific examples from those articles, this one in particular, I thought that it would make sense to copy that exchange here, either for future reference, or to elicit other opinions on those matters.

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Hi. Please stop writing all your personal essays and scripts in the form of TV show articles. The encyclopedia exists to be a summary, not a compendium or a literary script. And we have standards for neutral prose that are not thrilling or parenthetical or misspelled. You're putting entire sentences into subsentences, inside of what's already run-on sentences. Please stop writing until you review and understand and comply with WP:NOT WP:UNDUE WP:N WP:RS WP:FANCRUFT. This has wasted a lot of time by a lot of people, to delete it. It has been reverted so many times for so long that this constitutes disruptive editing. Users can be blocked for that. — Smuckola(talk) 18:21, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Double You Tee Eff ?! You talk about excess, perhaps you should consider your own... I found two misspelled words in my recent contributions (“unprofessinal”, “refering”); it was late and I didn't re-read everything, this can be quickly corrected, many native english speakers do worse in that regard on Wikipedia (I regularly correct misspellings myself) and are not (as far as I know) threatened with exclusion. (Regarding “behavior/behaviour”, Grammar.com says : “Behavior is the preferred spelling in American English. Behaviour is preferred everywhere else.” Wikipedia is supposed to be read everywhere, so why should the American English spelling be considered as the only legitimate ?) I can understand the critic about inappropriately convoluted sentences, but that can be corrected later on rather than entirely deleted – which is a waste of my time, definitely more than yours (it took you a few minutes to read and a spit second to delete). You could consider the effort it takes to write decent prose in a secondary language. You could consider that those edits were made in good faith, and see what they bring on the table, rather than what they “disrupt”. For instance, I added a section about Werner Ziegler in the “List of Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul characters” article : that character wasn't mentioned once, and yet, for anyone who watched Better Call Saul up to that point, and knows about Mike Ehrmantraut's fate in Breaking Bad, the german engineer should be considered as a major character – certainly more significant than “Spooge”, or Bogdan Wolynetz. Reading the section about Bogdan, I find this quite amusing with regards to those holy standards you mention, quote, unquote :

“When Bogdan hands the keys to the building over to Walter, he taunts Walter by implying that he needs his "woman" to do things for him. Walter, having been riled up by Bogdan, refuses to let him leave with his first American business dollar which had been framed and mounted in his shop. Subsequently, Walter spends that dollar in the vending machine to buy a can of soda.”

(Totally random example, I didn't read the entire article to select the most “gotcha-worthy” sentence.) Is that event significant enough to be mentioned in such an article ? If it is, then everything I added is significant enough and most of your remarks are undue. If it is not, then the entire article, and many, many, MANY other articles about fiction works should be considerably reduced, and in both cases I sure don't understand why you lash out at me in such a condescending manner.

As a matter of fact, on the “Mike Ehrmantraut” article, I noticed that this completely unrelated paragraph which I removed has been reintroduced in the current version :

“Gus removes Walt from the lab and puts Jesse in charge. Fearing for his and his family's lives, Walt frantically works to find a way to eliminate Gus. After a plan to bomb Gus' car fails, Walt convinces Jesse that Gus poisoned his girlfriend's son Brock with ricin, giving Jesse reason to turn on Gus. Based on Jesse's information, Walt gets Hector Salamanca to agree to kill Gus by detonating a bomb Walt attaches to Hector's wheelchair. Hector lures Gus to his nursing home room and succeeds in setting off the explosion, which kills Gus, Tyrus and himself. Walt and Jesse then destroy Gus' meth "superlab".”

How is this specifically related to Mike Ehrmantraut ? Talk about consistency...

I can also quote this sentence that you rewrote :

“However, the prequel series Better Call Saul revealed that Mike, a crooked cop himself, murdered two other crooked cops who had killed his honest police officer son Matt, who had hesitated to involve himself in any corrupt activities.”

