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Birthday! "Mayer recently finished touring Europe with his band, where he commenced his tour in the United Kingdom on his 29th birthday (October 16, 2006), the release date for Continuum."

Actually he was in Amsterdam on his Birthday, playing in Amsterdam the day after.

this is ridiculous. i hope you people enjoy spending your life checkin people's stuff and then accusing them of violating copyrights. i did not get that information from that website, as i keep saying i have permission to use all my information posted.

Just write original work and we'll all be happy. Copyright is a serious issue. Please read Wikipedia:Copyrights Mintguy

i've read the copyright info. im not trying to cause a problem or anything. i know copyright stuff is serious. but basic information such as date of birth, place of birth, etc can only be said so many ways. when i get info from sources that give permisson to use, and it's also on other websites, i cannot help it.

What is your source, and who has given you permission?

well i've been in contact with the person i got the information from. she does tell me she got it from someone else. so i do apologize for that. it was from a UK website, and the webmaster assured me in the beginning it was written by her and gave me permission to use it. sorry for the mix-up

just get in the habit of using your own words. And keep working on Wikipedia. We need you. Kingturtle 02:00 Apr 18, 2003 (UTC)

well like i said i really am not trying to be a problem. i've posted a few other things before with no problems. thanks for being more understanding than some others

I've made a bunch of changes to try to A- bring this more in line with some other formatted artist pages, such as U2. B- get rid of some run-on sentences and C- re-organize the info a bit. Lyellin

i think the comment about john mayer being a "musical genius" should be removed, because this kind of thing is completely POV. on john coltrane's entry, or johann sebastian bach's entry, this is acceptable because they are fairly established as being musical geniuses -- however john mayer has definitely not reached this status in the musical community. this is an encyclopedia, not a fan-site!

"Musical Genius" is an altogether opinion-based term. Unless there is an scientifically accepted test of some sort that categorically places people within numbered ranges of aptitude, "musical genius" will always be relative to the observer.

It should not be in any wikipedian articles. jimbinford

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The Guitar fest was in 04 so why does it say he transitioned in 05?

bias in article

"He is an unoriginal, minimally talented "artist" who is popular among teeny boppers" should probably be cut, no? Infamous30 01:49, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

i tried to organize this a little bit more, and i added info about his latest project. Miketer September 22 2005

"Although Mayer has maintained a reputation for being a sensitive, meticulous juggernaut singer-songwriter, he is also an accomplished guitarist influenced by the likes of Jimi Hendrix, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Eric Clapton, Buddy Guy, Freddie King and B.B. King."

This seemed like a little much, and too vague. A juggernaut? Hardly, only a few musicians could realistically be called this based on sales or creativity, and John Mayer is not one of them. Its also stupid to say someone is influenced by the stylings of Hendrix and Clapton, as almost every modern day guitarist is whether they realize it or not. Also,saying someone is an "accomplished guitarist" is a meaningless statement and objective too. Consider cutting. -Anonymous

FYI: There used to be a note here proposing that the page be moved from John Mayer (pop singer) to John Mayer (musician). This did happen.

Disputed

Not only are the "facts" presented in this section extremely dubious (e.g. the song does not reference JLH), but also the whole section doesn't make any sense. Starting out with an obscure ref on Family Guy, it then degenerates into what seems to be a personal attack.

I recommend that we keep the Family Guy reference and delete all the unfounded speculation and nonsense. Jaysbro 13:30, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

I second this suggestion. The Family Guy reference is verfiable. The JLH thing is nonsense, and so is the Humphreys over analysis - which isn't really appropriate for an encyclopedia article anyway.--Esprit15d 21:02, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

And the section was added by an anon. Jaysbro 13:33, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Irrelevant Info? Unsourced?

Why is the information about Mayer's composing songs while naked in there? It adds nothing to the article, it is unsourced (and thus unverifiable), it doesn't fit in its section, and it doesn't fit with the general tone of the article. It seems to be a detail an obsessive stalker would obsess over. Jaysbro 13:39, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

FYI: According to an NPR interview (with John) he wrote Daughters naked after a shower. Also this quote site says John said that he wrote his first album semi-nude and Daughters completely naked. This tidbit is further verified in a Newsweek article. So, it is verifiable, but the jury's still out on how relevant it is. Maybe in a trivia section (and more tastefully written)?--Esprit15d 21:10, 26 October 2005 (UTC)


Heidi Klum

Mayer has said he never dated Heidi Klum, per an interview with Blender Magazine.--Esprit15d 14:18, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Incorrect info

"John allows audio taping at most live performances, and he also allows for the non-commercial trading of those recordings. The legal details are here." That link no longer works; it is to an agency that no longer works with John Mayer.

