Talk:Hilda Gregg

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 08:36, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that Hilda Gregg published a novel every year between 1895 and 1925? Source: ODNB - https://doi.org/10.1093/ref:odnb/38927
  • ALT1:... that Hilda Gregg cranked out a novel a year for exactly three decades? Source: ODNB - https://doi.org/10.1093/ref:odnb/38927

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Niya (mythology)
• Comment: Source is paywalled but says "In 1894 Gregg sent her first novel, In Furthest Ind, a fictional memoir of a seventeenth-century Englishman's adventures in India, on speculation to the Edinburgh firm of William Blackwood, who published it in 1895 under the pseudonym of Sydney C. Grier. Blackwood remained her publisher throughout her writing career. In Furthest Ind, praised for its seemingly first-hand knowledge of locale and its skilful dialogue, set the tone and style for Gregg's subsequent works, which she produced at a rate of one a year until 1925."

Moved to mainspace by Mujinga (talk). Self-nominated at 15:05, 27 June 2020 (UTC).

• New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. QPQ done. Image in article is freely licensed. The first hook intrigued me (I struck the second for lack of encyclopedic tone), but it is not clear that she published a novel every year. The source seems to indicate that she wrote a novel every year. Your article says she published roughly every year. Could you be more specific about what she did, and apply that to the hook wording? The page is also an WP:ORPHAN; please link it in at least one other Wikipedia article. Yoninah (talk) 20:08, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Cover of Peace with Honour by Hilda Gregg

• • ALT2:... that Sydney C. Grier's 1897 novel (cover pictured) was unusual as its hero was a doctor, who travelled abroad, and was a woman? The New Woman Doctor in Sydney C. Grier’s Peace with Honour

• Thank you, Victuallers. I formatted the image. But we need to do some explaining as to why a different byline is on the cover. Yoninah (talk) 14:56, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

• Fixed - link is now "Sydney C. Grier" (improves the hook IMO) - arguably the article should have this name, but not keen to make such a drastic change without asking Mujinga. Victuallers (talk) 15:13, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks for the comments and additions, I don't think the pseudonym should be the article title when sources such as ODNB use her real name, but happy to discuss further on the talkpage, as naming a person correctly is such an important issue. I've added another ref and will have another go at a new version of the original hook below Mujinga (talk) 16:26, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
• ALT3 ... that Hilda Gregg published a novel every year for three decades? Inventing Ruritania: The Imperialism of the Imagination isbn=978-0-300-07312-6 page=52 "between 1894 and 1925, she published roughly a novel a year"

• @Mujinga: could you provide the text from the source verifying the ALT3 hook fact on this template please? Yoninah (talk) 08:54, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: done Mujinga (talk) 18:06, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

• @Mujinga: thanks. The only thing I'm concerned about is that word roughly. She couldn't possibly have written 30 books in 30 years. Yoninah (talk) 20:37, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: Well both references say 30 books in three decades so I think it's fair to say she was bringing out / writing / publishing a book every year for the hook. These are rip-roaring novels not philosophical tomes. I did have a good look for a complete list of her works, but I haven't been able to find one. Mujinga (talk) 11:39, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

• Hi @Yoninah: what do you think about this now? Mujinga (talk) 17:37, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

• Well, now that I can access ODNB, I can read the whole source and verify the hook fact. So I took "roughly" out of the article and edited the lead a bit. ALT3 hook ref verified and cited inline. ALT3 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 18:37, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Name change

Wikis naming policy for articles is to use the name that they were known as. So the ODNB artice "Dodgson, Charles Lutwidge [Lewis Carroll]" is known as "Lewis Carroll" on wiki. I believe her public name was Sydney. Victuallers (talk) 08:32, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm honestly not that bothered either way and fine with changing it if the consensus supports, but reading WP:PSEUDONYM leaves me undecided. It says the "name most frequently used in independent reliable sources" should be used and of the sources currently used on the article, ODNB goes with "Gregg, Hilda Caroline [pseud. Sydney C. Grier]", The Cambridge Guide to Women's Writing in English uses Grier, Syndey (sic) C. [Hilda Caroline Gregg]. Herbert, Goldsworthy and Mazumdar use Gregg. Kirwan uses Grier, but also says "Sydney Carlyon Grier who wrote under the pseudonym Hilda Gregg" which is the wrong way round.

Maybe if we can find how she published her non-fiction in Blackwood's Magazine that might help decide things? As in did she publish non-fiction under Gregg or Grier, since that might demonstrate how she was known when not writing novels. The extra sources I'm checking seem to suggest she published "The Indian Mutiny in Fiction" as Gregg (for example Imperialism as Diaspora: Race, Sexuality, and History in Anglo-India and Detective Fiction and the Rise of Forensic Science on google books) but it would great to find an actual definitive list of her works. Mujinga (talk) 11:50, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Feedback from New Page Review process

I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Cool article. Need an image..

scope_creep^Talk 23:55, 2 July 2020 (UTC)