Talk:Knocklyon

Where is it?![edit]

Amazing how all these areas in the Tallaght become obsessed about where they are close to! Knocklyon, Firhouse, Saggart, Ballycullen - even Templeogue feels a bit insecure! Sarah777 (talk) 10:39, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps something to do with occasional attempts to redefine Tallaght - which historically did not include Old Bawn or een Jobstown, across the rivers (Dodder to Firhouse, Poddle to parts of Clondalkin), and even more, to remote villages like Saggart with its Citywest estate, and silly stuff like, in the mountains (Tallaght is north and away from there) Ballycullen and Bohrnabreena, or yes, Knocklyon / Templeogue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.76.199.137 (talk) 03:02, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Historically" is only one aspect of it. In "recent times" (the past 30 years or more), Firhouse and Jobstown and Old Bawn are taken by everyone, bar maybe a few class conscious residents, to be part of Tallaght. Templeogue and Saggart, no. Citywest, maybe - but it isn't "in Saggart", that's for sure! Knocklyon? It is often said. Sarah777 (talk) 08:21, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'd challenge that "everyone" and I know plenty more, not resident there, who would not share that view, at least re Firhouse. Oldbawn is gone, wholly absorbed, yes. As for Jobstown, most Tallaght people I know like to firmly leave it out on its own. The older parts of Tallaght are increasingly picky about who whey'd like to share their district with.

Citywest is on lands historically part of Saggart, unless I missed something, and certainly is nowhere near Tallaght, as anyone who has driven there knows. Knocklyon I always think of as part of Templeogue, but I do remember people talking of it as sort of related to Firhouse. Ballycullen? Maybe someone was thinking of Ballyboden, which the new County Council started to talk of as "independent" where in the past it was a remote part of Rathfarnham. Pat 217.46.213.153 (talk) 17:46, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Knocklyon isn't at all part of Tallaght so I dunno why that was even brought up. It's closer to Rathfarnham than it is to Tallaght, and it's not part of Rathfarnham either. Dylan (talk) 23:16, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Correct name is Cnoc Lín in Irish (not Cnoc Líomhna).[edit]

Pádraig Ó Cearbhaill writes in an article called South Dublin Streetnames at the official Placenames Database of Ireland,

Knocklyon...was recorded as Cnoclin and Cnoclyn in early fourteenth century administrative rolls. The second part of the name is clearly monosyllabic and is possibly the genitive singular of líon, a noun variously meaning 'flax', 'net' or 'snare'. The Irish of Knocklyon, Knocklyon Road etc. is therefore incorrectly shown on signage as Cnoc Liamhna, Bóthar Chnoc Liamhna, instead of Cnoc Lín."

--174.16.23.1 (talk) 13:23, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Its taught in schools, and written on road signs as 'Cnoc Liamhna', so I'm gonna take my chances and go with that. 'Cnoclyn' is obviously wrong anyway because there is no 'y' in the Irish language alphabet. 123dylan456 (talk) 13:53, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The spelling with "y" was not written by an Irish language-using author but by an English writer in a Latin document. It was cited from Rotulorum Patentium et Clausorum Cancellariae Hiberniae Calendarium I (Hen.II-Hen.VII;1828) that was produced by the Public Record Office of Britain during the reign of King George IV. The fine-grained level of scholarly linguistic research exhibited by specialists at the Placenames Database of Ireland is not typical of schoolteachers with many things to teach, and errors such as "Liamhna" are known to occur. — O'Dea (talk) 16:06, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]