Questionable paragraph

This paragraph:

Although Mayer has maintained a reputation for being a sensitive singer-songwriter, he is also an accomplished guitarist influenced by the likes of Jimi Hendrix, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Eric Clapton, Buddy Guy, Freddie King and B.B. King. Mayer has worked with many important blues musicians including Eric Clapton (Back Home, Crossroads Guitar Festival), Buddy Guy (Bring 'em in), John Scofield (That's What I Say) and B.B.King (80).

seems (in context of the rest of the article), totally redundant, and breaks up the flow of the rest of the section. All those individual artists have already been mentioned (come twice already) and the details of the collaborations can be found in the guest contributions section. I think the paragraph should be taken out. Comments?--Esprit15d 14:49, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

too many family guy references and his own TV show wasn't even mentioned

I counted 3 times family guy was mentioned making fun of him, I'm sorry is this article about John Mayer or Family Guy making 1 random pop culture joke about him?

Second, John Mayer had his own TV show on TV, I believe VH1, I've seen clips of it online, it's actually pretty damn funny, that should be in there somewhere.

Military background?

I noticed in a picture I saw of John (it was a live show) that he wears dog tags (military issue with silencers). I wear tags like this, and I haven't been involved with the military, I was just wondering if John was ever in the military or involved with it. I'm trying to find that damn picture, sorry for now. 67.71.50.206 03:39, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but I don't think that was what he was wearing. It was probably a Youth Aids Tag . He is one of the charities spokespeople. Iorek85 01:47, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Good article

I would love for this to become a good article, but it just isn't there yet. More citations, better prose, and written more like an acutal article - not to mention a intro that summarizes the article - would all get this article moving in the right direction.--Esprit15d 15:30, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Terrible Paragraph

There have been a number of parodies and general critisms of Mayer, including jokes in Family Guy and other TV shows. Some people feel the John Mayer is the archetypal corporate rocker.[citation needed] Others argue that Mayer is too real, and that his vunerabiliy attracts derision due to the difficuly some "old school" rockers have with the new "sensitive" rock.[citation needed] In any case, his strange movements in concert and strained vocals are certainly a subject of parody.

Is a terribly written paragraph that is not backed up with any references at all. Stating that Mayer is 'too real' makes zero sense to me, as does the following his vunerabiliy attracts derision due to the difficuly some "old school" rockers have with the new "sensitive" rock. My preference would be for the entire paragraph to be removed as it reall adds nothing to the article.--Spoco2 05:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Ambiguous reference

Can someone explain the joke from Family Guy reference? The article simply states the joke; and expects average (non fans; or those who haven't read entire article) people to "get" it. Can the article be anymore ambiguous? I've noticed this in other articles on Wiki; though they aren't necessarilly jokes (info tends to be ambiguous or even confusing, etc.)

Try album inclusion

I'm going to re-include the John Mayer Trio album "Try!" as to remain consistent as all albums where Mayer is a primary contributor. Please do not delete this again. This is in keeping with the Wikiproject: Albums in relation to page consistency, in which you'll see that all albums where an artist provides a major contribution is considered to be a part of that contributors albums.

The same applies to Ben Folds, and should also with Dave Matthews, Eric Clapton and John Mayer. 202.147.44.87 02:46, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

