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I'm not sure if I'm entering this correctly, but - if I'm not mistaken, wasn't there a news item saying some time ago that Michael Moore was signed on as director for the 6th film?

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  • Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (movie) → Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - This doesn't seem consistant with the links 'book' and 'movie' in the harrypotter templates. As there at this time no information about the movie for HBP, I see no reason for this redirect to exist, and should remain empty until there is such data that has some relevance to its movie. takagawa-kun 4 July 2005 22:29 (UTC)
    • Keep: this title is entirely consistent with the other books/films in the series. If it is deleted, someone is bound to recreate it, especially since the movie already has an entry at IMDb. --Phil | Talk July 7, 2005 15:10 (UTC)
    • Delete. I agree with takagawa-kun. --cuiusquemodi 06:57, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
    • Keep but dont have it as a redirect. Just make it something like "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince is a movie, based on the J. K. Rowling novel Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, that has confirmed production, but neither production nor development have begun as the book hasn't even been released yet. It is likely, but not certain, that Harry Potter, Hermione Granger and Ron Weasley will be played by Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson and Rupert Grint." Supersaiyanplough|(talk) 09:39, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
      • Let's see how long it takes for that to land on vfd! Sonic Mew | talk to me 20:52, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
      • I'm sure there was a press release saying that the main 3, at least are only doing up to the 5th film --Skuld‡ insult 21:02, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
    • I agree both with those who say that if we delete it, someone will recreate it, and those who say a redirect's not consistent with the other Harry Potter items. I have therefore created a stub. There's no way it's VfD-fodder - yes, the movie's not in production yet, but given that the book is done, there's less than a snowball's chance in h@%& that the movie's not going to happen. Noel (talk) 22:48, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Unlock this page right now!

Why? Ëvilphoenix Burn! 16:50, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
It's a sequel and I need to put "Category:Sequel films" here!

Introduction

This may sound really trivial, but to be grammatically correct, the sentence "Production has been confirmed, however development has not yet begun as the book has only recently been released." should be "Production has been confirmed; however, development has not yet begun as the book has only recently been released.

Cast

I was told (didn't see the report myself) that they probably won't be using the current actors who play the kids, as they will be too old by the time this is made. Anyone have any data on this? Noel (talk) 21:10, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

This claim has been around in some form from about the time the first film came out. So far there is no sign that anyone is giving up. —Phil | Talk 13:24, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
They won't be too old anyway, at most they will be a year or two older than they are meant to be, and in most movies kids are portrayed by actors much older than they are meant to be anyway.Cyclone49 10:01, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Excuse me... Lord Voldemort never appears in HBP. It's only the young Tom Riddle that we get to see in the book... 221.135.55.5 11:18, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Sorry this is Jam2k... not signed in right now...

Actually, he does, in one of the penseive scenes when he is trying to get the job as DADA teacher. Cyclone49 10:01, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Apocalypse

What apocalyptic imagery? The world doesn't end in Half-Blood Prince. Superm401 | Talk 21:28, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

  • No, but Snape reveals himself to be HBP and the war against Voldemort is going BAADDD!!!!--208.183.105.11 15:08, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
Whoa, whoa, whoa... Firstly, it's Lord Voldemort to you. Secondly, it should be the war against Harry Potter. Better get that straight. --Lord Voldemort (Dark Mark) 20:01, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
That's odd. I don't remember any one making a Lord Voldemort series(I could be wrong). What does that tell us?...oh, maybe who's in the right...or it could be who wins...or both...Superm401 | Talk 21:50, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
Well, Harry probably will win. But he's such a weiner. Who actually likes that character? There is no meat there. Lord Voldemort is such a better character. But I'm resigned to the fact that the good characters will die, and the weak, dumb characters (here's looking at you, Hagrid) will live. But it ought to be a good fight. --Lord Voldemort (Dark Mark) 13:44, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
I'm not so sure about that. I would think the weiner would be the one who couldn't even kill a baby. Superm401 | Talk 16:31, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
I admit, Baby Killing 101 is the one class I failed at Dark Side University. I just could never get the hang of it. For more information check this out... --Lord Voldemort (Dark Mark) 19:38, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Actors

