Talk:Gregory House/Archive 1

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Archive 1

Athiest

David Shore confirms House is to be seen as an athiest here: http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/2006/12/15/01 (an article of New Athiests Magazine). Adding it to the trivia section.

I kind of thought so even though I'm very much not atheist myself. Still his whole outlook seems atheist and his statements about God were generally mocking. (Although he seems much ruder and unhappy than most atheists I've known)--T. Anthony 09:48, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Confirms he is seen to be an athiest. I don't know if he should be categorised as a "fictional athiest" especially when he is also a "fictional agnostic" (I think a safer bet). cyclosarin 06:12, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Currently, Gregory House is in to categories, agnostic and atheist. -69.67.231.110 04:25, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

start

Under character relationships, the section that is meant to explain House's relationship with Stacy Warner is more of an explanation of how he became disabled. Stacy is mentioned two or three times under her own section. Wheres the justice?? Rouge 20:07, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it would be proper to say Cuddy crippled House. Actually, his infarction was diagnosed too late, and his leg had to go, or the infected muscle did.

I've modified his educational background to account for the Johns Hopkins reference in the most recent Episode, "Need to Know," but I suspect that the producers are simply being a bit loose with the "facts." Cuddy clearly stated in the second-season episode "Humpty Dumpty" that House was at the University of Michigan while she was an undergraduate; it is possible that he was doing a fellowship there, but given the characters' ages and the implication of her remark, it would seem that he attended medical school there. If this is presumed correct, then it may well be that House attended Hopkins for undergraduate study; there are, however, two problems with this. Firstly, Foreman would be unlikely to refer to a relatively-less-important undergraduate association with a school. Secondly, and more problematically, Foreman makes the remark in a derisive manner, denigrating Hopkins DESPITE the fact that he has been established to have attended the school as both an undergraduate and graduate. Most likely, the writers simply got sloppy and forgot who was supposed to have gone where.

> Perhaps he attented UofM after his expulsion from Hopkins? That would explain Foreman's remark, as House spent the majority of his time there, but also Cuddy's.

Did anyone make anything of the end of the first episode in season one, where House is watching the Lacorsse game? From that, and how involved he got in it, I wondered if he maybe played Varsity lacorsse?

(Re: lacrosse) My roommates and I discussed it after that episode, and one of them (a lacrosse player) was convinced that that was the intent (something about the motions he was making, or something.)

Another thing about the lacrosse scene - it's been awhile since I've seen the episode, but I recall thinking at the time that he might have just not left the spot where he was standing during the game. Were there visual clues I missed? Either one would be a pretty typical thing for House. --StraylightUnity 06:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

anyone notice that a lot of vicodin pills have Watson pressed into the tablets

About the new Foreman section

In reference to the newly added Foreman section (thanks for that, by the way, it's very thorough), I just want to say I don't think it's appropriate to have the phrase "House's biggest adversary among his team" to describe Foreman, considering that House doesn't really have any other adversary in his team. We could also say that Foreman is his smallest, as well. Also, I feel that "taunts" may be too strong a word to describe the discussion Chase and Foreman had in Failure to Communicate. It implies a mean-spiritedness that I really don't think was there.

Laurie's American accent source controversy

In the debates brought up everyone says that, unless someone finds a source claiming that Hugh has a very good grasp on the American accent, it should not be put into the article or else it'd be POV.

Unfortunately, nobody bothers to see that it must be a RELIABLE source. I don't know if there are any departments that study accents, and if there are, they don't have the time to report on a fake accent of a character on a TV show.

Unless some kind of linguistical department does a study on Hugh's American accent (extremely unlikely), there are no verifiable and reliable sources to say that he portrays the accent well.

Think about it. If someone says on a fan-site, or even on the Fox main page, that House has a great American accent, that is POV. Their point of view isn't worth any more than the common Wikipedia editor's.

There's two options at this point. Either leave the fact that he portrays the American accent well and stop discussing it (it's POV, but it's a view that most people agree upon), or just take it out and be done with it.

