Talk:Hurricane Bawbag/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Note

regarding the 'not news' tag now, we have articles on 'Hurricanes', floods, snow etc. After today when the damage is done with figures released the article could be worth saving. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 14:42, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit Request - 8th December 2011

Please take out, "Resident from Ayr, named Ellie Tait was very prepared for the hurricane as she wore her very warm jacket", as it is irrelevant and considered silly.

EDIT:: Nevermind. Seems to be gone now. (Theophilagapeton (talk) 16:00, 8 December 2011 (UTC))

Done!Vrenator ^talk 16

02, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Also, quick note re: the photos of Union Street -- it's mentioned twice, and only needs to be once. :) Thanks! (Theophilagapeton (talk) 16:08, 8 December 2011 (UTC))

Notible as cultural phenomenon

Now explicitely mentioned by two WP:RSs, [[Scottish Television] ([1]) and Huffington Post ([2]). Definitely WP:N, no justification for speedy or title change.FrFintonStack (talk) 16:09, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

There are no speedy or title change tags on the article... almightybob (pray) 16:13, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

I think he's just saying that as a precaution for later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.234.194 (talk) 16:29, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism

Would IPs STOP vandalizing the page. Thank you. ----Bruvtakesover (talk!) 15:32, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

I've just semi'd it [stwalkerster|talk] 15:49, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

You make a page called 'hurricane bawbag' and you're surprised it's getting 'vandalised'? Having looked at some of the reverted edits, I think the vandals have a better idea how a web page with a title like this ought to read. Some of you should take yourselves a little less seriously and if you must write about bawbags go and do it on Urban Dictionary or somewhere similar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.39.12.21 (talk) 16:36, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 December 2011

Official Facebook page http://www.facebook.com/HurricaneBawbag2011 95.145.157.132 (talk) 17:11, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Declined. This isn't an "official" page. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 17:53, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 December 2011

Bawbag,glasgow slang for a term of endearment.look up glasgow slang words

92.3.173.134 (talk) 18:09, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Declined. In the Scottish vernacular many disparaging terms can be used affectionately, but there is nothing specific in that regard when it comes to either the word or the usage here. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 18:18, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request - date possibly incorrect?

Article reads 'midnight on 8th december' when in fact I think that it is a date in the future. Should it not be 'midnight of 7th December'? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.144.151.228 (talk) 18:24, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Nope. As soon as it becomes 12 am (midnight) its the next day. It is midnight of December 8th — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.191.241.140 (talk) 18:32, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Second IP is correct - imagine a 24-hour clock. Midnight, 0:00, is the beginning of the day. Although colloquially you would be understood to mean tonight rather than last night if you said "meet me at midnight on the 8th December", it's not technically correct. almightybob (pray) 18:39, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Photo Gallery

A photo gallery has been published on the Real Radio website which shows some of the storms destruction.

Kbarlee (talk) 15:54, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, all of those are copyrighted, so we can't make use of them here. If you have any freely licensed images, please upload them to Wikimedia Commons and they can then be used here. Mike Peel (talk) 18:44, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 December 2011

The sentence 'Rangers FC are still Bawbags' is a) irrelevant b) racist c) liable to cause offense and violence.

90.196.136.235 (talk) 15:54, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Already gone [stwalkerster|talk] 15:56, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Racist against which race? Rangers? :) -taras (talk) 16:59, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Wasn't this Celtic FC earlier? Seriously, this isn't a football game. Keep this garbage off of here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.234.194 (talk) 18:55, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 December 2011

please mention the fact that wheelie bins were over taken me on the motorway 92.26.100.105 (talk) 19:25, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

 Not done, hardly notable, and you are not a reliable source--Jac16888 ^Talk 19:29, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 December 2011

You're missing a key definition of the term 'bawbag'. It's used to mean a stupid, glaikit, foolish or generally annoying person (or thing) in this case. The definition adds texture to the original joke. Urban dictionary in agreement. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bawbag Sera21 (talk) 19:53, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

 Not done I'm sorry, but really any of the definitions of the term are irrelevant to the article. Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 19:58, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 December 2011

instead of bawbag being named vulgar Scottish expression the word vulgar should be removed as it is not vulgar its just different dialect

139.133.7.237 (talk) 16:41, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

I agree, it's not vulgar for 'ballbag' - 'ballbag' itself is vulgar, 'bawbag' is just the dialect MkeCr (talk) 16:59, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