This user has a limited history and is not a registered user, so I am replying here instead of on the talk page, where they sent me a note personally.
The user mentioned Wikiproject Albums. However, that project is not relevant to this page, since that policy applies to album articles (this is not) and in actuality makes no comment at all about which albums should be included on an artist's article (I just read the page). The policy that actually applies to this page is WikiProject Musicians, and it does not say anywhere "that all albums where an artist provides a major contribution is considered to be a part of that contributors albums." The policy there is rough and incomplete. Thus, I have been operating on precedent, as well as what makes the most sense and what is most fair to the works. Works done by a band should be credited to the band as a whole, not an individual, since that just isn't fair. Additionally, Wikipedia has a long history of separating the discography of an individual from that of the musical group they were/are in. Here a few examples: Jack White, John Phillips, David Ruffin, Sly Stone, Larry Graham, Nick Lachey, Brian Wilson, Tina Turner, Nicky Wire, Michelle Williams (singer), Mick Jagger, Agnetha Fältskog, John Entwistle, Vince Neil, Stanley Clarke, Robert Plant, Frank Black, Darren Hayes, Mark Burgess (musician), Anni-Frid Lyngstad, Graham Coxon, John Lennon, Steve Howe (guitarist), Neil Finn, Roger Daltrey, Smokey Robinson, Gladys Knight, Randy Bachman, Robert Wyatt, Biosphere (musician), Individual members of the Beach Boys, James Dean Bradfield, Joey Eppard, Steve Marriott, Grant McLennan, Tony Banks (musician), Sisqó, Alex Chilton, Bob Mould, Jim Capaldi and there are many more.
Many of these discographies have notes that wikilink to the appropriate article for the full band discography. Therefore, in the interest of consistency, that same model should be applied here.--Esprit15d 18:24, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Contradiction in terms

How on earth can you be a "sensitive juggernaut"? --Thoughtcat 12:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Jessica Simpson

What do people think about including the whole Jessica Simpson bit? Jennifer Love Hewitt is mentioned in this article, so it'd just be another romantic tidbit or whatever. Plus, there is the benefit of the fact that it was on a People magazine cover only for him to say that it was overblown by her camp... Ecurran 13:53, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

anyone know what brand/model of guitar is pictured on the cover of room for squares? Tremspeed 22:47, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Archive this page. It is very very long.

Archive this page. It is very very long. 16:15, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Mayer's "death"

There has been a recent rash of article editing in an attempt to convey that Mayer has died. This is likely due to what is an apparent hoax group on Facebook:

http://stthomas.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2229180514 Charmston 02:08, 21 January 2007 (UTC)Charmston

GA on hold

I've read the article several times over, as well as the peer reviews. The copywriting has definitely improved since a few months ago, so it passes the first GA criterion. (I quite like the writing in the lead and Early life sections, kudos!) I see no major problems either in the second and fourth criteria (I've described the minor problems below), so my problem lies mainly in criterion 3b—there are just too many details here.

  • Career. That first orphaned paragraph needs a subheader.
  • Mainstream success.
    • "Bigger Than My Body," was thought by some to be Mayer's attempt to demonstrate that he was not just a one-trick pony - I'm iffy about this sentence. Some critics? Some fans? Some artichokes? It'd be nice if you can come up with a cite for this and make it sound more specific.
    • John Mayer is often referred to as "the best guitarist of our generation." - by whom? Avoid weasel words, or unsupported citations. If you can't come up with a reputable source on that sentence, it should be taken out.
  • Touring. Album titles need to be italicized, and that last paragraph needs an update to specify his current tour.
  • Personal life. I think his interest in designing/graphic design should also be included. He's mentioned it several times in interviews and in his blog for the past few years now. Just a few sentences will do. Make sure the facts are cited, of course.
    • Also, has his synethesia been verified and diagnosed? I have that very issue of RS, and I'd take his comments with a grain of salt. I'm a fan of his too, and he has a warped sense of humor sometimes, that it's usually misinterpreted and brought out of context in the media. I think it's safe to just remove it, until he comes up with psychiatric verification. I'm just not totally convinced with the little evidence that there is on it.
  • Selected events. This section is simply too long, and I think a lot of it can be trimmed down. It even seems longer than the first half of the article about his music. There is no need to go into intense detail here, please see WP:NOT#IINFO. There also seems to be too many dates. Some suggestions of what events can be left out: the prom, the satellite radio shows, even the Oprah, Letterman, and MacExpo appearances. (Unless you can find a source about him being an Apple user—which I know he is—and then link it to the MacExpo appearances. Just a humble suggestion there.) As for the events that remain, a lot of the descriptions can be trimmed down. IMHO, I don't think it's necessary to summarize his skit on Chappelle's Show or his CSI appearance, but it's okay to summarize Mayer's one-off VH1 TV show, as has been already done.
    • Also, I think, once you've trimmed down the Selected events section, the remaining content can be merged into the Other endeavors section. As it stands now: Other endeavors - Personal life - Selected events...the article doesn't flow well at this point. I also think you can come up with a better title than either "other endeavors" or "selected events". And once you have the merged section, I'd also suggest breaking it up with subheaders (TV, writing, or whatever).
  • Discography. Since the John Mayer discography article exists, all details, like sales, chart positions, and certifications can be included in that separate discography article. For a biographical article, a simple bulleted or tabulated list will suffice. For the list of albums, you can just list the title and years of release/re-release. It might also be a good idea to segregate his studio albums from his live albums. The singles section can also follow: a bulleted list and the years of release. Some musicians' articles use Wikitables to group together a singles discography by release dates and albums, but that's optional.
    • Album titles in the Selected collaborations section aren't properly formatted either. Stick to a consistent format for all the songs, whatever you'll define it to be. You might also want to remove the soundtrack entries, they're already mentioned in the discog article, and seem out of place in a section that's supposed to be about collaborations.
  • External links. There are just too many that this article is bordering on being a fan site. IMHO, all the links under the "General" and "Interviews" subheaders can be taken out, but only the link to guitar tabs can be kept. I'd keep the RS site link to the Hendrix article, but take out the Dennen one, as it links to a fan site.
  • Other issues (won't have to be fulfilled just yet to be granted GA status, but just a few ideas for further improvement)
    • There are some footnotes that don't follow the correct citation format. Doesn't have to be done now, but there's one task for the future, especially if you're ultimately aiming for this to be FA.
    • Also one section that I'm surprised is not included in this article is a list of awards and nominations (e.g. Christina Aguilera). It's just a suggestion, but isn't really imperative. Some of the stuff mentioned in the "Selected events" section can be moved to a subtopic on a list of awards.

