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I wonder what is the importance of the opinion of two blogs in the section Anti-LGBT violence: Gays de Direita (right wing gays) and Veja (article by Reinaldo Azevedo). The two references are highly biased. I will take the liberty of highlighting some parts of the article by Reinaldo Azevedo:

"Pois bem. São assassinadas no Brasil, a cada ano, 50 mil pessoas. Se, desse total, 190 eram homossexuais, então concluímos que eles representam apenas 0,38% das vítimas. SERIA O CASO DE ACUSAR UMA DISCRIMINAÇÃO CONTRA OS HETEROSSEXUAIS?"

TRANSLATION: "In Brazil, each year, 50 thousand people are murdered. If 190 are homosexuals, then we conclude that only 0.38% of the victims are homosexuals, IS THIS THE CASE OF HETEROSEXUAL DISCRIMINATION?"

(For some reason, the author confuses registered cases of homophobia with absolute numbers of homophobia, criticizing the data for not taking account violence in countries that doesn't have any statistics about sexual discrimination): "será que há mais crimes homofóbicos no Brasil do que no Irã ou na Arábia Saudita? Ops! Desculpem! Esqueci que não existe homossexualismo no Irã e na Arábia Saudita. É proibido! E aí ninguém é…"

TRANSLATION: "Do you think there is more crime against homosexuals in Brazil than in Iran or Saudi Arabia? Oh yeah, sorry. I forgot that there is no homosexuals in Saudi Arabia. Is forbidden! So nobody is..."

(The author criticizes the high number of crimes against transexuals found by the research): "Qual é o “risco” de um travesti estar envolvido com o mundo do crime na comparação com qualquer outra, vá lá, categoria sexual do país?"

TRANSLATION: "What is the probability of a travestite be involved with crime by comparison with others, let's say, sexual categories of the country?"

(About Pernambuco being the most violent against homosexuals): "Se 27 forem homossexuais, isso representa menos de 0,7% do total. Como se vê, também ali se pode acusar um inaceitável preconceito contra… heterossexuais"

TRANSLATION: "If 27 (of murdered people) are homosexuals, that's less than 0,7% of the total (of murders). As you can see, there you can find an unacceptable case of prejudice against... Heterosexual people".

As for the other blog, it's simply a small opinative right wing blog. I fail to see any importance at all in that blog. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 179.125.225.147 (talk) 11:29, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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In June 2008, two army guys Fernando de Alcântara de Figueiredo and Laci Marinho de Araújo were accused of deserting because they came out as a gay couple. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.1.109.255 (talk) 04:06, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about LGBT rights in Brazil. There are many news that are not about rights! Jur (talk) 03:04, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The edit I made on the summary table was edited back to its original version. I have to note here that Brazilian states have autonomy enough to make their own legislation regarding same-sex marriage, and indeed as of November 26 of this year, the northeastern state of Bahia has authorized gay couples to register their marriage in any notary . If my editing was not allowed for some reason, then I request that some higher power read up on the recent news and update the article.

The legislation allows for gay couples to register their married status just as easily and normally as any straight couple starting on Nov 26. I won't provide sources because anyone can Google search (there already are reactions in English) and I've already done so in the talk of the article "LGBT rights by country or territory" and the image "World homosexuality laws.svg".

Thank you. Onwalkerin (talk) 01:52, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Men who have sex with men ("Transgender" section)[edit]

I truncated by accident the edit summary for that revision. Changed links to "Bisexual" and "clients" to "Men who have sex with men", which makes the meaning clearer in my opinion. ElPeste (talk) 22:37, 3 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

POV[edit]

This article has a strong pro-LGBT POV, and does not come across as professional. Some statements need to be changed, but I am not familiar with the culture of Brazil, nor can I read Portuguese, so someone else would be a better candidate for revising this article! 68.40.223.225 (talk) 13:51, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I came here because of the request posted at the NPOV noticeboard. The claim there was

Statements such as, "Shortly after electing Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva as that nation's president, to the dismay of Brazil's right-wing zealots, various states are now taking serious measures ensuring that no one will be discriminated against because of his or her sexual orientation" are found throughout the article.

