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A fact from Kamikaze Hearts appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 13 January 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that although it was rejected by the lesbian mainstream when it was first released, Kamikaze Hearts has since been called a milestone in queer cinema?

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The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 15:43, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that although it was rejected by the lesbian mainstream when it was first released, Kamikaze Hearts has since been called "a milestone in queer cinema"? Source: https://www.anothermag.com/design-living/14333/things-to-watch-bfi-london-film-festival-2022
- Reviewed: 5th nom
- Comment: I had fun writing this article.

Moved to mainspace by HelenDegenerate (talk). Self-nominated at 23:54, 11 December 2022 (UTC).[reply]

This is new enough, long enough, and neutrally and informatively written. The hook is fine for length and neutrality and is appropriately interesting, but the source says "rejected by the lesbian mainstream" which I think is an important difference from "the mainstream" so I'd like the hook to reflect that. QPQ not necessary. Text from sources is quoted appropriately - no copyright concerns.

My one concern is that I'm not sure whether the Cultural Gutter counts as an RS. It's used in some articles, but only a few. It has bylines and "editors" but seems to be self-published by a group of people like a community blog. I couldn't find prior discussion at WP:RSN. If we can rely on this source, great; it has lots of useful info. But maybe we can't: I'd be interested in the author's thoughts. MartinPoulter (talk) 14:20, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the feedback, MartinPoulter! Regarding lesbian mainstream vs the mainstream, I agree that it would probably be better to make that distinction, so I’ve modified the hook accordingly. I too am on the fence about the reliability of TCG. When I was researching for this article, I came across that site, but was sceptical— as you stated, it appears blog-y— and decided not to add it. The source seems to be used solely for ‘critic x said statement y’, so I’ll try to find some other sources for those. I will also start an RSN discussion for TCG just to confirm (or overturn) our suspicions. ◇HelenDegenerate◆ 21:09, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy link: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard § The Cultural Gutter ◇HelenDegenerate◆ 21:53, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've just finished replacing TCG with other references. Let me know what you think: Special:Diff/1127114576, Special:Diff/1127272058 ◇HelenDegenerate◆ 22:54, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent work. Sourcing issues resolved, this is ready for DYK. MartinPoulter (talk) 11:18, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sources needed[edit]

Mentions in blog posts and publicity for this film indicate that in the late 1980s: 1) that it won Best Feature Film at the Torino Intl Gay and lesbian film festival 2) that it was reviewed by the Village Voice. It would be great to have direct citations for these. Can anyone help verify? MartinPoulter (talk) 14:29, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I found these. [1][2] ◇HelenDegenerate◆ 23:41, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good work, but when I visit those links I just see the words "Kamikaze Hearts". It doesn't show me a preview of the page, maybe due to regional variation in what Google Books displays. Is it showing more text for you? If so please go ahead and use those sources. MartinPoulter (talk) 14:35, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

When showing me the results, it highlighted the parts that matched my query in bold. That’s how I was able to view further along on the page. I used the following search terms: “Kamikaze Hearts” and “Torino”,“Kamikaze Hearts” and “Village Voice”. You may also be able to find longer previews on archive.org, but I haven’t checked if the books are available there. ◇HelenDegenerate◆ 20:20, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]