The article has some good copywriting and important, stable facts and at least one willing and hard-working editor around, which is why I don't think the GA nom should fail just yet. There's still significant improvement to be made, especially in whittling down all the detail that can be otherwise left out. Please address these issues within a week, or else the nom fails. I hope it's a reasonable amount of time. I also might be checking in every now and then to see if everything's on the right track. Anyone else with suggestions to improve this article, please comment, or better yet, pitch in and edit! Thanks! - NicolaM 06:11, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

GA hold response

  • Career. - FIXED
  • Mainstream success. - FIXED
  • The next album. - FIXED
  • Touring. - FIXED
  • Personal life. - FIXED (individual issues addressed below)
    • Also, has his synethesia been verified and diagnosed? I have that very issue of RS, and I'd take his comments with a grain of salt. I'm a fan of his too, and he has a warped sense of humor sometimes, that it's usually misinterpreted and brought out of context in the media. I think it's safe to just remove it, until he comes up with psychiatric verification. I'm just not totally convinced with the little evidence that there is on it.
      • - Kept it, shortened it, reffed it, and mentioned that he has not received a formal diagnosis. I thought it should stay, as it often comes up in interviews, reviews, analyses, etc... and is said to influence his music (eg - "Bold as Love") and so is a relevant, though admittedly minor, fact in a well-rounded article about him. I tried to phrase it to reflect the somewhat dubious nature of the fact.
  • Selected events. - FIXED (IMHO) - did a lot of trimming, cut the talk shows, took out Chapelle descrips. etc... Kept MacWorld, b/c he has gone literally every year for the last few years, and is literally a fixture now. But I trimmed it.
    • Also, I think, once you've trimmed down the Selected events section, the remaining content can be merged into the Other endeavors section. As it stands now: Other endeavors - Personal life - Selected events...the article doesn't flow well at this point. I also think you can come up with a better title than either "other endeavors" or "selected events". And once you have the merged section, I'd also suggest breaking it up with subheaders (TV, writing, or whatever).
      • — Definitely saw your points about flow issues. Changed name of "other endeavors" to "other projects." Didn't see how all of them could be coherently merged, though (OP are his deliberate side projects, SE are incidental occurrences of note, and "personal life" definitely didn't fit in those other two cats), but I did move "other projects" under the umbrella heading of "Career."
  • Discography.— FIXED
  • External links.— FIXED
  • Other issues (won't have to be fulfilled just yet to be granted GA status, but just a few ideas for further improvement)— not fixed, but great suggestions that I (or, I don't know, another editor) should address soon.--Esprit15d (talk ¤ contribs) 16:12, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

GA Passed

The work done since the nomination looks great. I am able to understand the rationale with Other projects vs. Selected events. All the details remaining in the article seem significant enough to merit inclusion, and nice touch with the music samples there.