I also agree that while it derives from a vulgar term it isn't wholly vulgar per this usage; just Scots. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sera21 (talk • contribs) 19:59, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure what the problem is - are you saying the word "vulgar" should not be applied? Because it is an accurate description of the term bawbag. I agree the sentence could use tidying up though - I'm not sure the clarification of "ballbag" is necessary, if that is removed it will probably flow better. almightybob (pray) 17:06, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Declined; no consensus that the present wording is inaccurate or misleading. The expression is both Scottish and vulgar, independently as well as combined, and as such "vulgar Scottish" seems fine. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 19:21, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

"vulgar" is not too contentious, but the term "Scottish vernacular" is. It would be more accurate to describe it as a Scots word that is used in various dialects (of both Scots and English and everything between, see the description of the linguistic continuum in Scotland on the Scots language page). Probably a clearer and less contentious phrasing would be "... based on the Scots word bawbag." Junglehungry (talk) 20:44, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Marking this as answered while discussion occurs as well as last editor to mark as unanswered can edit the article on their own so therefore does not need the edit request. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 01:17, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 December 2011

Please mention ferries in the transport page!! 212.183.128.20 (talk) 00:37, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 01:18, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 December 2011

Please change exaggerated statement in first paragraph about average windspeed being 80-90mph. This was the maximum gust speed at low level - the source says nothing about average speeds. The speed of 165mph was recorded at the summit of Cairn Gorm mountain. 86.157.207.225 (talk) 01:42, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Actually the source does say something about the average windspeed just under the bulletpoints it says "Wind speeds in most populated areas were between 70-80mph".Jason Rees (talk) 01:52, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't say average. Those are the maximum speeds. The Met Office report [3] says 77mph was the maximum recorded in Edinburgh and 71mph in Glasgow. 86.170.90.43 (talk) 02:16, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Do not re-propose deletion

Per WP:DEPROD, once a proposed deletion has been contested the next step is AfD. Do not re-add the prod tag. Quite honestly I think taking a current news item to AfD is a waste of time due to the number of well-meaning editors who will turn up contesting it; leaving this for a few days until a more objective appraisal of the event can be taken is probably sensible. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:54, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Bawbag=pejorative

Glasgow, Scotland origin, derogitary name given to one who is annoying, useless or just plain stupid. To compare one with part of the male genitalia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.132.248.95 (talk) 08:58, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh My God Trampoline

Worth mentioning the Oh my god trampoline?

Many major news websites reported the viral video, as it trended on twitter. original video at http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=214702938604320

Copies are on youtube etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.212.49.111 (talk) 22:58, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

No. Jolly Ω Janner 18:33, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Did You Know

Ok guys, this is easily DYK material. Let's work tomorrow to clean it up and then nominate soon. I'm envisaging the hook being something along the lines of
...that Windstorm Friedhelm, a storm which passed over the northern UK, was colloquially nicknamed Hurricane Bawbag in Scotland. The term Bawbag being slang for male genitalia. Adam4267 (talk) 01:06, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

As much as it makes me cringe, the etymology does make for good DYK material. That hook is kinda too long, though, so perhaps

...that the name Hurricane Bawbag, the colloquial name for European windstorm Friedhelm, comes from a Scots word for scrotum? Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 01:13, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I like Ks0stm's revision, a bit less wordy and a better flow. But it does suggest (if you take out the middle clause) that the hurricane comes from the word bawbag, rather than just its colloquial name. So I would suggest either ... that the name Hurricane Bawbag... and then the rest of Ks0stm's version, or something like

...that a Scottish slang word for scrotum was used to colloquially rename European windstorm Friedhelm as Hurricane Bawbag? almightybob (pray) 12:11, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm fine with either that or your revision of my wording, although I think if having to choose I would say the revision of my wording on the basis of it seems to communicate the interesting fact a bit better (although that may be because I understand my wording better naturally). Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 17:12, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I would definitely avoid the term "Scottish slang" this is contentious and POV (see Scots Language page for some discussion on the contentious nature of the names for the language, or http://www.scotslanguage.com/books/view/2/ for a little more detail. "... a Scots word for scrotum..." would be more neutral. Junglehungry (talk) 20:48, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Ok...hmm...I thought it was Scottish dialect; I didn't actually register that it was from the Scots language. Changed my suggestion in my comment above per Almightybob101 and your suggestion. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 21:12, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

It is slang, described as such by sources and, well it just is slang. Adam4267 (talk) 21:25, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

So in my opinion this article looks ready to go, at least on the surface. Anyone want to nominate it? Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 21:12, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I will if nobody objects. How's this for the hook ...that Hurricane Bawbag was a nickname given to the European windstorm, Friedhelm. The term bawbag being a Scottish slang word for scrotum. Adam4267 (talk) 21:25, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

