Talk:Haunani-Kay Trask/Archive 1

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updating age

Her age is not updated.

Jlnira (talk) 23:21, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[[User:jlnira]

Fweet! Calling foul (double dribble)

This biography of a sovereignty advocate may have been the target of subtle attempts to insert POV by contrasting a "crappy" or "boring" positive link with a "snazzy" or "less anodyne" negative one. As well as an unfounded elevation of her position to that of "the" leader / "the" most outspoken and visible leader etc.

Retroactively calling POV on 172.193.143.126's update of 12 January 2005, which inserted into Resources, without making clear the sort of material being linked to,

  • a link to a nondescript, poorly typed (spelling errors) interview with some unidentified Canadian publication
  • followed by a link to a "hatchet job" on Trask on David Horowitz's Front Page Mag website (a well-funded, strategic media resource for distributing opinions of a certain political stripe), with the tag "less anodyne" (= less boring than the above). (I also fixed this link to go to the Printable form as the other form no longer seems to work.)

Likewise calling POV on BKH2007's update of 30 June 2004, which inserted into External links (now Resources), without making clear the sort of material being linked to,

  • a link to a mish-mash of sarcastic commentary, facts about Trask's background, and negative reviews of her books, from sovereignty critic Ken Conklin's website — innocuously tagging it "Brief biography"
  • followed by a link to a very short biographical blurb on Trask amidst other books and authors, simply tagged "Another brief biography"

Am also correcting POV

  • "the leading voice" in image caption
  • "considered the most outspoken and visible"—by whom, exactly?
  • and dropped the (misspelled) reference to Ka Lahui, until someone finds out exactly what the "association" is (Mililani Trask + Ka Lahui = 331 hits on Google, Haunani Kay Trask + Ka Lahui only = 198. So a naïve guess would be that Ka Lahui is more closely associated with her sister.)

--IslandGyrl 23:25, 18 August 2005 (UTC)


Been reading H.K. Trask's From a Native Daughter lately. Ka Lahui is mentioned a bit, and the "Governor" is indeed Mililani Trask. Haunani-Kay is involved as well, though. I find it weird that H.K. neglects to point out that Mililani is her sister anywhere in the book, perhaps done strategically to obscure the charge of nepotistic bias.
As for the claim about her being "the most outspoken and visible"--I'd have to agree with the claim. I know this needs to be clarified/referenced to fit within NPOV, but I can't think of anyone who even comes close to her public prominence in the local community with regard to activism. I could cite some pages of From a Native Daughter if need be, though it is her own book. Not that I'm a fan (I'm not) but I think the claim is accurate. Maunakea 04:44, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


More POV edits. I took out the word "racist" in: "She is an author of several books of racist poetry and nonfiction." If someone wants to cite a critic who calls her work racist, that would work better. Smundy (talk) 20:45, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Removal of Native North American Tag

Native Hawaiians (in Hawaiian, kanaka [oiwi or kanaka māoli) are the Polynesian peoples of the Hawaiian Islands who trace their ancestry back to Marquesan and possibly Tahitian settlers. As such, Ms. Trask would not be considered to be Native North American. --Cafe Irlandais 19:06, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Haunani-Kay's poem

Originally I had just intended to fix a bad edit when I changed the format of Haunani-Kay's poem. But after reading it over I am starting to doubt that this belongs as is in the article. Is it relevant and does it show her perspective on the situation in Hawai'i? Well, I think we can all agree that you don't have to read between the lines to see where she's coming from. I just find it to be a bit over the top to include the whole poem in the article. Maybe just a synopsis with an excerpt would suffice? Cafe Irlandais 00:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Also, I think that the poem should be titled and attributed (is it from a book?). Josephgrossberg 20:31, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
As cited in the article, the poem is from her Light in the Crevice Never Seen. I didn't add it to the article, but I do have the book if it'd be appropriate to cite it further in the references section. As for whether or not it belongs in the article, I could add something about her heavy influence from Postcolonial writer Franz Fanon, who also published non-critical (i.e. non-academic) work to be read in conjunction with his criticial work. As such, I think the poem should be included, with clarification as to its relationship with her academic/activist discourse. Maunakea 04:39, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
As long as the criticism section is reliably sourced in reference to the poem, no problem. It's not, so I removed it. I am familiar with the story about the lecture she gave at UCB (IIRC) and the criticism she received. I'll look for RS on that as well. —Viriditas | Talk 05:03, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Was this article written by Trask herself: moved to talk unsourced claims

I move the following to talk:

She identifies with other activists and leaders, most notably Malcolm X, Franz Fanon and the Kenyan writer Ngugi wa Thiong'o. She also maintains a friendship with Ward Churchill, Angela Davis and Alice Walker.

This is unsourced material.

The first sentence means nothing

The second sentence is almost a name drop, since Trask own academic career may not be able to stand on its own. Inclusionist (talk) 19:48, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Moved more:
Trask has at times been an outspoken and visible leader within the Hawaiian sovereignty movement.
Inclusionist (talk) 19:55, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Google News Archive 186 media articles. Inclusionist (talk) 20:01, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

No "criticism" for this openly-racist bigot?

That's hard to believe, particularly since some of her hateful spew is included on the page.HedgeFundBob (talk) 16:17, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Should this article describe her as a racist? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.195.112.45 (talk) 00:07, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

American? Caucasian ancestors? Big Island?

She should be referred to as an American, not just "Native Hawaiian." She is an American citizen after all. As well, she has Caucasian ancestors and this should be indicated, especially since her opinions of Caucasians are somewhat notorious, in Hawaii, at least. It is mentioned that her sister is a lawyer on "The Big Island." A better name may be The Island of Hawaii or Hawaii Island. "The Big Island" is a colloquial term that not everyone will be familiar with.

Deepcloud (talk) 07:55, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

BLP issues

Hammersbach wanted me to explain why it was a BLP violation to quote a poem by Trask that reads,

racist White Woman I could kick Your face, puncture Both eyes. You deserve this kind Of violence.

I did not say that that material was a BLP violation. I said that it was a possible BLP violation - WP:BLP is complex, and there are numerous cases when it may not be absolutely clear whether something is a BLP violation or not. The main reasons for removing it are that it is not sourced properly and that it is an undue quotation from one poem; see WP:UNDUE. The problematic aspect of it from the point of view of BLP is that it gives undue weight to extremely inflammatory and provocative material. It is reasonable to give readers some idea of the kind of views Trask has expressed, but we do not need all the gory details. To include them (especially when they can be read as direct incitement to physical violence) is contrary to the intent of BLP policy, since it is has the effect of stressing controversial, offensive material that could be handled in a more sober and encyclopedic way. Polisher of Cobwebs (talk) 08:05, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

I had meant to respond to this comment (which I find to be quite flawed) a while ago but to be honest, I just plain forgot about it. I found it again after reverting an edit from an IP address that, I would offer, most casual observers would find to be a touch on the biased side. I had decided to finally to the previous comment only to discover that the above editor is naught but a sock puppet. As such, I will be restoring the edit that the sock deleted. Hammersbach (talk) 02:21, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

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