Talk:Kingdom of Kotte

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Etymology[edit]

The following has been reverted:

"The term Kotte is derived from "Kōttai", the Tamil word for castle.[1] The word Kōttai is derived from the word Kōdu meaning high or tall. The castle or fortress was founded by Alakesvara of the Alagakkonara family originally hailing from Kanchipuram, Tamil Nadu[2][3][4]"

[1] The Tamil Lexicon dictionary, published by University of Madras, page 295. http://www.tamilvu.org/library/ldpam/ldpam02/ldpam023/html/ldpam023ind.htm

[2] de Silva, A History of Sri Lanka, p.138

[3] The Kingdom of Jaffa, page 239 https://books.google.no/books?id=IMcLAAAAIAAJ&q=Alagakkonara&dq=Alagakkonara&hl=no&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjd7ruQ4PnRAhWrZpoKHZPdAugQ6AEIMTAD

[4] Buddha in the Crown: Avalokitesvara in the Buddhist Traditions of Sri Lanka, page 102. https://books.google.no/books?id=aT3AMR8g1gEC&pg=PA102&dq=Alagakkonara&hl=no&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjd7ruQ4PnRAhWrZpoKHZPdAugQ6AEIQTAF#v=onepage&q=Alagakkonara&f=false

It has been replaced by L Manju, with:

"The term kotte means fortress in Sinhalese. The term derives from Indic word kōṭṭa[1] which means fort or fortified town. So it is accepted that name refers to the fortress founded by Alakesvara."

[1] http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?c.0:1:2610.soas A comparative dictionary of Indo-Aryan languages. London: Oxford University Press

The link is dead. It should be provided better sources before reverting. Muvendar (talk) 20:26, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Muvendar: However the new citation (No.1) which have been given by you also null because it direct us in to a page cover of some book even we can not read it. Citations no 2, 3, and 4 are not directly connected with the etymology section and also they can not be reached. (don't know whether they are exit or not) Also I don't know why some users edit Wikipedia to promote some hidden propaganda. --L Manju (talk) 14:56, 6 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi L Manju. I see you reverted my edit, because they are "Unverifiable citations". The citations added by me were:

1. The book "A History of Sri Lanka" by Av K. M. De Silva,K. M.

https://books.google.no/books?id=PWbRAqsIJgIC&pg=PA138&dq=Alagakkonara+kanchipuram&hl=no&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiF1cHI7NXSAhUJWywKHauzDiIQ6AEIITAB#v=onepage&q=Alagakkonara%20kanchipuram&f=false

2. Agarathi, an online Tamil dictionary

http://agarathi.com/word/கோட்டை

3. The Tamil Lexicon dictionary. http://www.tamilvu.org/library/ldpam/ldpam01/ldpam013/html/ldpam013ind.htm

All my sources here are verifiable citations. K. M. De Silva is an professional Sri Lankan academic, see more at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K._M._de_Silva. Agarathi is a professional platform which is based on the "University of Madras Lexicon", which counts as a reliable source. Also the official Tamil lexicon dictionary counts as a reliable source.

The sources you have provided are:

1. The Sri Lanka Archives by the Department of National Archives https://books.google.lk/books?id=erW1AAAAIAAJ&dq=kotte+word+malayalam+word&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=kotte+is+derived+from 2.The Art and Architecture of the Gampola period by Mudiyanse, N.

I guess the first one is a reliable source, and I would also point out that both modern Tamil and Malayalam is derived from Old Tamil, and thus Old Tamil would also count as correct. But the second is an "unverifable" citation. According to Wikipedia standards,

"All material in Wikipedia mainspace, including everything in articles, lists and captions, must be verifiable. All quotations, and any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation that directly supports the material. Any material that needs a source but does not have one may be removed. Please immediately remove contentious material about living people that is unsourced or poorly sourced."

Your source does not include an inline citation, and it is neither has a reputation for fact-checking. I will undo your revert, and will be pleased if you edit back according to Wikipedia standards.

Regards, Jameskane82 (talk) 17:12, 14 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Jameskane82- Pls give a proper ref which clearly shows the derivation of term Kotte. The problem with not the book, "A History of Sri Lanka" by Av K. M. De Silva. The problem with this citation- Agarathi, an online Tamil dictionary http://agarathi.com/word/கோட்டை. It is only a dictionary. could you show me where it mentions about the derivation of the term Kotte of Sri Lanka.--L Manju (talk) 17:39, 14 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

L Manju, The dictionary Agarathi provides not the etymology of the word, but the Tamil lexicon. Click on the link to Tamil lexicon dictionary, the third source i mentioned, at page 295. You should first prove why you consider your source over mine source before reverting, and also not revert the whole edit but only the one you doubtet on, which was the etymologi of the word Kotte. It is true that the word also is present in Malayalam, as I told before, Malayalam and modern Tamil are derived from Old Tamil, thus the word is present in both languages. You should in this case also provide that the word Kotte is present in the Sinhalese language meaning "fortified city". I will rewrite the article and also leave your source, but you should first answer here before you revert the whole edit as you did before. Jameskane82 (talk) 19:04, 14 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Jameskane82-You are clearly out of the topic without giving clear refs and talking about the definitions of kottei in Tamil language with giving a dictionary definition page. I have given clear resource that Sri Lankan Kotte term is a derived word from Malayalam word. Why cant you provide clear citation about that point. You are talking now something else and have reverted the previous edit and included unverifiable facts saying that Malayalam and modern Tamil are derived from Old Tamil. That may be true. But can't you understand that is not here we talking about. This is same type of edit happened in the Talk:Kachcheri article, where another user tried to point out such of theory with giving only definition page of a Tamil dictionary.--L Manju (talk) 01:52, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@L Manju: I have taken this article back in time in an attempt to get rid of the disruption caused by the Muvendar/Jameskane82 sock accounts. Their sourcing generally has been appalling and I recognise some of those dodgy sources in their edits to this article. The accounts were blocked a few hours ago after I called out Muvendar and they took me to WP:ANI. If I've screwed up anything here, please feel free to reinstate or otherwise fix. - Sitush (talk) 09:13, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]