Talk:Kolavia Flight 348

This article is within the scope of the Aviation WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see lists of open tasks and task forces. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.AviationWikipedia:WikiProject AviationTemplate:WikiProject Aviationaviation articles

This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-class status:
Referencing and citation: criterion met Coverage and accuracy: criterion met Structure: criterion met Grammar and style: criterion met Supporting materials: criterion met

Associated projects or task forces:
/
	This article is supported by the Aviation accident project.
	This article is supported by the Soviet aviation task force.

Disaster management Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Disaster management, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Disaster management on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Disaster managementWikipedia:WikiProject Disaster managementTemplate:WikiProject Disaster managementDisaster management articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Russia: Technology & engineering Low‑importance

	Russia portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Russia, a WikiProject dedicated to coverage of Russia on Wikipedia. To participate: Feel free to edit the article attached to this page, join up at the project page, or contribute to the project discussion.RussiaWikipedia:WikiProject RussiaTemplate:WikiProject RussiaRussia articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by the technology and engineering in Russia task force.

Death Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Death, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Death on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.DeathWikipedia:WikiProject DeathTemplate:WikiProject DeathDeath articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Airline?[edit]

There seems to be some confusion over the name of the airline. Kolavia appear to have owned the aircraft, but Kogalymavia were the operators. Mjroots (talk) 14:05, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It was my understanding they're the same airline; but with two different names. wacky wace 14:07, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No immediate rush to move article around. All will be clear in a day or so. Mjroots (talk) 14:16, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"MAK"[edit]

The abbreviation "MAK" needs to be clarified, I think. At least the full word should be written. Hey Mid (contribs) 17:03, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Would anything really be gained by spelling it out - Межгосударственный авиационный комитет? MAK works fine here. Mjroots (talk) 20:06, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, then I understand why we should abbreviate it – I don't believe any non-Russian-speaking person would understand Russian. Hey Mid (contribs) 20:31, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Source[edit]

The first source seemingly does not cover the fact that 34 people were injured. Where in that source does it state the amount of injuries? Hey Mid (contribs) 17:47, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Some nice progress now, at least. However, the "34 people were hospitalized; 32 with injuries from smoke inhalation and two with burns" part needs another source; the current one does not cover that. Hey Mid (contribs) 20:53, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Conflicting reports[edit]

As usual, there are conflicting reports about this accident. Did the a/c take-off and suffer a flame-out or was there a fire while taxying. Was it 116 passengers and 8 crew or 117 passengers and 18 crew?

My gut feeling is that the latter case is correct in both scenarios. Fire whilst taxying is borne out by eyewitnesses (BBC source). 8 crew minus 2 (3?) flight crew doesn't leave many cabin crew at all. Source for 117/18 is a Russian ministry, so it should be reliable enough.

Again, no immediate rush to rewrite the article, but this will need to be borne in mind as things become clearer. Mjroots (talk) 22:41, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Like you say, Mjroots, this is a pattern known and expected from any recent aircraft accidents/incidents. For example, when Air France Flight 447 crashed, they were not entirely sure whether the people in the plane had died. Regarding Kolavi Flight 348, hopefully things will be sorted out later. Hey Mid (contribs) 23:06, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've rewritten the article as it is now clear that the fire occurred during taxy for take-off. The aircraft did not take-off and return to Surgut. Mjroots (talk) 16:59, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

QFE[edit]

The QFE is given as 784hPa. This seems improbably low. 86.5.176.168 (talk) 06:54, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also the translation seems to have mixed up ft and metres. In any case, weather seems to have been irrelevant to this accident, so I removed the entire METAR. 86.5.176.168 (talk) 23:24, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've reverted the deletion of sourced info. AFAIK, Russia uses metres for aviation purposes. The figure 784 may well be a misprint for 984, but we go with what the source says. Mjroots (talk) 23:36, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Guesswork and AFAIK is no way to write an encyclopedia. 86.5.176.168 (talk) 07:34, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 external links on Kolavia Flight 348. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 00:20, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]