Keep up the good work. I hope contributors can maintain this article's quality. Refer to WP:WIAGA when in doubt, especially on criteria 2, 3b, and 4. - NicolaM 03:13, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm euphoric. Thanks again.--Esprit15d (talk ¤ contribs) 13:45, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Japanese translation

Japanese speakers: What do you make of John's red carpet comment? ジェシカはとてもすてきな女性で、一緒にいられて最高です。I really fail to see how "you're the last to know" comes into it. Totemo sutekina josei, very beautiful woman, pretty straightforward. I know Saikou = the best and isshoni = together, irarete = potential form of "to be", so "it's the best to be together with her" is what it's looking like to me. Any natives want to drop a word in? M.C. Brown Shoes 03:27, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Why?

Why in blue fu*k do the fan sites keep being removed from external links? they are valid links.

I've allready had three complaints from people asking why I removed them. I didn't. The jerk sitting on his magical wiki-admin horse did.

So I ask this question, and I expect an answer, I don't care who from. WHAT IS WRONG WITH HAVING LINKS TO FANSITES? at the very least have the toolbar link (the best John Mayer resource for daily updates on the web)

You can forward any replies, complaints, hatemail ect to: renee@musicianslovejohnmayer.com


- Renee May (Is one pissed off Panda)

Wiki admin horse? I removed them, once at least. I'm hardly even a very active Wikipedian, far be it an admin. Wikipedia isn't a list of fan cites. I cited the policy when I removed them. Please follow policy, and also please avoid profanity/personal attacks. Thank you. Cheeser1 21:14, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Then how come the Dave Matthews Band entry, for instance, has fansites? Max Mismetti 15:01, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

That is not a good reason. Those fansite links are also not supposed to be there. You can't justify one policy violation with another. Cheeser1 21:39, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Archive and page move

This page probably belongs at John Mayer, seeing that the two other John Mayer articles are stubs and appear not nearly as notable. In addition, would anyone object to archiving this talk page? Thoughts? Cheers. --MZMcBride 22:06, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.


John Mayer (musician) → John Mayer — The musician is clearly the most notable of the three. MZMcBride 02:12, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Survey

Add  # '''Support'''  or  # '''Oppose'''  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~. Please remember that this is not a vote; comments must include reasons to carry weight.
  1. Support As nominator. The musician is clearly what's intended when typing "John Mayer." --MZMcBride 02:14, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

Add any additional comments:


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

This article has been renamed from John Mayer (musician) to John Mayer as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 08:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

References

A lot of information has recently been added to this article without referencing. I will be making efforts to reference this information, and invited any other editors to do so as well.--Esprit15d (talk ¤ contribs) 13:50, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

John Mayer Two-Rock Signature Amp

Need to update article to include recent John Mayer Two-Rock Signature Amplifier (see www.two-rock.com). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Andrewjoseph70 (talk • contribs) 05:05, 5 May 2007 (UTC).

Done.--Esprit15d (talk ¤ contribs) 17:49, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

JM&JS

Celebrity gossip sites almost all reported that Mayer and Jessica Simpson have ended their relationship as of 5/18/2007. Someone may want to keep their eyes open for verification of this. Oh and since they are always off and on, someone should definitely watch his personal life section then. 70.233.138.169 02:59, 19 May 2007 (UTC)hbick

Celebrity gossip sties are not acceptable as references for Wikipedia. If a valid source comes up, it's fine, but the fact is, no valid (i.e. reliable) sources have published that they're together, especially since Mayer's been nonchalant and has not confirmed anything about their relationship. --lincalinca 13:01, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

John Mayer's OMJM signature Martin guitar

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In 2006, Martin announced the OMJM, John Mayer's second signature Martin Guitar. Unlike the OM-28 John Mayer, the OMJM is not a limited edition model. I think it would be good to have this in the article, but I don't know how to edit it without disrupting the flow of that section. Daniel 226 13:37, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Jimi Hendrix Covers

Somewhere in the article, it should be mentioned that Wait Until Tomorrow and Bold As Love are both Jimi Hendrix covers. These songs are on Try! and Continuum respectively. I'll look for a logical place for this information and post again if I update the page.