Everything before this sentence was written by Iwhaiwnfi. Sorry it's so long, but it has to be said. Iwhaiwnfi 01:15, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

You know, while I'm not claiming this covers this issue completely, there is something of "the sky is blue" aspect to this. Speaking as an American English speaker who has seen other British actors try (and fail) to capture my native speech, I can say that Laurie is definitely in the top small percentile here (Tracy Ullman is another in this small club.) There just aren't that many Brits who can master American (and vice versa, I'm sure), so yes, it does deserve mention, and doesn't require extensive documentation. +ILike2BeAnonymous 06:11, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't have to be linguists. A newspaper's TV critic commenting on his accent would be sufficient citation. Sockatume 01:19, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

http://www.bash.org/?757724 82.44.185.5 10:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

"Everybody Lies" paradox?

This seems extremely false, yet it's reported everywhere. By House saying "I was lying when I said [everybody lies]", he could mean that almost everyone lies. He doesn't necessarially say "Nobody Lies" by saing he lied about everyone lying. It just doesn't seem factual, and it appears to be taken out of proportion. 64.135.205.238 22:59, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

You're right. I never noticed, but there is no paradox there. --Galaxiaad 23:37, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll wait until I get more feedback from this, but if it's removed from the House articles, be sure to remove it from the liar paradox article. 64.135.205.238 23:04, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

If everybody lies, by definition that means he himself was lying when he said "he was lying when i said [everybody lies]" Therefore, everybody lies... or something

Episode titles screwy?

I ask this because when I just now checked the episode I was making edits on (season 2, episode 12, aired February 14, 2006) on IMDB, I found that the title of the episode there had been changed. Originally it was "Happiness" (I know this because that's where I got the title when I originally inserted material about that episode here); now they tell us that the title is "Distractions". Do TV show producers get to change episode titles retrospectively? Or did IMDB fuck up? --ILike2BeAnonymous 05:44, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

--i've found that IMDB's data on T.V. shows isn't nearly as comprehensive as those for their movies; there have been several times where they have been flat out wrong. While i'm not sure about the specific episode you're talking about, i bet someone has a the season dvd, and has probably changed the title to what is stated on the dvd. Y.krzepicki 00:55, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Medical accuracy?

Can someone comment on how much effort has been put into the show to make it medically as correct as possible? I know that some hospital series' have had actual medical doctors revising the scripts and on the set, etc.

The season one dvd special features state that there are indeed actual medical doctors involved in the process, though I can't remember the extent of that.

Racism?

RE: ILike2BeAnonymous Revert: where do you get "racist"? (Possible, but improbable.))
He has made numerous off color remarks about multiple races. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.32.62.68 (talk • contribs)

That's true, although I think you're probably referring to the more or less constant ribbing he gives Foreman. That really doesn't constitute racism, even if some of the comments are "off-color". In other words, there's no evidence in the show that I can see that House harbors racist attitudes towards any individual or group of people. (He does like to give those he perceives as being liars a ton of shit, though.) ==ILike2BeAnonymous 00:48, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree. He has made comments about Foreman, "They call it the white board", for example. However that seems to be the limit of his "racist" comments. Typer525 ^Contact 00:43, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

The comments he makes towards Foreman seem to just be intended to irritate him, not because of any actual ill will towards other races. House seems to dislike everybody equally, regardless of race, though it can be misinterpreted as racism such as when House told a patient he was giving him the "white medicine" because the guy was an idiot and was convinced he wasn't getting the real medicine, and Foreman went ballistic over it.

I remember in one episode there was a conversation that went something like

Foreman - "You've been riding me really hard lately." House - "I have?" Foreman - "Yeah." House - "Well it's not the race thing, because you were just as black last week."

As well as the above mentioned episode (which is Histories), the epsiode [[Humpty Dumpty (House episode)|Humpty Dumpty] has a subplot that focuses on this between Foreman, House, and a black patient in the clinic. House and Foreman go back and forth on this near the end of the episode, but House does say at one point sarcastically "Right, I'm a racist" (obviously showing he doesn't take himself to be one), and then continuing on about how what he did will allow the man to live on a long life. Callandor 17:31, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

House is an atheist?

