Talk:Hellenistic Judaism

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WikiProject Ancient Egypt to-do list:

Needed articles.

We should have an article on every pyramid and every nome in Ancient Egypt. I'm sure the rest of us can think of other articles we should have.

Cleanup.

To start with, most of the general history articles badly need attention. And I'm told that at least some of the dynasty articles need work. Any other candidates?

Standardize the Chronology.

A boring task, but the benefit of doing it is that you can set the dates !(e.g., why say Khufu lived 2589-2566? As long as you keep the length of his reign correct, or cite a respected source, you can date it 2590-2567 or 2585-2563)

Stub sorting

Anyone? I consider this probably the most unimportant of tasks on Wikipedia, but if you believe it needs to be done . . .

Data sorting.

This is a project I'd like to take on some day, & could be applied to more of Wikipedia than just Ancient Egypt. Take one of the standard authorities of history or culture -- Herotodus, the Elder Pliny, the writings of Breasted or Kenneth Kitchen, & see if you can't smoothly merge quotations or information into relevant articles. Probably a good exercise for someone who owns one of those impressive texts, yet can't get access to a research library.

Council of Jamnia[edit]

The statement on mainstream Judaism outlawing the use of the Septuagint seems to be bogus: it refers to the "Council of Jamnia" which is essentially an obsolete unproven hypothesis formulated by Heinrich Graetz in the late 19th century. Maybe the Hebraic Jews outlawed Septuagint or maybe they didn't, which is pretty much irrelevant, since the Christian themselves began to replace this low quality text with other manuscripts and translations. Rursus dixit. (^mbork³!) 08:06, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have deleted the entire paragraph: "On the other hand, mainstream Judaism began to reject Hellenistic currents by the 2nd or 3rd century AD, outlawing use of the Septuagint, see also Council of Jamnia." Mainstream Judaism began to reject Hellenistic currents long before the 2nd century AD. Rursus has given good reason for deleting the passage about outlawing the use of the Septuagint. Marshall46 (talk)

Philo article needs work[edit]

Philo of Alexandria needs editors to improve the article. Please check it out and chip in if you can. Discussion is on Philo:Talk - Mnnlaxer (talk) 16:05, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lead para[edit]

I re-wrote this sentence, which is misleading: "Hellenistic Judaism was a movement which existed in the Jewish diaspora that sought to establish a Hebraic-Jewish religious tradition within the European culture and language of Hellenism after the eastern conquests of Alexander the Great." "A movement" and "sought to establish" incorrectly suggest organisation and direction. It existed in Palestine as well as in the Diaspora. Pelarmian (talk) 07:54, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Greek culture[edit]

I replaced "ancient Greek philosophy" with "Greek culture". Hellenistic Judaism was imbued with aspects of Greek culture other than its philosophy: the polis, the Greek language, Greek games, and so on. Pelarmian (talk) 09:08, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That seems like a good change to me. Cynwolfe (talk) 11:34, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The decline of Hellenistic Judaism & 3 Jewish Wars with Rome[edit]

In regards to the decline of Hellenistic Judaism - Three genocidal wars by the Romans against the Jews, and the accompanying anti-Semitic political and religious propaganda, was directly involved with the decline and extinction of Hellenistic Judaism.

Before these wars, 10% of the population of the Roman Empire might have been Jews and Godfearers (non-Jewish followers of the Jewish religion in some form or another), that would have been about 5 million people give or take. After three wars (the First 66-73AD, The Kitos 115-117AD, and The Bar Kokhba 132-135AD) the Jewish population and any support for the Jewish people, their culture and religion, effectively would have extinguished and any survivors would have been dispersed to the fringes of the Empire (like Spain and the German Rhine) or restricted to outside the territories of the Roman Empire. Claims of up to 1 million were killed, and who knows how many were sold into slavery in the first war, I am sure no less were killed and sold into slavery in the following two wars).

As far as Saul giving and easy path to Monotheism, and Hellenistic Jews becoming Christian, Saul of Tarsus and his teachings were effectively rebuked and countered during his life time, as he admits (2 Tim. 1:15), it is clear that these "Superlative Apostles" that were following him around countering his missionary activities, were sent from the Jerusalem authority of the Apostles appointed by Jesus himself (2 Cor. 11:5, Gal. 1:6-9).

It is more likely that like the majority of Jewish Christians of Jerusalem and the Hellenistic Jews were exterminated by a concerted effort by Rome.

Pls. create redirect for "" Hellenized Jews""[edit]

I still don't know how. Thanks. ArmindenArminden (talk) 06:59, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Notable Hellenized Jews[edit]

This section asserts that the Jews enumerated here were Hellenized without explaining in what way they were Hellenized and without citing any sources to such claims. Please provide sources to the statement or provide information to back up the claim. Yashartov (talk) 21:37, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

BC/AD or BCE/CE[edit]

This article has been stable for over 8 years using the BCE/CE notation. I do not support changing this to BC/AD notation for stylistic purposes. The argument that the article was originally written using the BC/AD notation is completely spurious: The article was also originally written much shorter than it is now, as well, yet no-one is suggesting returning this article to a stub. The era styling used was changed in this edit, when the article was less than 3 years old. It has since remained stable for over 8 years. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 13:31, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And considering it's about Jewish and Greek culture significantly before the Christian era, I'm not inclined to force it into BC/AD. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 13:41, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The work of Erwin Ramsdell Goodenough[edit]

It is surprising to find a sbject which one of the greatest contribution to its study is not mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.179.18.242 (talk) 15:44, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]