Talk:List of Yo-kai Watch (2014 TV series) episodes
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Something went fubar with the page when I was editing episode names for 83, 85, and 86, and it was via the app. Sorry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vrgin X (talk • contribs) 09:35, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Yo-kai Watch English Dub[edit]
English titles of the first eight episodes of the Yo-Kai Watch anime are now up. The first five episodes will air on Disney XD the week of October 5th at 5 pm E/P, than every Monday at 5pm E/P. Vrgin X (talk) 08:05, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
Ratings[edit]
Why is someone adding the American viewer ratings for this show? It makes no sense. It's a show from Japan, not America. If the viewer ratings should be added it should be for Japan where it's most popular and not the US where it's just started and Gatordragon has to use a website that lists every show's ratings just to add it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:140:8200:DE:955E:11:191:C546 (talk) 05:29, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
- Per normal WikiProject Television editing, unless the series was a Japan–American co-production, the American dates and ratings should not be included in the article. We wouldn't, for instance, start logging every air date in every nation that the series has been broadcast. If these episodes aired in the US before they aired in Japan, then we might make an exception, but that does not seem to be the case. The English air date column should be removed as inconsistent with community standards. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:38, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
- I know of not other case where US ratings are include in an anime episode list, but as for English air dates, specifically what "standard" are you referring to, the standard as imagined by a very narrow group of individuals that is not reflective of common practice or the standard as practice on other anime episode lists—including Featured Lists? Because almost all anime series that has had an English television broadcast have English dates on them. —Farix (t | c) 19:37, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
- Well you raise an interesting point, Farix. What would be the relevant MOS for this content? MOS:ANIME, which doesn't say anything about including all the air dates for the English-speaking run of a series? Or MOS:TV, which also doesn't encourage the inclusion of all the air dates for the English-speaking run of a series? As this is a TV series, it would still fall under the scope of WikiProject Television, I think. Generally speaking, the only content that is typically noteworthy is the first-run of a series. Episode guides for The Twilight Zone, for instance, don't likely endeavor to track all the secondary and subsequent rerun air dates and reruns aren't particularly noteworthy since they typically constitute filler programming. Per WP:TVINTL, we might note the broadcast of the series in English-speaking nations, but that would typically only focus on the premiere date in that nation, the network, and maybe an end date, but certainly not *all* the English-language air dates, and certainly not unsourced ones at that. I'm having trouble even thinking of community-wide precedent for this detail. In film articles, we only care about the first release of a film in its nation(s) of origin, unless the film first airs somewhere else (if a Turkish movie premieres at Cannes first, for instance). We don't typically care when the first English dub of the film was released. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:54, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
- Style guidelines are suppose to be descriptive of common practice. If they are not, then the guidelines need to be updated. Since nearly 100% of all anime broadcasts broadcasted in English have their airdates listed (the only exceptions are those that have fell through the cracks), then this is clearly a common practice. The only real details that need to be ironed out is sourcing and what constitutes an "air date" as I've seen several editors include subtitled web simulcasts and DVD release dates as English "air dates". —Farix (t | c) 02:23, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
- Your point is noted, however, common practice is also to include unsourced content, speculation, misuse of boldface, typographical errors, and so forth. Without the discussion to back the common practice, there is no solid consensus. What is the best metric for inclusion are our normal consensus-deciding discussions that weigh a number of factors. WP:TVINTL doesn't want all the English-language air dates for a non-English production, only noteworthy broadcast information as mentioned above. Now, should such a discussion take place, I would gladly relent, but I don't think the consensus via discussion yet exists, and if I'm wrong, please correct me. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 06:24, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
- Style guidelines are suppose to be descriptive of common practice. If they are not, then the guidelines need to be updated. Since nearly 100% of all anime broadcasts broadcasted in English have their airdates listed (the only exceptions are those that have fell through the cracks), then this is clearly a common practice. The only real details that need to be ironed out is sourcing and what constitutes an "air date" as I've seen several editors include subtitled web simulcasts and DVD release dates as English "air dates". —Farix (t | c) 02:23, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
- Well you raise an interesting point, Farix. What would be the relevant MOS for this content? MOS:ANIME, which doesn't say anything about including all the air dates for the English-speaking run of a series? Or MOS:TV, which also doesn't encourage the inclusion of all the air dates for the English-speaking run of a series? As this is a TV series, it would still fall under the scope of WikiProject Television, I think. Generally speaking, the only content that is typically noteworthy is the first-run of a series. Episode guides for The Twilight Zone, for instance, don't likely endeavor to track all the secondary and subsequent rerun air dates and reruns aren't particularly noteworthy since they typically constitute filler programming. Per WP:TVINTL, we might note the broadcast of the series in English-speaking nations, but that would typically only focus on the premiere date in that nation, the network, and maybe an end date, but certainly not *all* the English-language air dates, and certainly not unsourced ones at that. I'm having trouble even thinking of community-wide precedent for this detail. In film articles, we only care about the first release of a film in its nation(s) of origin, unless the film first airs somewhere else (if a Turkish movie premieres at Cannes first, for instance). We don't typically care when the first English dub of the film was released. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:54, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