Swsnow 15:10, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Probably the most logical place would be on the pages of the album articles. In fact, I would guess it is already mentioned there.--Esprit15d (talk ¤ contribs) 14:26, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

How Mayer got to playing the guitar

his dad was the principle of the high school and he once took a walkman from a dude that ws listening to it in class... thats when mayer took it to listen to the stuff that was playing on the walkman that was lying in the principles office and it was a stevie ray vaughan record on the tape, which he fell in love with

Seen or heard?

"The blues influence can also be seen on his album Continuum, released in September 2006."

Shouldn't this be "heard on his album...", it being a music album? 195.95.172.250 10:55, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Alright, so no-one has adressed this. I'm changing it to "heard", cause it's illogical that you can "see" a musical influence on a music album. I don't suppose anyone can see blues influence in the liner notes of Continuum?

195.95.172.250 11:42, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I believe either is appropriate. "See" can indicate sight, or it can indicate sensory perception in general. From the Oxford English Dictionary entry for "see" : 3. a. (fig.) trans. To perceive mentally (an immaterial object, a quality, etc.); to apprehend by thought (a truth, the answer to a question)... Sounds like "see" is fine, if not more appropriate. I'm reverting the unnecessary change. --Cheeser1 14:40, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

i thought that his dad was a policeman and his mom was a teacher??? If i remembered that correctly from when he was on Oprah.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.226.122.167 (talk) 22:42, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Grammy Award-winning

I've removed "Grammy Award-winning". The subject of the article is John Mayer, not his Grammy Awards. The lead sentence is supposed to identify the subject of the article. Mentioning Grammys there doesn't really identify him much (since his Grammys are not a fundamental topic of the article) and it casts him in a positive light. ShadowHalo 02:47, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Apparently someone added it again, and it has since been removed. Adjectives of praise or critism should not be in the opening statement (eg. DUI-convicted Nicole Richie, or Grammy-award winning actor Zach Braff, or accused-child-molester Michael Jackson, etc...).--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 18:28, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Synaesthesia

The wikipedia-article on the neuropsychological condition of Synaesthesia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synaesthesia) names John Mayer as an example of a famous Synaesthete.


In the seperate article with the actual list of famous synaesthetes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_synesthesia), he is only named in the 'proposed but still under review' section.


Does anyone has any reference to proof John Mayer does or does not have synaesthesia? This would be an important thing to mention in the article, and is of particular interest to me since I'm currently writing an article on synaesthesia in which I wish to name John Mayer as an example of a contemporary famous synaesthete, but cannot find any reference to this on the web.

212.204.155.128 14:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Contradiction

Near the beginning of the article, it says John Mayer first got a guitar at age 13 when his father rented one. Then later in "Career", it states "Mayer played the guitar for half a year before enrolling in the Berklee College of Music in Boston, Massachusetts, at the age of nineteen." I don't know what the correct age is, but there's a significant difference between 13 and 18/19. Sourgum 04:19, 17 October 2007 (UTC) sourgum October 16, 2007

You're right. I checked out the sources cited for each claim, and the source for the "half a year" claim actually confirmed the "age 13" claim and said nothing about Mayer only playing for a half a year before Berklee. Not sure when that got added in. I've removed it. —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 04:26, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Yesterday, the vandals had a field day. I'm going to go through today and route out some of the insanity.--Esprit15d 12:46, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Ron Paul

John Mayer has not officially endorse anybody. He alway pulls gag conversations when he is in front of the papparazzi, and the night before his 30th birthday, he made a scene comparing Ron Paul to RuPaul. I feel he was drunk. Go here for the footage.--Esprit15d 13:05, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I have reverted the readdition of this content. Regardless of whether he was drunk, acting, playing around, a YouTube video does not satisfy Wikipedia's requirement of verifiability from reliable secondary sources. Until it is reported (or possibly if he blogs about it), it has to remain out of an encyclopedic article. Secondly, the assertions that Mayer is playing a concert in support of Ron Paul do not appear to be true. No mention is made of such a show at either johnmayer.com or ronpaul2008.com. The only source cited appears to unequivocally make such a claim, but when "More event details" is clicked, one can find this wonderful tidbit:

