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A fact from Kerch–Eltigen operation appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 30 August 2007. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that during the World War II amphibious offensive known as the Kerch-Eltigen Operation, the Red Army landed 75,000 men and over 10,000 tons of munitions and material near Kerch in eastern Crimea?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2007/August.

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Consequences on German Military Doctrine[edit]

I wonder what effect this had on the Westwall/Overlord strategies and lessons from the Salerno and Anzio attacks Cosnahang 11:40, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hard to say IMO. Although German units moved between the eastern and western fronts, not all of the experience gained by units on different fronts was shared (such as senior German Panzer leaders getting their units cut up in Lorraine in 1944 because they weren't familiar with the capabilities of the U.S. Army). The coastal defense situation in Crimea was different in that the Germans had a rough naval and air parity with their opponents, something that wasn't the case on the western front. W. B. Wilson 17:24, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

liberate as pov[edit]

Liberate should be changed to something neutral, like conquer or defeat. --139.168.10.149 (talk) 05:19, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Defeated is a neutral term. Conquer is not -- see my comment below. W. B. Wilson (talk) 05:24, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

liberate vs conquer[edit]

Has nothing to do with Wikipedia:Peacock#Puffery. The Crimea was part of the territory of the Soviet Union prior to the Russo-German War. "Conquering" is at best a very misleading term to describe an operation in which a country's military ejects invaders from its own territory. I am not hung up on using the term "liberating", but "conquering" is not the correct term. Perhaps editor 139.168.10.149 can suggest a third term that is less politically charged? W. B. Wilson (talk) 05:23, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

with the object of capturing the Crimea and defeating the German occupation there? --139.168.10.149 (talk) 10:04, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your comments. I have replied on Buckshot06's talk page. W. B. Wilson (talk) 16:35, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

117th Guards Rifle Regiment[edit]

I'm working on an article on the 318th Rifle Division, and I've linked to this article in two places; it's been a big help to me. In the section "Axis victory at Eltigen" it states that the 117th Guards Rifle Regiment reinforced the Eltigen beachhead. This seems dubious to me, as that regiment was part of 39th Guards Rifle Division, which was in 8th Guards Army from Stalingrad to Berlin. There is also no mention of this reinforcement in Forczyk's Where the Iron Crosses Grow.Wreck Smurfy (talk) 02:32, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Check with W.B. Wilson - you should probably send him an e-mail. Happy New Year! Buckshot06 (talk) 11:07, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Will do. Best for 2017 to you, too.Wreck Smurfy (talk) 05:50, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Wreck Smurfy: It's a little late, but, according to a recent Russian source that Forczyk cited in his book, it was the 117th Guards Rifle Division's 335th Guards Rifle Regiment. Kges1901 (talk) 02:27, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]