- I know of not other case where US ratings are include in an anime episode list, but as for English air dates, specifically what "standard" are you referring to, the standard as imagined by a very narrow group of individuals that is not reflective of common practice or the standard as practice on other anime episode lists—including Featured Lists? Because almost all anime series that has had an English television broadcast have English dates on them. —Farix (t | c) 19:37, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
Air dates unsourced[edit]
The bulk of the English air dates are unsourced, and as a result, are at risk of being deleted. Additions like these, which add more unsourced dates, are nice gestures, but don't make the article any more reliable. Vrgin X, can you source the dates you added? Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:27, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
Zap2it. Here you go. Signing out, A Clockwork Orange From the Future | Ask me anything. 22:40, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Exactly how is the Season separation determined for this article?[edit]
Even by modern Japanese standards, 76 episodes is kind of long for a "TV season" and the official end of Season 1 in the US is episode 26, which makes sense as Nate gets the watch from Yo-Kai Watch 2 in episode 27, not to mention that 26 episode seasons are fairly normal. For comparison, according to the articles on this very site, The first season of Yu-Gi-Oh! Zexal has 27 episodes, the first two seasons of Digimon Fusion have 30 and 24 respectively and the first season of Sword Art Online has 25. Mattwo7 (talk) 17:59, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
- In Japan, episode 77 was called the start of the セカンドシーズン or "Second Season".--2601:140:8206:3980:FD1E:447D:6A94:4D76 (talk) 23:06, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
- [citation needed] Mattwo7 (talk) 05:33, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
- This says the second season started on July 10, 2015 which was when episode 77 aired in Japan. Therefore, the "Second Season" began with that episode.--2601:140:8206:3980:29E6:1F60:261B:F2A7 (talk) 04:31, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
- Verifiability is dubious as it is not an official source and is not well known to westerners. Not to mention English speaking sources are preferred according to Wikipedia's own policies. As I have provided an English official source that contradicts your source, you will have to provide an official source, not one from a blog for it to even be considered. At best it will probably only be mentioned. Mattwo7 (talk) 05:58, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
- Animate.tv is a Japanese news website for animation. They are not a blog. Here are a bunch of other websites that say that th "Second Season" happened with this change as well. Dengeki Online (major website for video game news), PR Times (website owned by TV Tokyo who airs the anime in Japan). And there's also this from the official Japanese Yo-Kai Watch website saying that "Second Season" began in July 2015 with the introduction of Inaho and this news entry on TV Tokyo's website for Yo-Kai Watch saying that the Second Season began on July 10, 2015. The division on this page is based on how Japan decided when what they called the "Second Season" began and not based on Disney XD's broadcast of only 26 episodes so far.--2601:140:8206:3980:4805:3683:D8D2:B435 (talk) 08:07, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
- Why didn't you give an official source to begin with and why did you list sources aside from Youkai-watch.jp? That much is plenty. Also, you need to understand that I would have had no way of knowing what kind of website Animate.tv is because I do not speak or read japanese. In the future when you see this sort of thing called into question, you should start with an official source right off the bat... Mattwo7 (talk) 06:37, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
- Animate.tv is a Japanese news website for animation. They are not a blog. Here are a bunch of other websites that say that th "Second Season" happened with this change as well. Dengeki Online (major website for video game news), PR Times (website owned by TV Tokyo who airs the anime in Japan). And there's also this from the official Japanese Yo-Kai Watch website saying that "Second Season" began in July 2015 with the introduction of Inaho and this news entry on TV Tokyo's website for Yo-Kai Watch saying that the Second Season began on July 10, 2015. The division on this page is based on how Japan decided when what they called the "Second Season" began and not based on Disney XD's broadcast of only 26 episodes so far.--2601:140:8206:3980:4805:3683:D8D2:B435 (talk) 08:07, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
- Verifiability is dubious as it is not an official source and is not well known to westerners. Not to mention English speaking sources are preferred according to Wikipedia's own policies. As I have provided an English official source that contradicts your source, you will have to provide an official source, not one from a blog for it to even be considered. At best it will probably only be mentioned. Mattwo7 (talk) 05:58, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
- This says the second season started on July 10, 2015 which was when episode 77 aired in Japan. Therefore, the "Second Season" began with that episode.--2601:140:8206:3980:29E6:1F60:261B:F2A7 (talk) 04:31, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
- [citation needed] Mattwo7 (talk) 05:33, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
It can get VERY confusing when the Western regions separate anime shows into different season sets then Japan. We wind up with two constantly mixing sets of episode listings. Thanks for helping me figure this out, guys. Gonna go watch the AMERICAN season 2 of YKW now. -Random Viewer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.97.55.173 (talk) 00:06, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
Note For American Season 2?[edit]
On Episode 27, should we put a note saying "in the US, this episode marked the start of Season 2"? Theexploringgamer (talk) 12:03, 26 December 2016 (UTC)