I deleted the actors that were said to be expected for Scrimgeour and Slughorn. with all respect, so far, there aren't even casting decisions for the new characters in OotP known, much less HBP. This is really just speculation and maybe wishful thinking, as is the comment, that this is the first HP movie featuring any Star Wars actors. - Sebastian

Thewlis

Thewlis has not been confirmed. Casting for HBP hasn't even started, we'll still getting on with OoP. Just because the narration of the article mentions that Thewlis has another two HP films doesn't mean he is confirmed. The author probably meant that Lupin has another two films to go, including OoP, but that doesn't mean Thewlis is signed on. I'm going to move him to Expressed Interest in Returning, but as of now, and probably for at least another year, nobody is confirmed for this movie. If my edit needs to be reverted, I would request a response to this message, because there is no confirmation anywhere. --Fbv65edel (discuss | contribs) 15:29, 9 April 2006 (UTC)


Notes

I have added some notes to the Expected/Possible cast. The notes that say "Is not in the book very much" means this character has a chance to be cut. If you delete it that is fine however the news adds a little more explanation. I am working on citations right now to put with the notes. Most of these are from BBC Newsround.ForestH2 00:56, 18 April 2006 (UTC)ForestH2

Changed Expected Cast, added cast, deleted cast

I have changed the Expected cast given them notes, added cast such as Parvati Patil and deleted some cast like someone left Rupert Grint on the Expected list and he had already Expressed Intrest in Returning so I deleted that. I would suggest you do not revert my edits as the notes were important and I got some sources for some.- Forest H2


Locked Page

Why is this page locked from editing? It doesn't seem like it would be a candidate for mass vandalism. 69.138.229.246 21:34, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

69.138.229.246, if you look at the edit history I forget the user but there is some user who is editing carelessly. That why's its mass vandalism.-- Forest H2

Unlock

I would like you to unlock this page, Evilphoniex. Here's an idea-you don't have to do it. Why don't you unprotect/lock this page and just have that user blocked. By an chance do you think the user who is commiting vandalisim doesn't know how to get to his talk page? When I was in this siuation, I didn't respond at first because I wasn't sure how to get to the page.---Forest H2 Agreed --69.138.229.246 00:02, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I get tired of having to deal with vandalism to these pages. The vast majority of vandals are vandalizing from anonymous IP's. Therefore, when a page comes under attack, I'm going to block anons from editing it. I'm sorry if good faith anons are blocked because of it, but I would highly encourage you to sign up for a user account. It's a simple way of contributing to Wikipedia, and once a few days pass you'll be able to edit the page when it's semi-protected. In the meantime, if you have changes you feel need to be made to the article, feel free to post them here and I'll be happy to incorporate them in while the page is protected. Best regards, Ëvilphoenix Burn! 01:05, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

If this page is being attacked by a specific IP, you could just block them, which would be simpler than having this page locked.69.138.229.246

I agree with you, 69,138.229.246. As Evilphoniex as said you might like to sign up for a user accout.ForestH2 14:09, 20 April 2006 (UTC)ForestH2

WP:NOT a crystal ball

This page needs some serious trimming. As it stands, there are a lot of unsourced speculations on who's going to act in the movie, which really need to be removed unless they can be sourced, ideally to news sources. Zetawoof(ζ) 22:46, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Zetawoof, the notes for the Expected cast stay there. Go and check out the BBC Newsround and see how much infromation you can get there.--ForestH2

Looking at the cited references, I see only two-and-a-half out of thirty claims cited. To wit:
  • Padma and Parvati Patil both referenced an interview in which the actors stated "I'm not sure" and "You'll just have to wait and see". In other words, we don't know anything.
  • Rubeus Hagrid referenced an interview in which the actor stated "We don't know yet. It's not negotiated yet." Again, we know nothing.
The rest of the roles in that section have no references listed at all, and the three listed under "Most likely will return" are similar: the only one with a reference - Harry Potter - references an article where the actor states that he would "really love to do" some parts of the movie. Similarly, the actors for Tom Riddle, Ron Weasley, Fleur Delacour, and Remus Lupin state (respectively) "I'd love to do it again", "I think I want to do [the next movie]", "I don't know [...] I'd like to", and something I can't read because the article requires a subscription.

