Talk:Hospice care in the United States/Archive 1

Copyright violation[edit]

There was a claim made by Hnsampat (talk · contribs · count · logs · page moves · block log) that there is infringing text. Does anyone have specific language they believe to be infringing? If so can you list the language and source? jbolden1517 ^Talk 21:53, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please list the infringing language you believe exists. Its unclear what paragraphs of the article you claiming infringe jbolden1517 ^Talk 05:38, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am investigating these concerns. I see that Hnsampat asserts copying from numerous sources, and there seems to be something to that. This book says, "the terms hospice care and palliative care often used interchangeably.... however, hospice care and palliative care not the same." The first sentence of our article reads, "The terms hospice and palliative care are often used interchangeably, but they are not the same." Skip a sentence, our article says, "In 2007, more than 1.4 million people with a life-limiting illness were served by the 4,700 hospices in the United States." This says "More than 1.4 million people with a life-limiting illness were served by the nation's 4,700 hospices last year." The first sentence of the next section says, "Hospice comes from the same linguistic root as hospitality." This is verbatim in [http://books.google.com/books?id=Ofnq3WUs4OMC&pg=PA457&lpg=PA457&dq=%22Hospice+comes+from+the+same+linguistic+root+as+hospitality.%

22&source=web&ots=hXl3sHPhts&sig=2GlFsbxSd_6ezMdXqeeBpdAxCoI&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result this book]. The next sentence says, "In medieval Europe, hospice was a place where weary travelers found shelter on a long journey." The tagged source says, "In medieval times, hospice was a place where weary travelers found shelter." The next two sentences are primarily GFDL infringements of Cicely Saunders, which says, "At the time hospices were sanctuaries provided by religious orders for the dying poor. They offered food, clothing, shelter as well as minimal medical care." The next couple of sentences are copied in whole or in part from here. What I've looked at so far certainly seems to be a pastiche of previously published sources. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:20, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Hospice Team section seems to have been copied wholesale from here, except the last point which is cobbed from this page. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I see that the contributor was not notified of this matter. I will advise. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:29, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies for my incomplete work. I usually am good about informing the contributors, raising the issue on the talk page, detailing everything out, etc. My mind must have been elsewhere. :) --Hnsampat (talk) 19:21, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not an expert on Hospice (I came to this article to assist a potential new editor). But it worth noting that approximately 100% of US hospice care comes through the medicare system. Things like the number of hospices and number of patients probably derive from their data and that is public. Given the fact that the underlying data is not copyrighted and that there is some rephrasing are we sure that just adding references wouldn't solve the problem? That is what we are looking at is essentially a term paper that doesn't have enough foot notes and not an attempt to violate copyright. That is can we clean this up without deletion? The new editor would have access to information which is either public or where he can authorize the GFDL release, but I don't know if he could handle this article without starting from someone else's structure.

In any case I'm glad the original author has been notified. jbolden1517 ^Talk 21:39, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, just adding a few references isn't going to take care of it. We can only duplicate text from external sources if it is public domain, licensed accordingly with GFDL or meets WP:NFC. Some of this could be taken care of by adding quotation marks and attributing, like the first sentence, but broad expanses like the "Hospice Team" section will require complete reworking or removal. Having verified significant infringement in some areas, I have not investigated every section (sadly, a very time consuming process). If we attempt to clean copyrighted material, all sections will need to be closely examined to ensure that there are not additional points of infringement yet undetected. Ideally, somebody will undertake a clean revision from scratch in the temporary space. The contributor, who is not new, may choose to undertake this himself. (According to his userpage, he has over 6,000 edits to his name; he registered in 2007.) Any other editor is welcome to get this started. As an admin investigating copyright issues, I have addressed more than a few such problems myself, but I do not attempt to do so until the 7 day investigation period is closed in order to give regular contributors to a subject a chance to do so. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 21:49, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To demonstrate what I mean, I took a section randomly from the bottom. "The Washington Homes Art Buchwald Award, established to honor those who help others face life in its final stages, was presented in 2008 to the co-authors of The Last Lecture" is derived from this clearly copyright sourced [1]. "Buchwald became an outspoken advocate for hospice care during the last year of his life." is taken from [2]. "While there, he completed a book titled Too Soon to Say Goodbye, about the five months he spent in the hospice" is another GFDL infringement, from Art Buchwald. (That one, of course, could be easily fixed.) (I started at the bottom and stopped looking when I hit that sentence, because I'm out of time. There may be more in that section.) Unfortunately, this article contains a multitude of sentences and phrases pasted from other sources. It may have been unintended infringement, but it is still text that we can't use on Wikipedia as-is without permission or modification. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 21:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am a newcomer to Wikipedia and a novice in general with on-line encyclopedia' but I have been a hospice director for 2 years---I will give a re-write a shotTbolden (talk) 17:04, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That would be great. :) If you haven't already, please follow the link currently on the front of the article to a temporary page. If I can offer you any assistance, please let me know. I'll be happy to help however I can. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 17:05, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Moonriddengirl, I am on a role but I think I probably need to read the guidelines on writing articles if you see anything glaring with my mechanics please let me know and thank you 67.151.123.162 (talk) 20:27, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. It looks like a great start. Thanks so much for pitching in. I've done a little bit of formatting clean up (we don't sign article spaces, though you're signing the talk space just right. That one is going to be an article space, so we wouldn't sign it, either), but most of that can be taken care of after you feel content is complete. Eventually we'll add "wikilinks"--putting brackets around words that lead to other major Wikipedia articles. One thing you might want to do is start collecting sources. Since Wikipedia's contents can be added by anyone, our readers need to be able to verify that it is accurate--it is one of the checks & balances we have in place for trying to demonstrate when an article is reliable. If you can, please help add some good sources for this information. If you write anything in the text that is likely to be challenged or that people might particularly need to verify, you can add it inline. We source this way (in simple form): <ref>Author (date) "[url title]" ''Journal/Newspaper/Book'' Retrieved on date.</ref> Anything you put between <ref>...</ref> will show up in footnotes automatically. More general sources can be listed under the "Sources" header. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 20:44, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

One thing I will point out, so you don't get frustrated: we can't do regular paragraphing here. We start at the margin and leave a space between paragraphs. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 20:56, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

thanks much!67.151.123.162 (talk) 21:21, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am currently adding some sources to your version and will soon move it into article space. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:27, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

←New article is in place. I am almost finished adding some wikilinks and some sourcing necessary for our verifiability policy. Job well done. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 15:24, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]