That's great and all except it has to be one sentence and relatively short. All in all for a DYK hook the best way I can think of to say what needs said is still ...that the name Hurricane Bawbag, the colloquial name for European windstorm Friedhelm, comes from a Scots word for scrotum? I agree with Junglehungry about the Scottish/Scots difference mostly because on Wiktionary it's listed as a Scots word rather than an English/Scottish dialect slang word. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 21:42, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

That last one looks good to me! almightybob (pray) 12:21, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Adam4267 appears to have already nominated it with his hook so I suggested this alternate hook on the DYK nomination page here since I'd hate to see it fail because of a bad hook. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 17:12, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Wind speeds

Per edit, agx please stop reverting sourced factual edits with inaccurate ones. I provided the source stating wind speeds have reached 151mph, read the reference before you change it. almightybob (pray) 15:10, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, it's becoming difficult to add new things to the article when others are also doing this, such as that edit when the diff I was editing was the most recent. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 15:15, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Ah OK, no problem then :) almightybob (pray) 15:16, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

BBC source now states 165mph, trying to update to this new highest speed but people keep reverting me :P almightybob (pray) 15:35, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

I believe this 165mph speed is erroneous. The original SYNOP data from the Cairngorm summit Met Office weather station is is viewable here (and from other sources ) and shows a peak gust speed of 136 knots (156 mph) at 2.50 pm (it stopped recording wind speed data after that). 93.89.134.113 (talk) 20:04, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

England info

I'm out of editing time for today, but the article desperately needs some storm information for England. Also, it'd help if someone could expand the Warnings section. Auree ★ 03:07, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

To what extent has Bawbag affected England? Every time I Google it or search BBC News etc all I get are Scottish place names in the articles. Will keep looking later on though almightybob (pray) 11:55, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

If you're Googling "Bawbag", that might explain it: here in England that term wasn't used, at least not widely. The highest official gust I've seen reported in England was 73 mph at Church Fenton (source: Met Office) but I don't know what level of actual damage was caused. Loganberry (Talk) 01:32, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Contested deletion

It should remain as is.It is now locked into Scots Culture as Hurricane Bawbag.I am a Scot living in South Louisiana and I would rather have some piddly Cat 2 Hurricane then Bawbag, so although Bawbag was not actually a Hurricane it was worse than a lot of Hurricanes I've been through.So keep it as is. Just to note the next horror due at the end of the week will be Hurricane Cludgie or Chantie. Good Scots words.Look them up if ye dinnae ken whut they mean. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Riodee (talk • contribs) 15:01, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Credibility

The naming of this article would be 100% more credible if the naming of the storm wasn't solely cited to a user-generated news website, which in turn is sourced from twitter-feeds. Are there no better sources that discuss the naming? --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 02:03, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I've posted links to STV, Huffington Post and BBC Radio pieces above.FrFintonStack (talk) 02:38, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Since when has credibility been the arbiter of what names are given to objects and events? Go into the street in Scotland and ask the average person what the storm was called, and I think you will find that most will NOT reply with "Friedhelm" or some variation. Many WILL reply with "Hurricane Bawbag" or somesuch. Googling the term produces many thousands more hits too. It has been prominently featured in newspapers, radio and on television. It has been referred to by politicians among others. How much more credible or commonly used do you want? If your sensibilities are offended by a slang term for the scrotum, check the OED, and look up "scrotum", as this is there in the "s" section. Is this not a credible tome?81.171.235.115 (talk) 11:33, 10 December 2011 (UTC)Lance Tyrell

I find no reference to "credibility of article" in WP:TITLE. What I do see reference to is common name, which Hurricane Bawbag certainly is. almightybob (pray) 12:15, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Who said anything about "credibility of article"? I was talking about the naming of the article, which I think you'll find lots about in WP:TITLE. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 16:55, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia works to what can be found in reliable sources, not what a Wikipedia editor believes would be the result of a people-in-the-street interview or google hit counting. If it has "featured prominently in newspapers" then there will be no problem finding good sources, and we need not bother with anyone's imaginary street poll. And please don't tell me what I do, or do not find offensive. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 16:55, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Excuuuuuse me.... The word credible was used with reference to the naming of the article, and not introduced by me. I replied, addressing that point. As far as street polls, etc., I was making the additional point that in addition to reports on radio, tv, and in newspapers, (examples of which have been cited) the general public appear to recognise it by its common name as opposed to some CLAIMED official name, (which has NOT had the publicity of the "offensive" title), when it is nothing of the sort. An article does not have to me non offensive to remain encyclopaedic, otherwise we wouldn't have much addressing, say, human sexuality, for instance. I don't recall telling anyone what they find offensive, as TBH that is immaterial regarding nomenclature of articles. As far as using official names goes, I don't see a section of the British army officially called the "Desert Rats", yet there they are live and kicking on Wikipedia, and apparently not small and furry. Surely the idea of an encyclopaedia is for people to be able to look up an article using the titles of objects or events with which they are familiar? You might find that Wikipedia gets used a lot less if people can only get the correct articles if they type exactly the officially approved (by whom?) titles.81.171.235.115 (talk) 09:17, 11 December 2011 (UTC)Lance Tyrell