(Again, random choice, I didn't thoroughly check all your recent contributions to select the most egregious example.) Isn't that at least as bad as my “parenthetical” sentences ? Again, I accept that particular criticism, but considering the harshness of your message as a whole, your own writing should be the epitome of perfection, which obviously it is not.

Regarding “fancruft”, I checked the article, and well, one could argue that dedicating entire articles to fictional characters in a TV series is already “fancruft”, yet those article exist, and are already very detailed – who says where the “cursor” should be put, who sets the standard of what is encyclopedic and what is not ? Apparently you Know with a capital K, and you alone can decide to remove entire contributions without warning. (By the way, I found it quite unsettling that Todd is described as shooting a boy “without warning” – a disturbingly clumsy phrasing which I tried to improve and which has also been reintroduced in the current version following your reversion – as if it would have been somehow more palatable if he had said something über-cool like : “Hey boy ! Watch out ! I'm gonna shoot you right here right now, cuz' I am the danger, yo, stay out of my territory, bitch !” That must be what they call “displaying one's bad side”. What I mean to say in this convoluted, parenthetical side note, is that “neutral style” doesn't equal “euphemistic style”, it is definitely undue to describe a character who is obviously a wicked psychopath as “displaying his bad side”, or repeatedly emphasize that he is otherwise polite, good-mannered and apologetic.)

--Abolibibelot (talk) 02:06, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

--Abolibibelot (talk) 02:40, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Mike Ehrmantraut

I realized recently that the choice of Mike's last name may have some interesting significance. It is known that he values trust and loyalty, and if you break up his (German) last name you get: "ehr" ~ "ehrlich" = honest/sincere; "man" ~ "Mann" = man (duh); and "traut" ~ "trauen" = to trust. I'm no expert on German surnames - it was just a neat observation. Worthy of the Wikipedia page? Somebody more familiar with German help me out here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeparie (talk • contribs) 23:59, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Fwiw, Ehrenmann means gentleman or man of honor. But I don't think one should read too much into it. Ehrmantraut/Ehrmanntraut is just a regular German name albeit not the most common. In an interview Gilligan said, that he (or one of his writers?) knew someone with that name and they thought it would fit the Mike character. 91.22.11.33 (talk) 10:21, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

In the Better Call Saul episode Something Stupid, Werner tells Mike that "Ehrmantraut" comes from two German words meaning "worldly" or "all-encompassing" and "strength." According to Google Translate, that checks out - "irmin" means "world," a descriptor for "all-encompassing" and "trud" means "strength."

Billmckern (talk) 07:12, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Ted Beneke "did not die"

In its current state the article contains this problematic sentence (among many others) :
"At the start of the fifth season, it is revealed that Beneke did not die from the fall. However, he has been gravely injured. When Skyler visits him in the hospital, an intimidated Ted guarantees his silence."
I tried to improve it but this edit was quickly reverted with no justification :
"At the start of the fifth season, it is revealed that Beneke is still in hospital as he has been gravely injured, and appears to be tetraplegic. When Skyler visits him, an intimidated Ted guarantees his silence, while she is horrified by the unwanted consequences of her actions."
– At no point is it implied or hinted at that Ted died in that accident; it may have been speculated by some during the hiatus between S4 and S5 but not justifiably so. The fall scene was a comic one from start to finish ("reasonably happy" and all), so its gruesome outcome should have come as a surprise based on that apparent levity. Yet the current wording makes it seem like seeing Ted in such an awful condition was actually a relief for the audience.
– Ted is more than "gravely injured", he appears to be tetraplegic, a condition which is irreversible. He will spend the rest of his life confined to a wheelchair and require a constant medical assistance.
– Ted is more than "intimidated", he is terrified, and Skyler is horrified indeed, and guilt-laden as she never intended to hurt him (although of course it was the consequence of his sheer stupidity).
--Abolibibelot (talk) 08:57, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

@Abolibibelot: I think "did not die" stems from Skyler learning about Ted's injury from Saul. My recollection is that when Saul tells Skyler something happened to Ted, she assumes Ted died and Saul has to explain that Ted is hospitalized. As for the rest, I'm not sure -- maybe I'll re-watch the episode or re-read the reviews and see if any details about Ted's condition are provided.