House is in the category of fictional atheists. I've seen most episodes of the show, and I don't remember that. I could be wrong though, and if that is the case, and he is an atheist, it probably should be noted in the main article, instead of just the category listing.

I'll take it out until someone comes up with a reference or something. ==ILike2BeAnonymous 03:51, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

It was stated in Three Stories, and in any case, I think tonight's eppy made things pretty clear. Re-adding. MBlume 05:30, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Fine, make me re-watch Three Stories why don't you? *grumbles* ;)

K, if House v. God didn't convince you, this probably won't either, not a big deal for me, next person who isn't one of us can deal with it.

Wilson: [standing in the back] Do you think he was dead? Do you think those experiences were real?

House: Define real. They were real experiences. What they meant… Personally, I choose to believe that the white light people sometimes see - visions this patient saw - they’re all just chemical reactions that take place when the brain shuts down.

Foreman: You *choose* to believe that?

House: There’s no conclusive science. My choice has no practical relevance to my life, I choose the outcome I find more comforting.

Cameron: You find it more comforting to believe that this is it?

House: I find it more comforting to believe that this isn’t simply a test.

MBlume 07:10, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, first of all, my deepest apologies for making you watch that episode again. I'm sure it was excrutiatingly painful.

This confirms, to me anyhow, even more that what we have here is a case of a card-carrying agnostic. Subtle difference between that and an atheist. House doesn't so much declare disbelief as simply eschew belief, and only then when pushed. So no, I don't think he really qualifies as an atheist. (By the way, I must have missed that episode.) ==ILike2BeAnonymous 07:25, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Lol, in that case forget the atheist argument and go watch Three Stories already =) MBlume 07:33, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

He makes an active choice to behave as if there is no God. That makes him an active atheist. It is the exact reasoning I use personally, and I consider myself an atheist. Dagonz 22:35, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Acting like an athiest and saying you are one are completely different. The only one that has literally been stated to be so was Cameron, and that was by House. Just becuase he acts a certain way, or responds a certain way, doesn't necessarily mean that it's true. Remember, he responds in ways that aren't convention and he doesn't care about people's feelings. Also, the "Three Stories" episode doesn't mean that he's a athiest or an agnostic. You can believe in God and not believe everything that is in the Bible. He simply stated that he chooses not to believe certain aspects of Christianity. Bignole 21:41, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Please sign up if you want to look like a Wikipedia user...though I am amused by your sig...very convincing....Anyway, there is reasonable doubt that House belives in God....or another religon for that matter. All he does is that he disagrees with several diffrent parts of Christianity.--Typer525 ^Talk Click here at your own risk 22:48, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Right, so what would be necessary for you to think he is an atheist? If he said he was one? Or would you say "Oh, that proves nothing"? He has atheist opinions. He's an atheist. It's not a bad word. You can use it.

Someone has to acknowledge that he is. If someone is talking about religion and House sarcastically replies that he's atheist, then it doesn't really mean that he is. But, say in the episode in Season 1 where he was treating a nurse, had he, during his conversation with the nun in the Chapel, said that he was an atheist, then that would have to be taken seriously. The problem is that you are looking at the sheer dialogue and missing how he is saying it. Almost everytime he is being sarcastic; not admiting to be of any religion. Bignole 15:02, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

True, so it's not confirmed--Piemanmoo 21:46, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I think the only serious thing that can be said about House's religious views is that he doesn't believe in an afterlife -- see "Three Stories." Which doesn't neccessarily mean he doesn't believe in God.

I'd say he's an agnostic atheist. In Three Stories he states that there is no conclusive science on the afterlife (declaring he's agnostic) but that he chooses to believe there's no such thing (which is atheistic). Sockatume 22:21, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

- Well the latest episode revieled he doesn't beleive in evolution (along with global warming and the lochness monster)
  - And it is different from his normal wisecracks in what way? (Actor is sceptic, by the way) - Skysmith 15:48, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
  - I know I'm late here, but in TB or not TB (S02E04), he mentions how evolution conflicts with altruism to show how Dr. Sebastian isn't really altruistic. --Spug 00:34, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