If John Mayer is as big of a Ron Paul supporter as he claims (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrPCkMSTH9A) then we know he will be in Philadelphia to meet Dr. Paul and play for his supporters on November 10th. Whether you are a Ron or a John fan, I think we can all agree that America has lost its way. Let's bring these two influential people together for a day of fun and freedom in America's first great city, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

That page is, in effect, an attempt to recruit Mayer to play a free concert. As such, it must stay out of the article for the same reasons as the first. —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 06:38, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Portable John, Inc

John Mayer incorporated in the state of Georgia under the name Portable John, Inc. Here's the link to the filing with the state of Georgia. Not really sure how this fact could be worked in but it's kind of funny.

http://corp.sos.state.ga.us/corp/soskb/Corp.asp?75064 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewjoseph70 (talk • contribs) 17:57, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Benefit concert

I removed teh paragraph about the December 8 show. The article is very long, John has probably done (just to my knowledge) probably 20 benefit concerts, and the individual ones are not very notable. The notablity of any specific concert would be the only reason I would think it would merit inclusion in the article.--Esprit15d(۝ • ۞ • ▲) 13:24, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Biograhpy

John Mayer born a female, can someone please explain.--Penelopekp (talk) 01:56, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

That's what's called vandalism. The false information was removed. --Cheeser1 (talk) 02:11, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

This sentence needs work (or should be removed)

"Central to Mayer's proposal is a mid-ranged approach to being ecologically aware: neither completely fearful nor completely ambivalent of global warming."

By what standard is his proposal "mid-ranged," and who says this? Why are his ideas somewhat fearful and ambivalent, and what is meant by those words in this context? This sentence is rather subjective and needs work. I really don't know what the intention of the author was so I can't fix it myself. My 2 cents are to just remove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwr12 (talk • contribs) 03:48, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

If there is no opposition, I will be removing the sentence then.Dwr12 (talk) 17:59, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
From what I am reading above, you have two misunderstandings (1) That a wikipedia editor interpreted his ideas and came up with this sentence and (2) that the sentence is saying that his ideas are fearful and ambivalent. Actually, this sentence is a summary of his blog entry that says exactly this (I suggest you go read it, I added an archived link for you and anyone one else's convenience) and the sentence is saying that his idea is NOT fearful NOR ambivalent (in contrast with other global warning campaigns). This is purely John's opinion of his own campaign, and I think the article makes it pretty clear that this is coming from his blog, this is his own personal project and his personal ideas. If this were an ecological article, then his ideas would have to be substantiated, but this sentence is merely reporting one of his personal projects he's been working on the past year. All is all, I reinstated the sentence, but improved teh reffing to make the source of the sentence a little clearer.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 13:13, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
My "interpretation" of the fearful/ambivalent thing is due to a literal reading of the sentence. If his ideas are not completely fearful/ambivalent, it does not mean that they are absolutely not fearful/ambivalent. It is along the lines of this: if it is "not completely" cloudy today, there still can be some clouds in the sky. As for the statement being a self-evaluation by Mayer, I strongly feel that this is not made clear. What is clear is that the "proposal" is something out of his blog, but there is no indication that the evaluation of the proposal was done by Mayer himself in his blog. I have edited the sentence to introduce more attribution to Mayer for these opinions of the proposal: "Mayer regards his proposal as a mid-ranged approach to being ecologically aware: neither fearful nor ambivalent about global warming."Dwr12 (talk) 02:17, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
That rephrasing works fine to me :)--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 12:47, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Perez Hilton controversy

I just reverted a whole section in this article devoted to today's Perez Hilton "kissing" controversy. I feel this is a significant event, thus notable, and so should be included in the article. However, according to WP:WEIGHT, the amount of space devoted to a topic is also of importance. Considering this is a one-day blip in the course of his career, two sentences are more than sufficient, especially considering his year-long relationship with Jessica Simpson (much more significant) is only seven sentences and his whole early career is only one section. This little incident hardly merits its own section. Also, since this is a featured article major re-writes and contentious additions should be discussed here first.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 18:34, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree. And I restored your version when another user reverted your reversion; I think it is in keeping with WP:BLP policy. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 02:52, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Tour section