Redirects take care of that, regardless of the title. The discussion is about the title of the article. Jolly Ω Janner 10:30, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Indeed, so what is wrong with the title as it currently stands? Are we to believe that we must now adjust the entries in an encyclopaedia so as not to be to the detriment of the sensibilities of some poor souls? Neither name is any more or less official than any other, and one is much more in the public domain. Why stick on a minority title on an article which appears to deal specifically or at least mainly about the weather system and its effects on Scotland? As I pointed out earlier, other countries will presumably have their own names in addition to the unofficial "official" one, and presumably will have this reflected in their own language articles which cover the weather system in its entirety, (which this article does not) and its effects on other regions.81.171.235.115 (talk) 13:58, 11 December 2011 (UTC)Lance Tyrell

Article titles, just like their content, are decided based upon English reliable sources. And as Escape Orbit pointed out with this section, there lies the problem. This is also my issue in the section further up on deciding a title for this article. Twitter is not a reliable source (whether primarily or secondarily referenced). There are some examples of reliable sources using "Hurricane Bawbag", but the vast majority don't give it a name. Jolly Ω Janner 15:30, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. The issue here is sources, yet any attempt to discuss the title has been diverted by people getting on their high horse about others' delicate sensibilities. They, personally, are not offended by the name. We get it, well done. But that is not the issue and a red-herring that we can ignore. I've cited the name from better sources now, but there still remains the issue which I will now explain.

The sources are focussed on the "internet phenomenon", not the actual storm. What is the article about? A weather system, or the fact that some name for it became briefly quite the thing on twitter? If it is the former; then is this really the widely used name for it (outwith twitterers)? Will people really be referring to it in even a year's time with this name? If it is the latter, then is a passing twitter trend really that notable? --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 10:41, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

The article is about both the storm and the reaction to it (in particular the naming). Time will tell whether the hubbub over the name dies down. This is not the first article which takes as its subject both a real-life phenomenon and an Internet phenomenon based on it. Sometimes the phenomenon is really the only notable thing. Sometimes both the real-life thing and the online thing end up with their own articles. All we can do is wait and see what happens in the long run here. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 13:22, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

You have a point, But if the article is about the name and the internet phenomenon then the lead sentence should be changed; "Hurricane Bawbag" was a name given to a storm on twitter", or words to that effect. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 18:18, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Is the name really exclusive to twitter? That's unexpected, as I'd only ever heard it named bawbag - and it caused disruption in my part of the world - but I never use twitter. Then I came to this article and found it had an official name too. bobrayner (talk) 18:47, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Meaning of "bawbag"

Since the common name of this is obviously unusual, do we have anything we can add on how it got this name?

Most writing (here and elsewhere) focusses on the litteral meaning of "bawbag" being scrotum (as a bag which balls are in) - however in everyday use, it is far more likely to hear the term used as an insult against someone.

This is similar to modern use of the word bastard - most of the time it is used, it is not in its literal sense.

There was a comment above by User:Sera21 - I think the rather unencyclopedic tone of that comment got in the way of the message: that by giving it this insulting name, people were showing defiance of something which was doing them harm.

However I'm not really sure how to translate this into a form of words that'd go well on the page, or indeed how to begin sourcing references for it...