To borrow from the ideas in Richard Dawkins's The God Delusion spectrum analysis of the Range of Beliefs (pg 50), it goes somthing like this: 1. 100% probibility/belief of god, 'I do not believe in god, I KNOW there is a god.' Theist.
2. Slightly less than 100%, 'I cannot know for certain, but I strongly believe in god and I live my life on the assumption that he is there.' De facto theist
3. Higher than 50%, 'I am very uncertain but I am inclined to believe in god.' Technically Agnostic.
4. Exactly 50% complete agnostic, 'God's existence and non-existence are exactly equiprobible.'
5. Lower than 50%, 'I don't know weather God exists but I'm inclined to be sceptical.' Technically Agnostic.
6. Low but Short of 0%, 'I cannot know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there.' De facto Atheist
7. 0% Probibility of God, 'I know there is no god with the same conviction as thoes who KNOW he is there.' Strong Atheist

House seems to fit into catagory 6 of this spectrum. It would be wrong to simply assume that House Believes in god until proven otherwise, in the same way as it would be wrong to assume House is an Athiest until he proved himself religious. If he was in catagory 2 his belief would not be in question. With the given evidence presented to us, it is more than reasonable to assume that he is an Agnostic Athiest ie, an Athiest who acts under the assumption that god is not there but cannot ultimatly disprove his existance. The same would be held true for people who act and believe as if god were there but ultimatly cannot prove his existance, they are still considered belivers and House, by what we know, should be considered an Atheist, even thought he does not flat-out state it. TheSittingDuck 06:39, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

In the newest episode Whac-A-Mole, someone talks to House about why he isn't discussing as much about the patient and focusing mostly on just the medicine. House replies (paraphrased): "He's teaching the kids that truth matters, that there is no God, and the life sucks. I like him." Agnostic atheist might be technically correct, but being practical, House is an atheist. Callandor 17:26, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with you. I was only pointing that most (if not all) Atheists are Agnostic, in so far as they do not claim they can ultimatly disprove gods existance, but that does not diminish the fact that they are Atheists. You would be hard pressed to find an Atheist who is in catagory 7 because to say they "Know" without reason contradicts the ideas that lead most people to become Atheist in the first place. So, yes by that logic he should be considered an Atheist. TheSittingDuck 01:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

- Well, then yes I can see this being fine. Especially given House's reliance on logic and common ability to make firm distinctions, I'd say that he'd probably consider himself agnostic atheist, but in everyday usage be an Atheist. So, sweetness. :) Callandor 20:00, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Languages

Has anyone compiled a list of foreign languages House knows? I have the following so far:

Spanish
Mandarin Chinese
Anything else, I know there are more?

Add to the list will you? Thanks. --Typer525 ^Contact 00:48, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

House was shown reading a text from India, which was in a foreign langauge. However, as he was using a dictionary, I doubt that counts.--Badawi Badr

I disagree -- that just means he didn't know all of the words. He has to know it to some extent for a dictionary to be of any use. --Bertieismyho 04:03, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

It's most likely Hindi (I believe that's the most commonly-spoken language in India that uses the devanāgarī script), but I suppose we can't assume. Anybody know if that's a real medical journal, and if so, which one it is? --Cyningaenglisc 22:40, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I doubt it is a real journal- wasn't it one that one of the characters wrote in the show? And it was Hindi, yes. MJPerry 10:23, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

He does drop random words and sentences in Portuguese. Diana Prallon 04:44, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I think that the whole conversation about House's attributes of "misanthropy", "racism" and "atheism/agnosticism" are somehow pointless. As I regard it, House has very complex and non-dogmatic morals formed through rational progress and cynicism (emotional motives reflect only in his attitude). I think it would inaccurate to apply his persona social or ideological labels or a simplistic psychological profile (referring to him as an "egoist" or "non-sympathetic"). Some ideological or religious tendencies that he might have shown, through expressing personal opinion (very often sarcastically), are products of what it seems to be spontaneous criticism over other people’s opinion (resulting to either partial confirmation or disagreement with that).