This all doesn't seem particularly encyclopedic. The article should stick to listing roles whose actors are known. Zetawoof(ζ) 21:00, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Know what Zetawoof? I think we could delete the cites but not the notes. These notes are important and Most likely will Return is people who are not just expected or they have not said that they would like to return, it is the actor will most likely appear in the movie and there is a greater chance than Expected.ForestH2 22:12, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Zetawoof, the notes that say "Not in the book very much likely to be cut" is at leat my immagination. I don't know if the other users know some sources to this but I don't. Since I have read the book I know that these are all minor characters and they most likely will be cut. ForestH2

I think regarding a character as minor and likely to be cut is perfectly valid. Though WP:NOT a crystal ball, it certainly can be a judge of producers' tactics, at least in this case. (Okay, that was a corny line, but it's true here.) I think an audience likes to be informed whether there's any word from actors/actresses about their return, so if they've said anything remotely relating to the final two films, it's important. But that's me. --Fbv65edel (discuss | contribs) 23:41, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Thing is, speculation is not this encyclopedia's purpose. Your opinion on which characters "most likely will be cut" is fascinating, but not encyclopedic. Zetawoof(ζ) 23:55, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree with FBV65edel. Although the sources we gave (expect for the one about Daniel Radcliffe) were not the best, we tried and the notes are true. As FBV said it is important wether and actor seems like he wants to return or if he does not want to return to his role. For Afshan Azad, she will most likely be cut however BBC Newsround says Afshan doesn't know. Shefali told everyone who read the interview with BBC to have their fingers crossed she will return. You've got to ask FBV how he got Hagrid's sources. I believe he put htem there.ForestH2 00:14, 20 April 2006 (UTC)ForestH2

I remember reading that about Coltrane knowing Hagrid's fate, so I just googled it and found the right interview. --Fbv65edel (discuss | contribs) 00:48, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Compromise: how about we at least hold off on speculation until the fifth movie is finished? Any number of things could happen before then. So far as I can tell, there really aren't any roles we have any hard-and-fast information on yet, except Remus Lupin (who is, oddly enough, listed in the "Trivia" section, not in the listing of actors). Zetawoof(ζ) 00:31, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, I completely agree with you about the casting thing – nothing's started, we've barely began OoP. But the compromise sounds fine. --Fbv65edel (discuss | contribs) 00:48, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Anyone else? At the very least, I'd like to trim out some of the actors which are only listed here because they appeared with the same role in a previous film. Zetawoof(ζ) 01:26, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Zetawoof, I think we should have the full cast here. Sure. You can delete actors but I would like you to post to the talk page, the actors who you delete before you begin deleting characters. However, I would like you not to remove any notes but you may remove unproper citations. The reasons why I don't want you to remove any notes is because there all true at the momment however they could change in late 2006 or 2007. If you must remove a note please tell me and don't remove any major actors. Do not delete any important actors or notes. Perssonally, I think it's fine the way it is right now.ForestH2 02:00, 20 April 2006 (UTC)ForestH2

"There[sic] all true right now"? No. Right now they're conjecture. The heavy use of "may" and "seems" is particularly indicative. Zetawoof(ζ) 02:40, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you now you say that. Fine. Redword the notes but please do not erase and of them unless posting to this talk page. Most of the notes are true and as I said above I am working on citations. FBV65EDEL, and Foxearth put some of them on there so I don't know where they get there sources from. If you want to redword the ones that say "May be Cut" you could say there is a "Possiblity of (eg.) Dursley's being cut or whatever word fits you. When it says Seems Enthusiastic it means the actor has said that he is not confirmed however he would like to return. And how do you know there not all true? Do you search the internet in search of citations?ForestH2 02:57, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't know that they're all false. However, what we don't know is whether they're true. If you take a look down below the edit box, here, you'll note that one requirement of content here is that it be verifiable. Speculations are, by definition, not verifiable. Zetawoof(ζ) 03:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

You'll have to ask Foxearth who also edited this as you look from the edit history and FBV but I know all of things I have put in are true. For Draco Malfoy as Tom Felton if you might know, a while ago he was listed under confirmed so I don't know think he should just be listed under the Expected Cast. Daniel Radcliffe was confirmed before so he doesn't go into the Expected Cast. Emma Watson, however has not confirmed before but she most likely would do not drop out of HBP. As I have said before I added, Parvati, Padma, and the "Most likely to be Cut" notes. The, most likely to be cut notes are not true but you could guess from reading the book that they might be cut as they are not really important. I read two months ago that Shefali was giving the audience to have there fingers crossed she would remain in the series.ForestH2 14:08, 20 April 2006 (UTC)ForestH2

