Talk:List of High School DxD characters

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Family name[edit]

Concerning Demon family names, since they're named after the 72 Demons from Ars Goetia, shouldn't the "Phoenix" family be written as "Phenex" to match the spelling from that book? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.30.49.192 (talk) 10:34, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Phenex can be alternatively read as "Phoenix", since they share the same Katakana. Since they have inherited powers from the Phoenix, "Phoenix" is a more suitable name. K2NR (talk) 13:33, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
To keep consistency with the light novel and manga, Phenex should be used in place of Phoenix. Tng88 (talk • contribs) 02:25, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It is also mentioned in the light novel why the family is using Phenex instead of Phoenix for the family name.
Use Riser Phoenix per episode 8 of the anime as translated by Funimation. They are referring to the mythological bird. Until the light novels are officially translated, use the Funimation translation. -AngusWOOF (talk) 04:08, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm okay with adding Phenex as an alias or alternate spelling, as long as it's insisted by the author to use that spelling in favor of the natural one. An illustration where it says Phenex is not enough, as that can just be Engrish. -AngusWOOF (talk) 20:35, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Maou vs Satan[edit]

Maou is the Japanese word for Satan and should be used instead.
Disagree. Maou is not used in the English anime adaptation, rather Sir Zechs is referred to as a great devil or devil king. -AngusWOOF (talk) 22:04, 10 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Cao Cao vs Sousou[edit]

I want to keep Cao Cao as "Sousou" because it is the Japanese reading of the latter, which makes sense since DxD is a Japanese light novel. Also, if you check Ikki Tousen and Dynasty Warriors, they use the same reading as well.

On the Great Red issue, I want to keep the the as a preface since it is sort of like a title. K2NR (talk) 11:30, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The characters translate to Cao Cao.

If it is a "title", the would also be capitalized. But it is not a title. 11:41, 25 June 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.164.184.188 (talk)

As I said before, DxD is a Japanese novel, thus the Japanese readings of Chinese characters (like Sousou/Cao Cao) are different. I want to keep the Japanese reading of Cao Cao for consistency. K2NR (talk) 11:48, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Being a Japanese novel is not a valid argument. The characters translate to Cao Cao. Tng88 (talk) 08:15, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Also, Son Goku is a DBZ character and incorrect, it's Sun Wukong. Son Goku is based on Sun Wuking but Sun Wukong is the character used in the light novels. Tng88 (talk) 08:24, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well the monkey king character is referred to as Son Goku in the English anime. It does not mention Cao Cao / Sou Sou as that is involved in further volumes past the anime's scope. -AngusWOOF (talk) 22:33, 10 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Full protection[edit]

For the love of...when you have a dispute about how an article should be edited, talk about it, here, on the talk page. Don't revert each other something like 20 times. I could have just blocked all parties for going way way beyond WP:3RR, but I decided to be kinder and fully protect the article for a week. Please sort out your dispute here, and, if you need help, follow the dispute resolution process. If the edit warring resumes after the protection expires, I'll just block editors causing the problem. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:26, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

We have already reached an agreement on the dispute above, but what's done is done, I suppose. Sorry for making you frustrated. We all need a cooldown period sometimes. K2NR (talk) 01:54, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any such agreement. I see an argument that people never finished. As I said, if you can't reach an agreement amongst yourselves, consider dispute resolution. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:36, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Conception section and references[edit]

Ever since I started this page a couple months ago, I have seen it evolve from a relatively small page to one huge page in which the main character should have his own page. But now there is an issue that I would like to discuss. There are so many words and facts on this page, but nothing to back it up. All bark and no bite. So I'm asking this as a fellow Wiki anime otaku: we need references from the light novels themselves, be it direct quotes or pages. Also, the author has made some conceptions in each of the Afterwords, so I would like to have those mentioned in both the main page and characters page. Thanks. K2NR (talk) 00:52, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reformat?[edit]

All right. I am thinking about getting this article reformatted in such a way that it would be presentable. For a very good example of what a list should look like, I am using List of Naruto characters (an FL) as a reference point. If anyone has objections to this, please let me know. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 05:00, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The Article is clean and organized enough as it is. In fact, I have been thinking about the possibility for it to be submitted for a B-Class review. --(B)～（ー．ー）～(Z) (talk) 10:45, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You don't need consensus to improve the article. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 05:34, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Character reorganization[edit]

I've reorganized the character list into Protagonists, Major groups and organizations, and Other characters. Could someone please check if this is good enough for B-class Structure, and if not, please recommend any better methods. It is difficult to separate out the antagonists from the general groups as some of the opponents are involved in friendly matches or ally later so I made it more like the One Piece and Fairy Tail lists.