Alcohol & Hallucinogenic Mushrooms

In the episode "All In," Dr. House says that he doesn't drink alcohol. In the following episode ("Sleeping Dogs Lie"), however, he jokingly alludes that he has a personal "love" for hallucinogenic mushrooms.

This statement is not trivia. Trivia has a basis of fact. There is no factual proof that House was telling the truth while saying that he does not drink. Besides, House was drinking alcohol in the episode "The Socratic Method" (#6 in Season 1). The part about the mushrooms is just off the wall. Typer525 ^Contact 20:17, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

You know, this is just more evidence, as if anyone needed it, that Wikipedia is completely full of shit. (Yes, I meant every word of that statement.) But, OK, let's argue the merits of this: what that person put in the "Trivia" section is true. The assertion was not that House does not drink, but that (now pay attention closely, and get the distinction) House said he doesn't drink. See the difference? That fact is indisputable, as is his joking allusion to 'shrooms (again, the assertion was not that House does psychedelics, although that seems to have happened in at least one episode I've seen).

My god, we're talking about a fucking TV show here. Get a grip, people. ==ILike2BeAnonymous 23:40, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I would act as if you did that you use profanity so freely...Ok...True, the statement is true, but would someone reading the trivia section view it as trivia? When I first saw it, my reaction was, "What the **** (I prefer not to use that particular word on a public website)" The statement is so random, off the wall, and unexpected that it would be considered more like...well it is so absurd, that I can't find a name for this class of statements. Anyway...I feel that it is not really trivia (ask someone to look at the statement from a neutral standpoint).

Hey what do you know? We are debating over a TV show...Well I have nothing better to do... --Typer525 ^Contact 01:04, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Look—this whole thing is trivia. Of such vanishingly small importance that the instrument has yet to be invented that can measure it ... ==ILike2BeAnonymous 01:19, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I am going to wait until someone (third party) comes to take look at this. Qualifications:

Must be registered, registered before April 15, 2006 and not a sock puppet.
Have some knowledge of the show and not be some random guy.
Have no contact with either of us (therefore third party).

I will abide by the third party's judgement. --Typer525 ^Contact 01:35, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

The shrooms comment was probably sarcastic. Just like him saying that he'd grab Cameron's ass and Chase's ass. Some people just take it too seriously.

Yes, the mushrooms seems to have been just a random statement by House for his usual shock/joke effect (and it works). Regarding alcohol, we've seen that House has drank before. As mentioned before in "The Socratic Method," but we also see that he drinks in the episode "Honeymoon." From this site for transcripts: http://www.twiztv.com/scripts/house/

"House: Well, don’t everybody talk at once. [He pops a couple of Vicodin.]

Cameron: There’s nothing there. [House follows Cameron’s eyes to what she’s really looking at: a ¾ empty bottle of whisky.]

House: Stop looking at the suspiciously empty bottle and look at the screen."

So, House may have just been saying his statement to the patient's mother in order to soothe her. Or it could just be that House was meaning that he doesn't drink to get drunk, like Cuddy was that night in "All In". At the bare minimum, it's not like House was making a statement along the lines that he's a Mormon, and would never drink alcohol. Callandor 17:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Hasn't House alluded to cocaine use before? And he has done LSD. It's not unlikely he experimented with shrooms, if only for medical experimentation reasons. MJPerry 10:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, House drinks shots of whiskey in Episode 201. MJPerry 11:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Anti Social Personality Disorder

Does that actually warrant such a long section? I find it loosely based on his personality. Besides there is no actual proof that he actually has APD. House could be just antiscoial. Besides if he has such a disorder, it must be after the infraction (seeing that he had a girlfriend before that incident) Typer525 ^Contact 20:02, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Section removed Typer525 ^Contact 23:19, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

It was revealed in a magazine he had it. (By the producers of the show). Weather or not people choose to believe me, I do not care, but as a reference for future "treasure seekers" (of the magazine), at the very least, leave this comment up.