Cheers, davidprior ^t/_c 11:29, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I think the embedded link to the Wiktionary entry for bawbag does fine in explaining that it's more often used as an insult rather than to actually refer to a scrotum. I don't think we need to go much further into the etymology of the name than that really. And as you correctly point out, sourcing the use of "bawbag" as a defiant insult and challenge to the storm to come ahead ya bass would be tricky to say the least. almightybob (pray) 11:49, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Bawbag = blowhard, at least that is how we have used it growing up in the heart of Scotland. --Bob247 (talk) 17:57, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Having also grown up in the heart of Scotland, I'm more than familiar with its meaning ;) The problem is

1. finding a reliable source that documents that "bawbag" is often used as an insult, a term of endearment, a challenge and anything inbetween, and
2. the relevance of such a definition to the article, considering Wikipedia is not a dictionary.almightybob (pray) 12:19, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Speaking as a Scot and a "survivor"(!) of HB. The name Hurricane Bawbag is intentionally oxymoronic - this is why both elements are essential to the name. "Scrotum" is the bare-bones literal translation of "bawbag": to say "bawbag means scrotum" is like saying a person who's a jerk is "a masturbation". To call someone a bawbag is to characterise them as being annoyingly mean/aggressive and at the same time insignificant or unworthy of attention. This gale was heralded by the Met Office and by news media (and government spokesmen) in terms that turned out to be very exaggerated:it was an annoyance ratrher than a hazard. THAT'S the point of the name - it defines the weather event as significant and fearsome ONLY in terms of prior media hype and over-reaction by the authorities. It names a cultural event (and cultural trend in hype), not just a weather event. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jistaface (talk • contribs) 21:37, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Contested deletion

• Suggest keeping the title as is as that is what it's been known as by the Scottish public. By all means explain in the text any technical description of the storm. comment by user:swabaxter —Preceding undated comment added 21:26, 14 December 2011 (UTC).
• It is much more widley known as Bowbag, so the term I believe should well be used — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saariselka1 (talk • contribs) 02:35, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
• whilst the event is still ongoing, there is no justification for removing it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saariselka1 (talk • contribs) 16:08, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
• This page should not be speedy deleted as pure vandalism or a blatant hoax, because... it's happening right now in Scotland, is on our national news and is a top trend on twitter. Type it into Google wikiguys it's there and the merchandise is real.
• This page should not be speedy deleted as pure vandalism or a blatant hoax, as there is a large storm in Scotland and this reference has become culturally central to it. It is standard to create pages to refer to serious weather events, which this is: the title is currently the most popular term used for this one. The page requires revision rather than deletion.
• This page should not be speedy deleted as pure vandalism or a blatant hoax, because this is a current event that is trending on Twitter. It is causing widespread disruption across Scotland. Schools and universities have been closed, trains cancelled, etc.
• This page should not be speedy deleted as pure vandalism or a blatant hoax, because... (its true, search google) --92.26.100.105 (talk) 13:40, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
• This page should not be speedy deleted as pure vandalism or a blatant hoax, because... this is a topic that has been had a lot of exposure on social media websites lately and I'd like to know more about it. Deleting the page will not encourage anyone who knows aout the event to share their knowledge about it...
• This page should not be speedy deleted as pure vandalism or a blatant hoax, because... (your reason here) --2.24.167.102 (talk) 13:42, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
  • If you were to google "hurricane bawbag" you'll see that it's completely true.
• This page should not be speedy deleted as pure vandalism or a blatant hoax, because.the article is accurate as the people of Scotland gave this storm the name Hurricane Bawbag) --87.112.44.68 (talk) 13:43, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
• This page should not be speedy deleted as pure vandalism or a blatant hoax, because... it is a very windy day in Scotland and we ARE calling it hurricane Bawbag, so its true, not a hoax and should stay
• This page should not be speedy deleted as pure vandalism or a blatant hoax, because... it is accurate and correct.
• This page should not be speedy deleted as pure vandalism or a blatant hoax, because it happened. I was there.
• This page should not be speedy deleted as pure vandalism or a blatant hoax, because... (all you need to do is google the term and you will see that it is trending massively online. News groups have also started using the term 'hurricane bawbag') --118.44.246.82 (talk) 13:58, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
• This page should not be speedy deleted as pure vandalism or a blatant hoax, because... (your reason here) --90.196.54.66 (talk) 13:59, 8 December 2011 (UTC) It depicts an actual even which received considerable media coverage and has trended in the world wide top ten on twitter
• This page should not be speedy deleted as pure vandalism or a blatant hoax, because... (your reason here) --193.60.168.65 (talk) 14:04, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

There is not a word of a lie in the statement. There was/is stormy weather in Scotland and it has been dubbed "hurricane bawbag" by millions of people. Just because the term is seen as rude doesn't mean this is a hoax, the reason so many people refer to the weather as hurricane bawbag is because of the comical value of the name and the way it contrasts to traditional American named hurricanes. This is an important topic as it highlights the humour and light heartedness of Scottish people who are taking a serious issue and dismissing it as a joke. Examples of this has been seen throughout British history. Do not delete this just because the term can be seen as rude. It is all fact!