Oh gosh, I wasn't expecting that much trimming down! I think I'm going to make a page (as I have been doing in the past!) called Differences between book and film versions of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince to include all the minor information that we cut down here. As you can see here, I created this page to remove all the information we were adding to OoP movie page, that cluttered it up. Hope that's okay to put all the deleted info there and keep this page clean and verifiable. And I don't see any problems with the sources, Forest… Everything with a source was kept, I believe. --Fbv65edel (discuss | contribs) 23:59, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Yup. I left everything in that cited some sort of source, even if the source said very little. Zetawoof(ζ) 00:51, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I think that before Zetawoof, made reverts I think that that's how the Differences page should look but you decide as I think you should make itForestH2 00:02, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't we add Tom Felton as Draco Malfoy and Emma Watson as Hermione Granger? I was just thinking that we would....you know trim down little info. ForestH2 00:05, 21 April 2006 (UTC)ForestH2

We should list all the major actors...ForestH2 00:07, 21 April 2006 (UTC)ForestH2

Forest, since Emma has not expressed interest and we haven't yet found the source for Tom Felton's interest, we can't add them. But you can go check out the new page I made, Differences between book and film versions of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. I have homework to do now but later I will add in all the characters from the Lexicon, in order of appearance. --Fbv65edel (discuss | contribs) 00:11, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

But on this page we should at least put in important characters....You know below Zetawoof's trimming.ForestH2 00:18, 21 April 2006 (UTC)ForestH2

Coulson never says "Who Knows"--ForestH2

Once there's information available beyond what's written in the book, that information can be added. Until then, though, there's no point in listing characters that we have no information on. Zetawoof

O.K but do we need the "Who Knows" part. Coulson never said that.--ForestH2

Sure he did. It's right at the end of the referenced interview:
"When a friend rang to tell me to read the sixth book because [Tom Riddle] was in it again it was exciting - but who knows," he added.
Zetawoof(ζ) 01:05, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, if you were unhappy I reverted your edits but it was red meaning there was no page on it.ForestH2 01:46, 21 April 2006 (UTC)ForestH2

My bad. I should have checked that one before committing it. Fixed now. Zetawoof(ζ) 02:08, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Differences between Book and Film Versions

Should we put the new cast under the unconfirmed cast?ForestH2 00:44, 21 April 2006 (UTC)ForestH2

Forest, don't quite understand the question but you should take it to Talk:Differences between book and film versions of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. --Fbv65edel (discuss | contribs) 01:59, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

What is the point of having an article like that so early on? The film hasn't even begun Pre-production yet and everyone's already speculating. Why you cant just keep the page as it was originally, with the expected/possible cast (without notes mind, as it clutters up the page), and those who have specific comments towards a return (Interested in Return), I think you've jumped the gun too soon, and the page is a shambles, you should have left it alone until real solid concrete evidence appears. Foxearth 21 April 2006 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.139.117.200 (talk • contribs)

Foxearth, your idea is best. Why don't we put the Expected list back on here along with Expressed Interest in Returning? I mean I think the audience would want to see the characters who might play their rolls again. Let me know what you think.ForestH2 22:10, 21 April 2006 (UTC)ForestH2

Matthew Lewis

Matthew Lewis has said that if he has a chance he will most likely be in it. Source: [1] He is not sure at the momment however I think we should keep this on the page. ForestH2 00:38, 24 April 2006 (UTC)ForestH2

As I read it, the question was about whether he'd stay with acting, not whether he'd stay with this particular series. Zetawoof(ζ) 01:28, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
I read it the same way but I suppose there's room for ambiguity… Sigh. --Fbv65edel (discuss | contribs) 02:07, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

True, however when he said there were two more films to ago I sort of thought that this may have meant he wasn't sure. I sort of agree with you now I reread it.--ForestH2

