Talk:Lee Gottfried

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Request Edit A[edit]

This edit request by an editor with a partial block was declined. The reviewer would like to request the editor with a COI attempt to discuss with editors engaged in the subject-area first.

Under "Works" section, please add the following house designed by L.E. Gottfried:
- Jarvis House (1920s)^[1]

Greg Henderson (talk) 15:56, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Greghenderson2006:, while it's understandable you can't immediately review every article, how come the edit requests you make do not include request to remove dubiously sourced contents, like information found on FAMILYSEARCH? I didn't remove it personally, because I'd actually have to go through all the sources and isolate which of the information is supportable by the source that isn't FAMILYSEARCH that is also cited. Graywalls (talk) 06:36, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I should have and just made the request edit. Thanks! Greg Henderson (talk) 13:33, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done you're only citing a historical photo caption that just happens to cover a house Gottfried designed perhaps as a time in point photo but not particularly notable. I declined it for the reason WP:NOTEVERYTHING. Graywalls (talk) 21:10, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Graywalls: The photo of the Jarvis House is notable for the following reasons. The photograph was done by Carmel photographer Lewis Josselyn (notice the L. Josselyn stamp mark on the picture) and built by master builder Lee Gottfried. It is also shows his use of Tudor Revival (English Cottage) and Storybook architecture-styles of roof, overhangs, and archways that are rounded and curved like waves. The link and citation is Encyclopedic content because it covers and links three main areas: Tudor Revival architecture, Lee Gottfried, and photographer Lewis Josselyn. This type of architecture is important because it was buit in the 1920s and is representative of Gottfried's work and style. The Carmel Weavers Studio was built by Gottfried and is another example of this cottage style. Greg Henderson (talk) 17:39, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The photographer is non-notable. That's the same non notable subject deleted in AfD. This claim of importance should be supported with reliable, secondary source. When it is left to the words of editors wishing to insert it, encyclopedia becomes a pile of indiscriminate information. Graywalls (talk) 19:42, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "SBCAA: Jarvis House (Carmel, Calif.)". AD&A Museum UC Satna Barbara. Carmel, California. 1920s. Retrieved 2023-11-14.

Request Edit B[edit]

This edit request by an editor with a partial block from editing this page has now been answered.

Under early life please remove source citation for familysearch.org. Greg Henderson (talk) 13:32, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

but is everything in prose directly and completely supportable with the non FamilySearch source? If not, you need to go through and prune what's only supported with FamilySearch. Graywalls (talk) 02:04, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Greghenderson2006:, please explain where you got everything I removed here. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lee_Gottfried&diff=1185968123&oldid=1184397202 , other than where the funeral service was held. I removed the funeral service location is excessive unnecessary trivia. When you said to remove FS, you didn't identify FS sourced information and this would've caused the retention of unreliably sourced information. Am I missing something here? Are details of his parents' details covered in sources already cited? Graywalls (talk) 02:56, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Graywalls: Thank you for reviewing my edit request. Gottfried's birthdate (July 12, 1896) is listed in his Social Security Death Index; U.S. Death Index; Ohio, County Births; Ohio, U.S. Births adn Christenings Index; as well as the birth year listed on U.S. Census records and his obituary. His birth place is listed in the Ohio, Births and Christenings Index and Ohio, County Births. These are U.S. government issued documents that prove his birth year and birth place. His parents names are also listed in these documents. His wife, Bonnie Adele Hale's birth year is listed under her U.S. Death Index. Are U.S. documents not a reliable sources? What would be the best way to list these sources without saying they came from FamilySearch.org or Ancestry.com? I can upload the source to Internet Archive if that would help. Greg Henderson (talk) 16:34, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:NOR, WP:PRIMARY. Researching primary sources and assembling primary sources and publishing the connection into a family tree need to be done in a reliable source and the fact its done by users is the reason Family Search and Ancestry are listed as unreliable in WP:RSP. Also, Wikipedia is not genealogy website. Graywalls (talk) 19:46, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Request Edit C[edit]

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. The reviewer would like to request the editor with a COI attempt to discuss with editors engaged in the subject-area first.

Under "Works" section, please add the following house designed by L.E. Gottfried:
- Jarvis House (1920s)^[1]^[2]
The photo of the Jarvis House is notable according to the following reliable, secondary sources:
- The house was built by master builder Lee Gottfried^[1]^[2]^[3]
- The photograph was done by Carmel photographer Lewis Josselyn^[1]^[4]^[5]

Greg Henderson (talk) 21:52, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

At least some of this was declined for WP:NOTEVERYTHING. Please do not keep submitting same requests to shop reviewers until you get the result you want. Discuss. You're welcome to post in relevant WikiProject pages asking for input there. Graywalls (talk) 23:19, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Declined, and comment requested at : Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography#Requesting_input_on_edit_requests_on_Lee_Gottfried Graywalls (talk) 00:25, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ ^a ^b ^c "SBCAA: Jarvis House (Carmel, Calif.)". AD&A Museum UC Satna Barbara. Carmel, California. 1920s. Retrieved 2023-11-14.
^ ^a ^b "Pine Needles". Carmel Pine Cone. Carmel, California. June 28, 1924. Retrieved 2023-11-21.
^ "Finding Aid for the Santa Barbara Community Arts Association records, circa 1922-circa 1935 0000172". Online Archive of California. 2012. Retrieved 2023-11-21.
^ "Lewis Josselyn (1883-1964)" (PDF). www.tfaoi.org. p. 460. Retrieved 2023-11-14.
^ "Back to the Drawing Board with Artist Jo Mora" (PDF). Monterey History and Art Association. LII (3). Monterey, California. 2003. Retrieved 2023-11-13.

[1] "SBCAA: Jarvis House (Carmel, Calif.)". AD&A Museum UC Satna Barbara. Carmel, California. 1920s. Retrieved 2023-11-14.

[“Museum”-2] "SBCAA: Jarvis House (Carmel, Calif.)". AD&A Museum UC Satna Barbara. Carmel, California. 1920s. Retrieved 2023-11-14.

[“Needles”-3] "Pine Needles". Carmel Pine Cone. Carmel, California. June 28, 1924. Retrieved 2023-11-21.

[“Archive”-4] "Finding Aid for the Santa Barbara Community Arts Association records, circa 1922-circa 1935 0000172". Online Archive of California. 2012. Retrieved 2023-11-21.

[5] "Lewis Josselyn (1883-1964)" (PDF). www.tfaoi.org. p. 460. Retrieved 2023-11-14.

[6] "Back to the Drawing Board with Artist Jo Mora" (PDF). Monterey History and Art Association. LII (3). Monterey, California. 2003. Retrieved 2023-11-13.

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