Billmckern (talk) 09:03, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

@Abolibibelot: I re-watched Season 5, Episode 1 today. When Saul tells Skyler that something happened to Ted, she does think he died and Saul has to correct her. When she visits Ted in the hospital he says that he told medical personnel and police that he tripped and fell. He tells Skyler that he has a family to care for, and won't ever say anything about the circumstances of his accident because he wants to keep them safe. His exact prognosis is never discussed, not his prospects for recovery.

I'll re-look the character bio and see if it needs any touching up based on that information.

Billmckern (talk) 16:44, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Title is not WP:CONCISE enough

It just seems unnecessarily long and hard to link to subsections.--Prisencolin (talk) 21:04, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

"Getz (Breaking Bad)" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Getz (Breaking Bad). Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Kailash29792 (talk) 09:31, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

More characters

Masem, Billmckern and Drovethrughosts, can you add more characters to this list? Only then I can create character redirects to them. --Kailash29792 (talk) 12:58, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Splitting Marie Schrader

@Kailash29792: The draft is viewable at Draft:Marie Schrader. I've tried to submit the article through WP:AFC, but it's been denied because they view this an a subject that already exists and suggests we propose splitting it here.--Prisencolin (talk) 20:23, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Masem, Billmckern and Drovethrughosts, you may want to help since you frequently edit these pages. Kailash29792 (talk) 02:53, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

I'd personally would want to see a larger expansion on the dev or reception sections as otherwise, the draft really only adds maybe 25% more prose and would be fine to put into this list article.

Some references I don't think you are using that I found: AV Club interview with Brandt, LAist with Brandt, Rolling Stone, GQ, and I'm sure there's more. When I try to expand BB/BCS characters, I find using "gilligan" in the search terms often helps alongside the name of the character or actor. --Masem (t) 15:34, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Masem: @Drovethrughosts: @Prisencolin: @Kailash29792: I agree with Masem. If the development and reception sections were expanded, the article on Marie might be better able to stand alone.

Billmckern (talk) 20:13, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you both Masem and Billmckern, now I hope someone can expand those sections using the sources. Prisencolin, this is a ray of hope. Kailash29792 (talk) 07:02, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Splitting Walter White Jr.

It's already been done with Marie Schrader recently (see above). Now Walt Jr. has his own draft which is viewable at Draft: Walter White Jr.. Much like Marie's page situation, this has to be discussed with other editors in order to deem if it is notable for a split. Pinging Kailash29792, Masem, Billmckern and Drovethrughosts. Thanks. The Optimistic One (talk) 10:33, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

The Optimistic One, I suggest you complete the "Fictional character biography" section with sources (preferably using {{cite episode}}), then it will be worth entering the mainspace. Kailash29792 (talk) 11:05, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Splitting into two

I have opened a discussion here. --Kailash29792 (talk) 19:11, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

• Strong oppose to the split. There's been far too many crossover characters to make any type of clean split (eg there will be a far fewer in the BCS list than here). What is needed is a drastic trimming of all the non-standalone character bios per WP:NOT#PLOT and WP:WAF. Every episode of BB + BCS is notable so we don't need to reiterate plots here, just enough to reference their key relevance in the show. --Masem (t) 19:57, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

  Billmckern, Drovethrughosts and The Optimistic One, I'd like your opinion. Kailash29792 (talk) 12:23, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@Masem: @Drovethrughosts: @The Optimistic One: @Kailash29792: - I concur with Masem. I don't see much sense in splitting the character lists because there's so much overlap. And I agree that shorter character descriptions is probably a good idea.

Billmckern (talk) 18:00, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

For example, we don't need necessarily a heading-per-character particularly for characters that have one or two lines (like the DEA agents that show up a few extra times). We need to write the minor characters with the same eye for broad coverage as we have for the major characters - characters that have more major roles like Hector, Tuco, Gale, Jane, probably can have 2-3 paragraphs but the others should be a para at most and avoid reading like reitating their plot elements in a blow-by-blow style. --Masem (t) 18:07, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Alright. Anyone working on reducing the list? A separate list of supporting characters (similar to List of supporting Arrow characters) not a good idea? Kailash29792 (talk) 05:29, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Citation for *Spolier* death’s.