Foxearth's recent edits

Hmm, seems as if Foxearth has added in the information originally set to take out by Zetawoof. I have to say, I sort of think it's informative, as long as "Expected" is taken out and some better word is put in. For example, saying that the following characters appear in the book and, should they reprise their roles, would fill these ones, is informative. It is not saying in any way that these actors are confirmed to come back for this film, it is simply saying that the characters should come back if the roles are not recast. --Fbv65edel (discuss | contribs) 20:00, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Well I thought the page looked a shambles before, so I decided that that content, whilst not completley verified, is there for a means of foundations.. Foxearth Talk! 10:32, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Change "expected" to "possible reprisals"? That neatly sidesteps the issue of speculation. Zetawoof(ζ) 03:54, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. I do this information is informative, if not encyclopedic. --Fbv65edel (discuss | contribs) 01:55, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Gilliam

IMDb is reporting that Terry Gilliam will be direct this film, but we're not going by IMDb as an accurate source anymore since they don't cite anything. Still, it's a rumor which should be reported, as we've decided on this matter. What do we say? --Fbv65edel (discuss | contribs) 00:33, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Add it, Terry Gilliam (rumored) Leaky is reporting it now. ForestH2

IMDB has now removed this info and Mugglenet has a link [2] in which Terry Gilliam says he'll never direct a HP movie. I've therefore deleted this info here too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lost4eva (talk • contribs)

That's good. Looks like you made a bunch of edits. Thanks. ForestH2

Thanks, Lost4eva. --Fbv65edel (discuss | contribs) 01:10, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Heyman

I would think that David Heyman is producing Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince (film) however is there any source saying it yet? ForestH2

I'd guess from his confirming Steve Kloves' return that he is producing it, but no official word yet. --Fbv65edel (discuss | contribs) 18:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Hermione written out?

Does anyone have ANY reason why this is stated in the article (that she could be written out)? To me it just seems ridiculous to think that. I think she should be moved to preliminary. - RedHot 22:34, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

At it stands this page doesn't really do a good job with all actors. A lot of the possible repisals should be under "May be Cut" Zetawoof needed to his serious trimming which was quite unneeded.....Fixed what you wanted. ForestH2

I amended the first line of the section to read that the characters may not be written in, or that the actors may not return. I also said that the list only denotes the actors have not publicly expressed interest or talked about their role. I agree it shouldn't suggest Hermione will not return, but you can't say that Emma Watson has "Expressed interest in returning" when she hasn't. Period. I think it looks good now. --Fbv65edel (discuss | contribs) 03:28, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Big Edits

Since tommorow is mother's day I'll be out doing stuff, however when I come back on Monday or late Sunday night I am going to do some very big edits with this page as the page right now doesn't look very good. I plan indeed to change the Expressed Interest in Returning category to another name and do a thing with the Possible Repisals. It's different from what I did last time where I added notes, because this page should really say some status for the Possible Repisals cast. Some of the trimming by Zetawoof was needed, some was not and for the most part most was not. ForestH2

Later on today I plan to remove or most of Zetawoof's trimming by catgorizing some of actors and actresses on status. I've changed the section header names as I thought they were awful before. ForestH2

The categories I hope to put actresses and actors on are "Characters needing a recast", "Characters who play a small role in the book" Zetawoof seemed to believe that there should be no notes at all. It was very annoying. ForestH2

Forest, beware of WP:NPA. Zetawoof had all the right to think the page crowded and speculative. I would caution you to use the word "characters needing a recast" because it suggests POV on the part of you – who said they needed a recast? Certainly not David Heyman or any casting director. You say that they need a recast. That's not encyclopedic. A note saying their previous appearance was cameo is acceptable, as well as saying saying that they have a small role in the book, but juding for the producers isn't what we need. I hope you take this into mind when you edit this page. Just a friendly word of advice. --Fbv65edel (discuss | contribs) 00:23, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

What's with your new font? I think I did a little bit to soon however I am going to readd some notes that are useful to this article. All though those characters most likely need a recast...ForestH2

I just changed the color of the e in my name since I joined Wikipedia:Esperanza. I don't see why "Possible Reprisals" has to go. It's pithy and not wordy. I think the opening paragraph that indicates this is for cast who have not made public announcements, but have appeared in the role at least once is good enough; it is not necessary in the section header. I really don't think anything could get much better than "Possible Reprisals," but if you have something better than that, let's hear. "Cast who have not given Public Announcments" [sic] isn't great. --Fbv65edel (discuss | contribs) 00:43, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
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