Talk:HMS Ruby (1652)

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Wouldn't 40 guns place her in the Fifth rate frigate category? TaintedMustard (talk) 22:59, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, only by later standards. The first frigates built for the navy between the mid and late 1640s carried between 32 and 38 guns and were classified as fourth rates. The frigates constructed from the early 1650s were divided into two rough groups, third rates that carried between 48 and 52 guns, and fourth rates that carried between 38 and 46 guns. Most of the fourth rates were around 40 and 44 guns. Only in the later part of the seventeenth century does the rating system come to resemble that of the later period of naval warfare. Benea (talk) 03:29, 1 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ah. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Perhaps that should be part of the Fourth-rate article? The wording in this article is confusing, initially using "Fourth rate" as a classification of frigate and then as a term for a ship of the line, without explaining the change in terminology in between. TaintedMustard (talk) 08:35, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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