Talk:Islamic Society of Boston

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text is plagarized[edit]

unfortunately, all the text in this article is plagarized from [1]. I am going to rewrite it. Elizmr 18:14, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I rewrote it and added some more external links, broke the article into sections, etc. Elizmr 18:49, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]


balancing POV - question about "Notable members" section[edit]

So, I updated some links, clarified some language, and updated some news (they finished their building). But I have a question about the "Notable Members" section. Besides the Tsarnaevs, who did attend the place if only occasionally, it was listing four (accused) terrorists with just one cite to a newspaper (New York Post), and it was an op-ed piece rather than a news piece. And one of the accusations is very shaky (Badawi was simply mentioned in an investigation about others), two of them the ISB says are false, and the fourth involves someone who radicalized decades after he was connected to the place. (Not to mention, it doesn't include any people notable for positive things.) Well, I considered just deleting it, but a newspaper source can count as a source, so maybe it has a right to be there but just needed balance? So I added a news article from the Boston Globe about how the ISB disputed the op-ed piece. But all in all, the list is looking a bit large relative to the rest of the article. So my question is, are the four disputed people verifiable enough to include in the list? Or should we just delete the section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Megercliff (talk • contribs) 03:16, 26 November 2015 (UTC) whoops, thanks for autosigning, SineBot! --Megercliff (talk) 03:20, 26 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well, looking at the edit history, apparently a new editor agreed with me that the section should be deleted, but then did it without any commentary, which triggered an anti-vandalism bot. Given that much agreement, though, it looks like we can at least trim down the section further.Megercliff (talk) 17:00, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
...Oohh, that Notable Members section... I see that Alpie202 added a whole ton of stuff. It's not very NPOV. And, in terms of the real estate on the page (word count) it's unbalanced relative to the size of the article. So I think it needs paring down. Also, it would be nice for someone to add some positive notable members... they're a big mosque after all. But even so, I don't think the notable members section of any article should be longer than the parts about the organization itself. Megercliff (talk) 04:00, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I pared it down. Alpie202, did you notice the wikilinks to the Wikipedia articles about those people? I moved a lot of your text to those articles, where IMHO it's more relevant. The article about Al-Amoudi in particular needed more citations and sources and so the extra text is very helpful there. About Siddiqui and Mehanna and Abousamra, sources differ about whether they attended ISB or not. The Globe article of 9/9/2014 reported that Mehanna and Abousamra went to other mosques in the suburbs of Boston, where they grew up. I'm not sure what Wikipedia's approach is when news reports about a topic conflict. So I'm putting them there in the Talk section for now:
For instance, Aafia Siddiqui, who was sentenced to 86 years in prison in 2010 for planning a New York chemical attack. [1] attended graduate school at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Brandeis University, and was active in MIT's Muslim Student Association. The ISB says she never attended the mosque.
* Tarek Mehanna, an American pharmacist who had travelled to Yemen to seek terrorist training and allegedly plotted to use weapons to shoot up a mall in Boston, was sentenced to 17 years in prison in 2012 for conspiring to provide material support to al-Qaeda.[1] According to testimony at trial, Mehanna intended “to participate in violent jihad against American interests and their desire to die on the battlefield.”[2]
  • Ahmad Abousamra, identified by the FBI as Mehanna’s co-conspirator, is currently on the FBI Most Wanted Terrorists list for conspiracy to provide support to terrorists - including al-Qaeda operatives - conspiracy to kill in a foreign country and false statements. In September 2014 Abousamra was supposedly running ISIS social media campaign.[3]

Megercliff (talk) 06:35, 12 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ a b Di Giovanni, Janine (2014-09-16). "Aafia Siddiqui: The Woman ISIS Wanted to Trade for Foley, Then Sotloff". Newsweek. Retrieved 2016-01-07.
  2. ^ "Tarek Mehanna Sentenced in Boston to 17 Years in Prison on Terrorism-Related Charges". Federal Bureau of Investigation. Retrieved 2016-01-07.
  3. ^ "The American computer wiz running ISIS' social media campaign". The Daily Mail UK. Retrieved 2016-01-07.

Notable members section and naming people as unindicted co-conspirators raised at WP:BLPN[edit]

My first concern was the "Notable members" as how in the world can I add someone not tainted by legal cases, etc to such a list without it tainting them? Then I discovered that a sealed list (made public before it was sealed)[2] of Unindicted co-conspirators is being used. Clearly a BLP violation. Doug Weller talk 12:16, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Doug Weller, are you stating that none of this material should be in the article? Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 10:39, 29 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it should. Certainly sources such as the "Consortium Against Terrorist Finance" which is an anonymous group (used as a source in other articles as well), maybe just one person, and the anti-Muslim Clarion Project shouldn't be used. As an example, Abdurahman Alamoudi fooled a lot of people, why should he be used to tar this group? Or Yusuf al-Qaradawi was also at trustee of a University of Oxford related centre whose patron was Prince Charles. His notoriety came about after his involvement. Doug Weller talk 11:44, 29 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Flyer22 Reborn: In fact I've raised the Consortium at RSN. Doug Weller talk 12:02, 29 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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