I removed the tour section. It was full of redlinks, and added virtually no notable information (it read Summer 2007 tour, Fall 2007 tour, Winter 2008 tour, etc...) The current touring section gives much more purposeful information about his tours to date.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 15:03, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Humor

Would someone like to add a humor section in this article regarding John Mayer's eccentric personality? I think this is appropriate to add since it is very much a part of his life. John Lennon has a section dedicated to his strange humor because it was such a notable part of his persona. It could perhaps talk about "John Mayer has a TV show" where John dressed up as a giant rat and interviewed unsuspecting fans, deliberately mispronouncing his name to anger the fans. Or his Esquire articles where he reviews his own album, giving it a B- and calling it somewhat 'creepy.' I would write the section myself but I don't really know that much about him. Perhaps you could also incorporate the "Portable John Inc." comment above. Discostu24000 (talk) 14:52, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

John dressed up as a bear, not a rat. Anyway, some mention of his columns and stand-up is mentioned in the article, so there is evidence of his humor. Any statements of his eccentricy is an opinion, and thus would have to be substantiated by ample third party sources. I'm not opposed as long as it is done briefly (since this is not a large part of his fame) and substantiated correctly.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 12:53, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Most of the time his "humor" seems to just be for his own benefit. It comes off more like mental instability. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.181.253.68 (talk) 00:33, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

The quote he made at the Grammys is wrong

{{editsemiprotected}} "This is soon. I'll try to live up to it." is the quote, not "This is very, very fast, and I promise to catch up.". I remember him saying it!, plus it's on google.Numcrun (talk) 20:53, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually Google seems to be against you, not to mention the quote in the article is referenced. Googling your quote (in quotes) yields just this from RottenTomatoes. ~EdGl (talk) 04:11, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Well Rotten Tomatoes is my reference. I searched for the quote as I remembered it and got a match. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.92.51.213 (talk) 11:45, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Still if you search "This is very, very fast, and I promise to catch up." in quotes, you get far more results (all involving John Mayer at the Grammys). Perhaps he said both things? ~EdGl (talk) 14:19, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

100 today

Yay! We hit 100 references on this article today. Unfortunately, the 100th was the reference about his parents getting divorced :( --Esprit15d • talk • contribs 13:11, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Awards

Under Awards, there is a line item that says Mayer received a Dundie Award. A Dundie Award was a (totally fictional) award given out on the NBC show "The Office" to people who worked in the office. (The character of Pam won for "Whitest Tennis Shoes," etc.) I could be wrong, but I don't think the production staff of The Office actually gave out Dundie Awards at any point, although that is pretty damn funny. Remove if necessary, I guess? Affablehipster (talk) 07:41, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


I was thinking the same thing, and was going to make a note about it here, but seeing as I wasn't the only one thinking this, I decided to remove it. Someone can create a trivia or pop culture section and put it in there if they really want. Damaband (talk) 07:37, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

He actually was sent a Dundie from the producers of The office for allowing them to use his song "Your body is a Wonderland" in their annual Dundie Awards episode.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 14:43, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

November 17?

Someone put the release date for Battle Studies as November 17, 2009. This is not right and they have no source. John Mayer has never said this nor has anyone else involved in the making of this album. I think the release should be changed back to TBD unless someone can find where the release date for this album was announced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.161.25.114 (talk) 13:56, 6 August 2009 (UTC) Go to his facebook page and it clearly states that Battle Studies will be released on November 17, 2009.


He just announced that today, so I was right at the time in saying there was no confirmation on this date. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.161.15.112 (talk) 22:44, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I added it and sourced it directly to his status on Twitter so it shouldn't be a problem in the future.--Musicool2 (talk) 23:06, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

TMZ Bet

Guitarist John Mayer will have to hand over $25,000 to charity, after losing a bet over his criminal record

Mayer bet editors at TMZ.com they couldn't track down a mug shot taken of him, following his arrest in 2001 for driving with a suspended licence.

He offered to donate the sum to a charity of site editor Harvey Levin's choice - and will have to dig deep after resourceful journalists tracked down the incriminating snap.

Mayer's money will go to an animal charity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.119.61 (talk) 05:46, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

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