Cameron

Is there any reason the entire House/Cameron storyline's under the Vogler heading? It's dealt with in too much detail (in the article I mean) to be considered a footnote to the other plot MBlume 05:41, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Maybe you should fix it. ==ILike2BeAnonymous 06:17, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough =D MBlume 07:03, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

That works out great, and follows my Wikipedia policy: "I'm lazy/you be bold". ==ILike2BeAnonymous 18:14, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

House-isms

Okay, if every-other article that has a quote from a person on it have it under "Quotes," why do we then have the quotes from Dr. House under "House-isms"

(I also thought we decided that they belonged on Wikiquote).Diabolos 19:49, 28 April 2006 (UTC)Diabolos

Well, we like things different here. I don't think any laboratory animals or other small helpless creatures will be harmed by our alternate heading. (Speaking for at least part of the congregation.) ==ILike2BeAnonymous 21:04, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Eh, good point. Besides, Fox makes a point of it on the DVD for christsakes. It definately isn't hurting any laboratory animals, helpless creatures, or vegans who belong to PETA (I only have respect for vegans who do it for health) == Diabolos

By the way, I just thought of a good reason why these quotes should not go on Wikiquote: they're not quotes from a real person. They're lines written by Hollywood TV writers. Unless you believe in some kind of idiotic equivalence between the utterances of actual sentient beings and TV characters (which I'm afraid is true for this whole sorry-ass, soon to be failed experiment of a so-called "encyclopedia", where every bit of information is deemed as valuable as any other). ==ILike2BeAnonymous 06:48, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

They happen to have a whole catagory for TV Shows. However, most of the quotes from the TV shows are rather lame. If you ditch TV shows, you would have to ditch the Movies page and the Books Page. Because all of those quotes are from fictitious characters. ==Diabolos

They aren't things said by a real person? That's amazing; the computer synth on that show is far beyond anything I've heard before. Why they'd dub over real actors is beyond me, though. Or are you implying that Hollywood TV writers and actors aren't real people? It's not like most speeches aren't written down first, and often not by the person who will give them.--Prosfilaes 23:58, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Synonymic/homophonic

A guide to those perplexed by my recent edit:

Holmes→homes = homophone
Home[s]→House = synonym.

==ILike2BeAnonymous 22:47, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

This is more than a little misleading, and therefore needs to be removed. Sherlock Holmes and Gregory House are in no way synonymous, and saying that they are because of the clever little wordplay above is just confusing, especially to anyone who knows anything about Sherlock Holmes. There is also no connection between the names Wilson and Watson, apart from being homophonic. Accuracy is supposed to lead here, not cleverness. Ladyeternal 21:16, 29 April 2006(UTC)

You're being overly pendantic here: surely you agree that "house" and "home" are synonyms, no? So you can see this as just another little conceit of the writers, kind of like hiding an Easter egg in the show. ==ILike2BeAnonymous 01:36, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I highly suggest you people looking at the misanthropy article. I have just read a bit of Sherlock Holmes and I do find some slight connection. And yes, according to my thesauraus "house" and "Home" are synonyms. ==Diabolos

Just took a quick peek at the article; not sure what you want us to take away from it. What was your point? ==ILike2BeAnonymous 04:10, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I have never said that there is no similarity between the characters. But if you will examine the similar debate which took place on the discussion page for the main article, you will see that this issue was already discussed ad nauseum. This particular aspect of the similarity is subjective at best. Overly pedantic or not, others have already made the case for me. Ladyeternal 23:15, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Moriarty

I added a little gag about Jack Moriarty being the fellow who shoots House in the season finale and pointing out that this is also a Holmes-inspired naming, yet someone removed that. Why? It's not that I'm pissed off, I just don't know why that was needed.

The finale is not out??? So we have no way to verify the truth of the statement (unless you work for FOX and send me a script of the episode...:P) --Typer525 ^Contact 13:24, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, well, that's true, that's why in the first version I mentioned the source. But that was removed as well.

~~Check the link, it did not say anything about House MD on that site; just NCIS, Alias, Lost, etc. --Typer525 ^Contact 14:29, 29 April 2006 (UTC)~~

Never mind, I see the source. But is the source reliable? Just wondering...Did they have a good track record on accuracy? Typer525 ^Contact 14:29, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Can we delete this from the talk page for the unspoiled? MBlume 23:38, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I'd say the source is reliable, but never mind that, I understand why You removed it.

