Talk:Kaiwo Maru (1989)

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Kaiwo Maru I[edit]

Shouldn't Kaiwo Maru I redirect here? 65.93.12.101 (talk) 07:49, 28 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly, but as it's likely to be split off, it may be better to wait. Unless you'd rather I create the redirect and then turn it into an article yourself. Mjroots (talk) 08:01, 28 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As I'm not certain that a split would go through, a redirect should be in order. It is possible that this article might be reformatted to cover all ships "Kaiwo Maru" and be renamed to Kaiwo Maru... so a redirect would still be in order then. 65.93.12.101 (talk) 08:05, 28 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Split off Kaiwo Maru I?[edit]

As "Kaiwo Maru I" is a separate ship, shouldn't it be in a separate article? 65.93.12.101 (talk) 07:50, 28 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it should really. I'm not too sure of the names of the articles being correct. Looking at the ref source for the description, "Kaiwo Maru II" is merely named Kaiwo Maru. Therefore Kaiwo Maru (1930) and Kaiwo Maru (1989) would seem to be better names per WP:MOSSHIP. The word "barque" may be added after the date, but I'm not sure that is strictly necessary. Mjroots (talk) 08:00, 28 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'll post a note at WPSHIPS and WPJAPAN, to gather additional input. 65.93.12.101 (talk) 08:07, 28 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that it's usually proper to split separate ships into separate articles but if the first ship is only going to be the tiny little stub that it is now I'd rather see it stay here until expansion is possible. Brad (talk) 13:51, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think that there are enough sources available to create an article of at least C class. Mjroots (talk) 07:49, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Please consider the note in first paragraph of Nippon Yusen#Selected Ships -- ships with the same name: Although conventionally used today, unofficial names or sobriquets like Yamashiro Maru II or Yamashiro III are not used here, since each ship's official name was simply Yamashiro Maru. Instead, the year of the ship's maiden voyage or year the vessel entered service is used to tell the ships apart when names are repeated (as in article names), hence Yamashiro Maru (1899), Yamashiro Maru (1912) and Yamashiro Maru (1963) -- not Yamashiro Maru, Yamashiro Maru II and Yamashiro Maru III.

Other examples from the NYK fleet are Awa Maru (1899) and Awa Maru (1943).

A similar convention is demonstrated in the fleet of Canadian Pacific Steamships, e.g., RMS Empress of Britain (1906), RMS Empress of Britain (1931), Empress of Britain (1956). --Tenmei (talk) 20:23, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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