Mando, Fabian and now Dalton are all still credited as Main cast despite them dying in 6x3, 6x7 and 6x8 respectively, A citation highlighting the fact that they are still credited, despite not appearing in the rest of the episodes following their death’s (with the exception of Fabian’s body) should be added for clarity. Louisrussian (talk) 15:17, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

They are still members of the main cast regardless of their character's current status. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 09:00, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

First/Last Appearances for Main Characters

Main Characters have their first/last appearances broken down by "Breaking Bad" and "Better Call Saul" as separate entities even though they are part of the same franchise. Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul/El Camino is one franchise, so first and last appearances should reflect that overall, not by series. Doing it that way makes spoilers about deaths more overt and gets bogged down in details. I brought this up on the Mike Ehrmantraut talk page and no on commented, but one user suggested I bring this up for discussion before making the edits. ThanosDidSomeThingsWrong19 (talk) 18:09, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Just because they are one franchise doesn't make them not seperate entities. Making their appearances across the "franchise" all as one makes no sense especially to people reading the article. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 18:49, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 12 August 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to List of characters in the Breaking Bad franchise. No such user (talk) 08:23, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

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List of Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul characters → List of Breaking Bad (franchise) characters – This list deals with characters from the entire franchise including El Camino. Kailash29792 (talk) 05:04, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Support. With the creation of the Breaking Bad (franchise) article it only makes sense to rename this mouthful page name. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 10:44, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Support I also agree with the reasoning that since an article deemed it a franchise, it should be moved as such for the sake of consistency. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 05:58, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Oppose. The parenthetical disambiguation is clunky and unnecessarily hides the BCS aspect to this article. Either the page should split into "List of Breaking Bad characters" and "List of Better Call Saul characters" (as other series with spinoffs mostly all have separate pages) or maintain the current title, which is clearer than what's proposed. El Camino, as a film, lists its cast/characters on that separate page. -- Wikipedical (talk) 15:51, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Both shows also list their characters on the main show page and season pages. The amount of crossover characters makes splitting impossible. Masem (t) 16:20, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Agreed, with the sheer amount of crossover between both shows it would be pointless to split. You would either end up with plot important and major characters like Jimmy being in only one list or both lists when he could just be in a singular list. This goes for basically every other major character too. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 17:41, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Considering the “Breaking Bad (franchise)” page is mostly pointless also, mostly duplicating content at other pages, I’m still okay with split pages or my preference of leaving the status quo in tact. I don’t think removing “Better Call Saul” from the title does more good clarifying what this page is about, just as I would oppose changing List of Full House and Fuller House characters to “List of characters in the Full House franchise.” -- Wikipedical (talk) 18:18, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

As far as I know Full House and Fuller House are the only two entries in the Full House "francise". Breaking Bad has a lot more media spawned off of it (Better Call Saul, El Camino, Slippin' Jimmy etc) so it makes more sense to call it a franchise. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 18:47, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Support but I would the name "List of characters in the Breaking Bad franchise" as a more language-natural title. Masem (t) 16:18, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

"The amount of crossover characters makes splitting impossible". But then numerous actors in the Arrowverse have crossed over across series. See List of Arrow characters, List of Legends of Tomorrow characters, etc. Kailash29792 (talk) 06:02, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

My understanding of the Arrowverse shows is that while there are shared characters, the appearance between series is more akin to cameos; a quick scan of both those articles do not show top-level starring role characters showing up as starring roles in both series, for example. That makes it easy to split the line between shows. Here, we have Saul, Mike, and Gus (at minimum) as characters that are stars in both shows, and thus makes it impossible to split those up due to that. Masem (t) 12:19, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

• Support List of characters in the Breaking Bad franchise as a more natural phrasing. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 13:27, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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