Thank you Typer (and please, no spoilers!)

Thank you Typer for keeping Season 2 spoilers out of the article, and please, everyone else, stop trying to put them in. I haven't the foggiest idea how season 2 ends, and I don't want to. MBlume 23:30, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Trivia

There seems to be an argument about whether House's favorite number is worthy noting, seeing as it is also the number for the ultimate answer in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. With House's eccentric nature, and his preference to always have a smart response for everyone, it seems that his favorite number being 42 it not just a mere coincedence. The books were around for quite some time, and seeing that House is fluent in many subject areas outside of medicine, it can be safe to assume that he has read the books and that his basis for 42 is just not that he pulled it out of thin air. Also, with the writers constently making references to other media (Sherlock Holmes, Laurie's previous acting credits) it isn't a far leap to assume that they are doing the same with Hitchhiker's Guide. Bignole 22:15, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Just to reply to what you left on my "talk" page (why, if everyone calls them "talk" pages, does the tab actually say "discussion"?):

Who are you to decide what is notable and what isn't? You said it yourself, you don't see why fictional characters get their own page, so you obviously don't even have a stake to this page or show. If there is a correlation between his favorite number and that also being the "ultimate answer" in HGTTG then it's worth noting.

Why is that worth noting? Because you're a fan of that show?

Well, Bignole, you're the one who appears to be a HGTTG evangelist and is all hot to get some reference to it on this page. I basically couldn't care less; what I'm interested in is keeping irrelevant clutter (I won't use the word "cruft", as that has become another of those loathsome Wiki-in-words here) from pages. And who am I to decide? Just another editor with a brain, that's all. ==ILike2BeAnonymous 22:28, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

To answer your first question about the "talk" page or "discussion"...yes the tab says discussion but if you were to actually look at the page it also says "talk:House"...here let me help.

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It's worth noting because it is an obvious reference to another subject. When he mentions that he is a Blackadder fan, that is worth mentioning because he had a role in that very show. This is worth mentioning because he says his favorite number is 42, and that is what HGTTG says is the ultimate answer. It's hardly clutter. Now, if someone where to just say "House's favorite number is 'so and so'" with no real connection to anything other than it being his favorite number than that would be considered clutter. But the fact that he says 42, and with such reverance that it's obviously pointing to HGTTG it's worth noting. OMG, there's 2 lines of space that mention a correlation between to works of art, wikipedia is going to end. If every editor with a brain went around deleting things they considered "clutter", disregarding any point of correlation, association, or mentionable fact then wikipedia would become a rather bare encyclopedia. BTW, encyclopedias are not limited to scientific jargon, they do have special editions that are dedicated to specific subjects, like entertainment.

I wasn't going to bother replying to this, but since you're making such a big deal of such a trivial matter, why not? Now, when you say that House announces his preference for the number 42 "with such reverence", that's a sign to me that you may be lacking a clue or three about this whole matter. Let me put it this way: when House says something like "I really dig chicks with fat asses" (not an actual quote, but certainly the type of comment he has made), do you think that means that he actually prefers women with large posteriors? Or that he even has a preference for types of women's behinds? Or that if he did that he would even divulge it? Or that if he did, that he would consider it of any significance? What I'm trying to say is that it's more than likely that House was being sarcastic, ironic, flippant, or all three, when he said his favorite number was 42. Therefore, it's non-notable. I don't even think you can show that he was serious when he said this. Which makes the whole thing moot and unworthy of mention. ==ILike2BeAnonymous 23:08, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

That is exactly what I was saying. Look, he is constantly sarcastic and the fact that he would actually believe his fav. number is 42 and tell someone that it highly unlikely. You pointed out exactly why he was most likely referencing HGTTG, because he was being sarcastic, as always. Why, if you are being sarcastic would you just say 42? Sarcasm usually has some form of meaning, and House always has a meaning when he says something. When he says "I could have hit that" in reference to Cameron, that was sarcasm, but the meaning was still there; he was refering to her liking him. Now, when someone says "what is your favorite number" and he's like "42", the only possible explaination for the sarcasm is him refering to HGTTG, otherwise it wouldn't be sarcasm it would be his true favorite number. Bignole 23:13, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but you're still missing the forest for the trees, my friend: it ain't notable. ==ILike2BeAnonymous 23:23, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

