Talk:Kakhakn

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Armenia/Azerbaijan alternative/historical names[edit]

@ZaniGiovanni: Hey! I saw your recent edit on this article and a couple of others regarding the Azerbaijani names, the situation in the South Caucasus is complex and each village has its own context - so some names are more relevant/historic than others, but in general it's probably a good idea to have some balance when it comes to pre-1988 Armenian villages in Azerbaijan (such as Pip/Zaglik, Matrasa, Banants and so on) and pre-1988 Azerbaijani villages in Armenia.

Do you have any suggestions? One possible alternative format would be to limit the alternative/historic name to the lead and exclude it from the infobox and move down the mention of the historical majority to the History section.

For villages that have been emptied of their population more recently in the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war (such as Hadrut, Mets Tagher, Karintak and so on) I think it would be appropriate to include the names in the infobox and the mention of the past majority population in the lead though as these villages have had Armenian populations until very recently.

AntonSamuel (talk) 09:02, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@AntonSamuel: Hi Anton! Firstly, I wanted to thank you for your work on Armenian/Azeri related pages, and the combating of POV pushes / disruptive edits. The editor, CuriousGolden was notorious for pushing the Az translations or reordering in a way that Az would appear first. Even worse he would say translation re-orderings are "petty" and object to me restoring pages, and next thing, he does it himself like here here. It's just weasley POV push, and he got blocked recently for using multiple accounts.

Having the Armenian or Azeri translations in Azeri and Armenian villages that were once in their history majority is unnecessary imo. By that logic, Tbilisi was once Armenian majority, but there isn't any translation next to Georgian one, and many other examples like this. As for the mention that some Arm villages once had Az majority and vice versa, I think it's appropriate, and I don't have a problem with it. As long as both country villages are followed by the same information pattern. If your suggestion is to move that info to a newly created historic section, that's the best solution probably. But the blocked user edited so many villages that it would take a lot of time to do that. I can help you as much as I can, but I'm doing wiki editing on the free time I find, so it's not going to be as much, I apologize. But as for translations, as I said, I don't think they should be included next to the native name whether Armenian or Azeri villages. Again, wanted to thank for your work and have a nice day!--ZaniGiovanni (talk) 12:04, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Historical demographics[edit]

@Archives908: Hey! I saw that you removed a couple of the mentions of past Azerbaijani populations, referring to these sources not being scholarly - while the addition of this data for the past Azerbaijani-populated villages in Armenia created a bit of a lopsided view in that Armenian-populated villages in Azerbaijan outside of Karabakh often haven't been marked as such (I've tried to contribute a bit with regard to this though) - there is no real dispute in the accuracy regarding the historical demographics for most of the villages right? The information can be presented in many ways and can be moved down to the History section, as I argued in the above thread, however I don't think that the information should be totally removed when it's information utilizing Armenian news sources and statistical pages as references - no matter who it was that added them in the first place. AntonSamuel (talk) 15:24, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, AntonSamuel. I can agree with some of that. However, the sources presented are far from reliable, not to mention the editor was confirmed as a Sockmaster and is now blocked. It is clearly evident that they had an agenda and made countless copyedits using similar unreliable sources, blogs, or sources that were irrelevant. This is unacceptable. As per WP:VERIFY, until scholarly verifiable sources can be provided, it would be wise to try and rectify the Sockmaster's copyedits. I'm sure no editor would be opposed to that. Archives908 (talk) 15:40, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]