Talk:Kajaani Castle

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"Construction of the Kajaani castle began in 1604 and was completed in 1619. At first the castle only consisted of a stone wall, two round towers, and wooden buildings at the yard inside the castle."

1. Does A stone wall mean ONE stone wall?

2. ...wooden buildings inside the castle?

Are there any references, pics or other proofs of this?!

(BoNo)

Added links to more content from reliable sites. Naturally the castle had walls all around it. You can say it in English as "a stone wall". --Drieakko 05:18, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop vandalizing this page by subtracting English links, replacing them with links exclusively in Finnish.

The subject pages of Wikipedia is NOT a forum for discussion. If you have any questions about the material presented by the links you may use their blogs or e-mail the authors.

Just remember; What You may call green other may call yellow.

Meanwhile: Please stop stalking my contributions. Blaming others of "Vandalism" whenever you disagree has nothing to do with ethical behaviour. This is not YOUR web-site or your class-room and there's no-one asking you to rectify professional research or peer-reviews.

Please reverse your last deletion of the links I added.

Thank you for your comments. Kindly note that your private Internet site that you are pushing as the reference is not an established source and may not be regarded as such. Judging from its content, it is also providing false information which results in its speedy removal.
This article is on my watch list and will be also in the future. --Drieakko 05:57, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Please read this Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Self-published_sources_as_secondary_sources. --Drieakko 06:44, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What don't you know? 1. This is not MY private web-page, although I am the main contributor. 2. Providing false information? That's a serious claim - would you care to explain?! 3. What about the other english site you keep "expelling" made by Dominic Goode? (http://www.fortified-places.com/kajaani.html

Is that one biased too? (Borath 07:26, 27 March 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Removed the other reference as well. That did not fall in the category of acceptable secondary sources either. As for the site you are interested in, almost all Kven related references there are fictional. --Drieakko 12:09, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If you have copyright to the text in that site, please consider moving the content to Wikipedia, with proper references for the information there. --Drieakko 12:15, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps you can resolve your revert war by adding the disputed links under an External Links section? That way the interested reader can check out these pages themselves, and other readers can be assured that the article is based on reliable secondary sources only.Labongo 06:45, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps that is a possible solution if he insists on publicity for his private site. However, basically that still means that a Wikipedia user is given the possibility of extending the Wikipedia article out of Wikipedia, without need for references and public discussion on the content. --Drieakko 07:04, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The expressions "private research" and "not falling under the category of acceptable external links" are a nothing but another biased and misleading use of terms. Expelling the three ONLY links that deals with this subject-matter in English - whereof one is the official web-page from The National Board of Antiquities (NBA) in Finland - should talk for itself. The second page I linked is published by an independant English researher, who is reknown for his objectivity on European Castles and Fortifications. The third one in question are the local web-page for "Kajaani Castle Friendship Society", were I happen to be a contributor.

There are NO valid reasons to replace these english web-pages about Kajaani Castle, with the three Finnish pages - that ONLY refers a short summary of the subject-matter - for lexical purposes. Add the fact th these pages are also published only in FINNISH language - and it becomes ridiculous to watch the persistent conduct of user dreiakko - insisting that his views are superior to ANY other published matter on this subject. The disrespect shown to the authors of the official web-pages about Kajaani Castle is othing but stunning.

If the user dreiakko needs to discuss the content of the web-page he terms "private"; he/she is already welcomed to do so - on the blog connected to that web-page. There should be no need to USE or misuse Wikipedias pages as a discussion-forum to profile strictly personal views and motives.

Another, but paralell, matter is the private research published on Wikipedias pages on "Kvenland" and "The Origin of the name Kainuu" - where the present content is nothing but user dreiakkos own, PRIVATE research. The present context of these pages are not to be found anywhere else in any known litterature or web-site - and can only be explained as a result of user dreiakkos own, private research and personal opinion of that subject-matter. Consequently his attitude towards the external links reffering to Kajaani Cstle becomes nothing but contradictive and paradoxical.

(Borath 16:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Please discuss on the Kven related items on their respective pages. If your Kajaani Castle site is "the official web-pages about Kajaani Castle", please indicate the authority for that claim since the site seems not to be referenced by any other source and does not itself claim official status. --Drieakko 18:42, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Kindly note that Wikipedia works so that a reference either is or is not. And if it is, it needs to be acknowledged by some party seen reliable. You are welcome to move your material to Wikipedia instead of linking it to Wikipedia. That's the way Wikipedia works. Personal attacks on me are not of use here. --Drieakko 18:47, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please explain why the Finnish Department of Culture and the formal owner of the castle, the Finnish National Board of Antiquities, are not concerned as "reliable sources". --Borath 09:06, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What's up, Dreiakko - did Dr. Henrik Liljus' web-page suddenly change its quality - or do you simply want to run a side-bet on "Wikipedias scientific standards"?

Furthermore we should obviusly consider your comprehension of "vandalism" to be excused. Don't you agree?

Now, what about the Kajaaninlinna Research Project and Dr. Koch-Johansens views - as refered on www.kajaneborg.com? Not worth mentioning? Constantly stalking or obstructing genuine sources of basic information may be another example of "vandalism".--Borath 22:04, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The site [1] is owned by the National Board of Antiquities of Finland and funded by the Finnish Ministry of Education. It is a proper reference. --Drieakko 07:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So why did you exclude it - even TWICE?--Borath 01:58, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What is this bullshit: "In 1917 a hydro-electric plant was built at Ämmäkoski, including a dam that raised the water-level around the castle-ruin by some 5 meters - covering the basement and the first floor of the ruin.

By 1937 the flooded castle-island became a fundament for a new road-bridge. Before the completion of this bridge the old ruin was covered in sand and a new "ruin" was constructed on top of the old one."

If this had ever been done - I would know. I have lived in Kajaani most of my life as my father and his parents and their ancestors. Water level did not rise and new ruins were not built.

Sorry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.194.199.105 (talk) 17:56, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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