Talk:Joseph Scottus

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Anti-Irish Sentiment?[edit]

In the early Medieval period, Ireland was a center for civilization and learning, and scholars from all corners of continental Europe traveled to the island to study. Irish scholars and monks were also in high demand in the Carolingian courts, and they played a large role in ushering in the Carolingian Renaissance.

Where is the source to support the claim that there was "rising anti-Irish sentiment" in Frankish courts during the 790s? I've never heard such a thing.Jonathan f1 (talk) 03:20, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Jonathan f1: The exact quotation from the Oxford DNB article is, "Whether he was himself the target of any of the sometimes vitriolic anti-Irish humour documented in the Carolingian court poetry of the 790s is unknown." The article may need to be reworded. I suspect the phrase "anti-Irish sentiment" is used because that is the title of our article on the subject. Srnec (talk) 03:35, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if that's what a reliable source says, then I suppose it should be left. But the statement still strikes me as odd. I've never read about any anti-Irish humor in Carolingian court poetry in early Medieval scholarship, and most scholars of the period write that the Irish were held in very high regard in the Carolingian courts,

"Irish scholars (known as the scholastici) also played an important role. Toward the end of the ninth century the monk Notker—a teacher, scribe, and librarian at the Irish monastery of St. Gall in Switzerland—commemorated their influence in a famous anecdote. Two Irishmen, he claims, went to the court of Charlemagne and so greatly impressed the emperor that he extended his patronage to them. Einhard confirms that Charlemagne “held the Irish in special esteem.” After Alcuin’s retirement from public life to the monastery of Tours, an Irishman, Clement, became head of the palace school. The lasting relationship between Carolingian monarchs and the Irish continued long after Charlemagne’s death, under Louis the Pious, Lothair II, and Charles the Bald (who becomes the patron of the famous Irish scholar Johannes Scotus Eriugena). Under Charlemagne and his descendants, the Frankish court became a center of interaction between scholars and poets from all over Europe. The influences of the Carolingian Renaissance continued to be felt well into the 10th, and even into the 12th century, as the cathedral and monastic schools continued to teach a curriculum based on the church fathers, the Latin authors, and the liberal arts."

This paragraph is a typical example of how early Medieval scholars portray the relationship between Irish theologians and philosophers and the Carolingian kings. Maybe the Oxford DNB article is wrong. Or maybe I just don't understand the period well enough.Jonathan f1 (talk) 04:22, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]