I would be interested in hearing what anyone thinks of that statement and what other statements in the article seem not to meet WP:NPOV. Please, be bold and speak up! Blue Rasberry 19:20, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And user:Hentzer just removed the POV tag on the article again while not contributing to the article's talkpage :) --68.40.223.225 (talk) 19:34, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is no doubt that flowery text like the above must be removed, or replaced with something far less opiniated. A weak case for keeping the text could be made if it were attributed to some notable person ("X said 'flowery text'"[ref]). Johnuniq (talk) 23:12, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Without a ref that supports something counter to the statement — and going out on a limb to presume nobody is aware of a reference that supports the opposite, that right-wing zealots hurrahed the Socialist's election and that they received the news of their GLBT brothers and sisters' civil rights protections with hearts that grew two sizes that day — then the POV I'm picking up on here is the assertion of POV. Until such time as a reference for or against the statement has been cited, this seems primarily a ref tag issue. Abrazame (talk) 08:11, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hey[edit]

Hi, I'm an uninvolved editor just dropping by after I saw the notice at WP:NPOVN. You cannot remove a POV template without resolving the dispute. Further, WP:BLP applies. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 23:36, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You also can't apply a POV template without discussing specifically what about the article constitutes the POV you are alleging. One can't start defending sentence by sentence a whole article. It is dated December 2010 but there is no thread here from then, no dispute. I am removing the tag pending any specific POV complaint. Abrazame (talk) 08:11, 6 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Army[edit]

that is isn't true about the army. You see, every 18 year old male has to go in for a screening to see if they are suitable for the army. ( if you are you have a mandatory service). Anyways, my cousin had to go. One of the questions they asked, is are you a homosexual? If you were you weren't suitable and had to leave. About 2 or 3 boys left.--74.173.149.237 (talk) 12:01, 28 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Civil unions?[edit]

There are civil unions in Brazil, but at least not the way they are known in the United States. The only recognized civil union is marriage. What the Constitution and the Civil Code of 2002 do is to recognize "stable unions", which thanks to the Supreme Court, now includes same-sex couples. The major difference between a "civil union" and a "stable union" is that last one don't need any public record (like marriage) to be valid.

The more appropriate terms to explain them in English, in my view, are:

Just "stable unions", "Unregistered cohabitation", or "Common-law marriage". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raniee09 (talk • contribs) 03:04, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, no one responded. So, since the term "civil union" is better known by English-speaking people for unions besides marriage, I think we can keep it in that way. However, there is no difference between the first case in 2004 and those after the Supreme Court ruling. As I already said: There is no need to write a contract for a stable union (aka "civil union") to them to be valid. So, I'm changing that. Raniee09 (talk) 01:35, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

" In 2012, 77% of Brazilians support the explicit criminalization of homophobia.[42]"[edit]

I have to call into question the validity of this statement, especially when brought into comparison with other numbers in the article, such as in: "According to a survey conducted by the Institute of Applied Economic Research (IPEA) in 2012, 63.7% of Brazilians support the entry of LGBTs in the Brazilian Armed Forces, and not see it as a problem.[81]." These two numbers are quite contradictory. The statement in question seems to be quite sensationalistic to say the least.Faitu (talk) 14:40, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"gay"[edit]

why "gay" culture and "gay" parades, if they are lgbt?Louize5 (talk) 06:35, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

transgender[edit]

"in Brazil the social phenomenon of "transgênero" largely consists of individuals who were assigned male at birth and identify as women" - where did this come from? not only doenst it have a citation, but it's simply not true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Louize5 (talk • contribs) 06:40, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Adding LGBT Rights Activists Section[edit]

I would like to add a section on LGBT rights activists in Brazil, specifically Jean Wyllys and Míriam Martinho. I would add a short biography about these activists and the important roles they have played in the LGBT rights movement in Brazil. I believe this section is important to add because there is not a lot of discussion on prominent activists in Brazil in this article and I believe their work is a crucial part of understanding the movement and its history. GoldenGirl2000 (talk) 22:14, 7 March 2021 (UTC)GoldenGirl2000[reply]