Talk:Lamp of Brotherhood

Title

The title should be: "Lamp of Brotherhood" not Lamp of the the Brotherhood. How can this be changed? Thanks

Richmark40 Richmark40 (talk) 00:54, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Info sought on other Lamps

The article ends with some text about the author's search for information about other such lamps, and questions he would like answered. This material belongs here, not in the article:--Srleffler (talk) 02:25, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Despite numerous e-mails and letters to the Abbey, New Zealand War Memorial, and Venray Church, there has been no response to a request for information to establish the provenance of the lamp.

The curator of St Mary’s Church in England was the sole responder, but did not have any information. He wrote: "I'm afraid that all we know about the Lamp of Brotherhood, which is still permanently lit in front of our war memorial, is what is on our website. We understand that it was given to the church in 1964, but no-one I have spoken to now remembers who gave it or in what circumstances. ..."

Provenance

Any information as to the provenance of the Lamps would be most welcome. Of particular interest are answers to the following questions:

1. Were the Lamps actually cast from the bronze doors of the Abbey?
2. How many Lamps were distributed and to whom?
3. Where are the surviving lamps located?

Guthrie's photographs

The list of captions and handwritten notes on Guthrie's photographs are not really useful without the photographs themselves. They may also be difficult to verify. I'm removing them from the article and putting them here. --Srleffler (talk) 05:00, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

There are a number of photographs in AVM Guthrie's album featuring the lamp: Link to Album

1. Lampada – Rome 1956

In front of a large schematic of the Lamp, Msgr Fernando Baldelli speaks to an organizational meeting of "Lampada."

The handwritten inscription of the back of the photograph reads:

"Lampada"

Org meeting – Rome – April 1956

Speaker–Msgr Fernando Baldelli (Vatican) – head of "Caritas" world organization.

2. Lampada – Rome 1956

Two delegates stand In front of a large schematic of the Lamp. The handwritten inscription of the back of the photograph reads:

"Lampada"

Org meeting – Rome – April 1956

L/R Prince Bertie de Lijne ( ex RCAF Belgian trained pilot)

Bib Van Lauschot (Holland) (Treas. Gen. WVF)

3. Lampada – Rome 1958

Ten Delegates stand in front of a large backdrop displaying east and west hemispherical maps, beneath the title in 4 languages:

OPERA MONDAILE DELLA LAMPADA DELLA FRATERNITA,

WORLD ORGANIZATION OF THE LAMP OF BROTHERHOOD,

OUVRE MONDAILE DE LA LAMPE DE LA FRANTERNITE,

WELTVERLEINIGUNG DER LAMPE DER BRUDERLICHKEIT.

The handwritten inscription of the back of the photograph lists the delegates from Italy, Ceylon, Holland, France, Belgium, and Australia.

4. Lamps at Monte Cassino 1959.

At least 20 war widows and mothers, each carrying a Lamp climb the stairs of the Abbey during its reconstruction in 1959. The hand written inscription on the back of the photograph reads:

"Montecassino – 1959"

The "Lamp" of Peace which will burn on the graves of Fallen Soldiers is brought to the partly rebuilt Abbey by War mothers and widows."

5. St Agathe, Quebec 1959.

The Lamp is brought up the stairs towards the Cenotaph by a veteran, accompanied by a lady bearing a wick and flame, preceded by the Silver Cross Mother.

6. St Agathe, Quebec 1959.

The Lamp is visible at the base of the Cenotaph as veterans salute.

7. Vancouver, October 25th 1964.

The Lamp lies near a pool at the Air Force Garden of Remembrance, Stanley Park as a Chaplain conducts a dedication service before assembled senior Air Force Officers

The cover of the programme reads:

Ceremonial Planting of an English Oak Tree in the Air Forces Garden of Remembrance Stanley Park, Vancouver, British Columbia Canada on Sunday, October 25th 1964 as a memorial to Royal Air Force Airman who trained in Canada and lost their lives in World War II and as a gesture of appreciation of the kindness of the Canadian people to Royal Air Force Airman

The inside of the programme reads:

Order of Service

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN

Placement of Lamp of Brotherhood in the Air Forces Garden of Remembrance: Mesdames Martin and Collins, assisted by Msgr. Rt. Rev. James F. Carney, Vicar-General of Vancouver and Air Vice Marshal K. M. Guthrie, C.B., C.B.E., C. D.

8. Pope Paul – Rome 1968.

Pope Paul blessing a lamp. The hand written inscription on the back of the photograph reads:

"Rome January 1st 1968: Pope Paul blessing the 'Lamp' to be placed on the Altar at the Abbey of Montecassino. Ceremony shown held in 'Vestments Hall'."

9. Monte Cassino – 1968.

A lady holds a lamp, flanked by dignitaries beneath an arch inscribed "PAX".

The handwritten inscription of the back of the photograph reads:

Montecassino, Italy

1 January 1968, arrival of party from Rome with "Lamp" blessed there by Pope Paul.

"Lamp" was placed on altar of Abbey of Montecassino by Abbott.

10. Vancouver 1976

Clipping from The Vancouver Sun, 20 Sep 1976. An Air Force veteran holds the Lamp in front of a Colour Party. The caption reads:

BATTLE of BRITAIN SUNDAY.

George O. Grasdal holds the Lamp of Brotherhood at Sunday’s commemorative ceremony in the Air Force Garden of Remembrance in Stanley Park. Flag-bearers from left: Bill Cain, Gilbert Berry, Alec Kay and Harry Bohart. Ian Couper photo.

Some of those photographs might be good additions to the article. If Guthrie's heirs are willing to donate them, they could upload the pictures and provide the captions, so that we could try to incorporate some of them into the article.--Srleffler (talk) 00:27, 31 May 2020 (UTC)