I also recommend the following to make the list more concise:

  • Remove or group minor one-story one-shot characters and characters mentioned in passing. For instance, the fallen angels in the first anime series has been shortened to a single paragraph, focusing mainly on Raynare. If they're really that important, you can add them back. The Evil Pieces can be grouped under the team leader. I've done this on many of the teams already.
  • Unlink article references to devils, angels, and mythological beings. Redirect them to characters in-universe. Azazel should refer to the character in the series, not the actual Azazel of the folklore, unless there is an explicit reference to that person
  • Remove minor plot information such as who is eliminated in a match or how. Details such as Raynare's defeat can be described in the other articles such as the light novels, chapters, or episodes listings.
  • For character descriptions, use Issei's perspective (light novels), a reviewer's perspective, or something from their character profiles (manga). Do not note every variant of the character's nicknames unless it is frequently used like "Ruin Princess".
  • Remove supporting descriptions of "he likes his master". It's implied the servants are loyal to their masters. Also remove colors and characteristics unless that is particularly significant.
  • Remove list of moves/gear for each character to their most essential abilities. Nihongo foot their translations, and remove the literal translation as they pronounce many of the terms in English anyway. For example: Mirror Alice (追憶の鏡（ミラー・アリス） Mirā Arisu?, lit. "Mirror of Recollection") doesn't need the lit. part
  • Lower case "angel", "devil", "fallen angel", "family" and chess pieces unless they are proper noun titles.
  • Use Funimation's (anime) spelling for characters and their abilities unless the light novels are officially published in English.

-AngusWOOF (talk) 22:40, 4 May 2014 (UTC), updated 01:44, 5 May 2014 (UTC) and 05:15, 8 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

English anime adaptation as standard[edit]

The English anime adaptation for High School DxD is the first of the franchise to be released. The manga volume 1 is being released this month (May 2014). Therefore, the descriptions used from the anime will be applied to the characters up through season 2. The light novels have not been released in English yet.

In particular:

  • Issei Hyodo and Koneko Toujou (no macrons)
  • Sir Zechs Lucifer instead of Sirzechs Lucifer
  • Phoenix family instead of Phenex family
  • Gasper Bloody instead of Gasper Vladi (although the latter may become acceptable depending on upcoming manga)
  • Orphis instead of Ophis
  • Chaos Brigade instead of Khaos Brigade

We should revisit this as more manga volumes come out from Yen Press. But most of the terms are based on the English names, especially Phoenix and Chaos, so I don't see that varying. The main character girls first names are spelled out in the closing credits of the second anime season regardless of sub/dub so those are consistent. -AngusWOOF (talk) 22:51, 10 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There have been multiple edits to change Sir Zechs back to Sirzechs and Orphis to Ophis, but without any sourcing from the English adaptations. If Funimation did indeed screw up the spelling of the name, bring it up with them so they can correct it when they simulcast translate Season 3 or when they release Season 2 on English dub. I've left Sirzechs as an alternate spelling. -AngusWOOF (talk) 22:25, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sirzechs' name[edit]

It is not Sir Zechs but Sirzechs.

Sirzechs' name is derived from the names of two characters from the Gundam series: Char Aznable and Zechs Merquise. Source In fact, all the names of the current Maous, descendants of the original Maou, and Millicas are combinations of characters from said series. Jopjopjop (talk) 13:15, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That may be where the name is derived from and is perhaps spelled in the website or romanization, however, the English anime dub adaptation uses the Sir Zechs spelling. The English manga has not published his volumes yet. Sirzechs is listed as the alternate and as an anchor. -AngusWOOF (talk) 18:54, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As an update to this, the Yen Press manga uses Sirzechs [1] so this will be the common name followed by Sir Zechs as alternative per the anime. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:55, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sources for Reception[edit]

Here are some sources that we can use for the reception section.

Hope these help. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 17:19, 15 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bilingual[edit]

Why is Issei's second special move called "Bilingual"? If you look carefully at the katakana, it is clearly "Pailingual", a play on "Pai", a shortening of "oppai" or breasts and "bilingual". The "Pa" and "Ba" katakana look similar, with the only difference being the first has a tiny circle made by a handful of pixels next to it and the second has two tiny dashes made up of even fewer pixels. It's easy to mistake one for the other, but a close look at the reference shows that it's clearly "Pailingual".

That's the Funimation notation for his name. If you have an issue with how it was translated, I suggest you take it up with them, or Yen Press, if they are going to publish the light novels in English. Also please provide a reference for the pai and lingual. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:02, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
If you refer to the Katakana page (with further details on the Dakuten and handakuten page, pronunciation is specified for the ハ,パ,バ characters. The character used in the citation (バ) is pronounced as 'pa'.
Incidentally, the circle diacritic that resembles a degree is referred to as 'maru' or 'handakuten' ('maru' being 'circle'). Were it spelt with the quotation marks diacritic (パ), then it would be pronounced 'ba'. That mark is referred to as 'tenten' (for dots) or 'dakuten'. ogenstein (talk) 14:14, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Koneko Toujou[edit]

There is a part where Koneko eventually developed feelings for Issei that needs to be written down. Mreci1 (talk) 17:28, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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