If I may say something, there is no actual mention of HGTTG on the show. It is merely speculation that it was from HGTTG. All of the othre trivia is supported by something on the show (House actually speaking Spanish, he does tend to diagnose patients with vasculitis, etc.) Thats is also why I removed the part about hallucinogenic mushrooms. IF THERE IS ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD AS TRIVIA, PLEASE STATE WHEN HOUSE DID/SAY/MEAN IT (AND IT MUST BE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.) Typer525 ^Contact 23:56, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Why would it not be notable? There are already two instances where assumption is used in the trivia section. The part about spanish, you never actually see House speak spanish, you just assume he did because he said he did. The end of Sports Medicine when you see him visualizing lacrosse, you are assuming he was once a player or a big fan of the sport, but for all we know he could have just been happy that he cured the young boy and that he can play again. There is a level of assumption that is always involved, unless explicitely stated. You have to pay attention to how he is saying it and then apply his personality to the subject. To House 42 is the perfect response to someone when they ask about a favorite number, or an important number, that doesn't pertain to an actual diagnoses. There are plenty of pages that provide a possible correlation between on thing and another, and since it is obvious that House was being sarcastic when he said 42, you can assign a correlation to HHGTTG, because that has a notable number of 42, that has no other significance other than being "the ultimate answer" which is what House was delivering, the ultimate answer to "what's your favorite number". He's House, he doesn't have a favorite number, unless it's the number of Vicodin that he pops at any one time. I see someone thought that your bit of trivia about "House taking vicodin when patients annoy him" was removed, I guess they thought that was not accurate either. Bignole 00:25, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually that tidbit was readded in a diffrent area. And the Spanish refrence, it was also in Season 2 Episode 3, Humpty Dumpty (I just changed it because it was a better example of his use of Spansih). And House was using some sort of lacrosse jargon on Sports Medicine. There is some basis to the other trivia. There is no HGTTG refrence throughout the entire episode (or show). And for all we know, House could have memorized the entire file because he is not over the guilt of not saving his patient (whatever her name was, Elizabeth?) --Typer525 ^Contact 00:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

How could memorizing the entire file come up with 42, what 42 lines of diagnosis? Using sports jargon doesn't mean that he played. You have to infer that through the powers of deduction, just like with 42. You have to take in how he said, how he usually responds and then formulate a solution. The only reason I am even fighting this is because points out a simple fact that the show likes to reference other shows, mediums, and things not literally tied to it. Like, House TiVoing "Blackadder", the fact that his soap that he watches in the first few episodes contains a character that looks remarkably like Dr. Chase (referencing his past experience working on a Australian soap), that House and Wilson both carry the similar monickers to HOLMES and WATSON, with both providing the respective personas of those characters as well. Some things you just have to deduce on your own, they aren't always black and white, and I felt that the person that added that bit of trivia did a pretty good job at deducing House's intentions behind his response, that is why I feel that it doesn't need to be deleted, plus the fact that it carries it's own disclaimer and doesn't say "this is exactly what he means". Bignole 01:07, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Congrats, you just proved that you have not watched that episode. If you did, you would have realized what we are debating over, let me give you those lines:

Cameron: His hematocrit would have to be low, it's at 44 and Esther's never dropped below...

House: 42.

Foreman: You have the file memorised?

House: It's my lucky number.

It can not be verified that it is refrencing to HGTTG (42 could mean pratically anything, it is just that HGTTG is the more well known) !!!! OK I had to get your stupidity (no offense) in not knowing what we were arguing over out of my system. One: There is only one way HGTTG is connected to House (through 42, his lucky number). Two: That connection could mean anything or nothing at all. Three: It is not beyond reasonble doubt. Four: Know what the debate is about before jumping in. --Typer525 ^Contact 05:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

OK, that does it, kiddies: I'm taking away your toy and deleting that piece of trivia. Thanks for providing the context for House's offhand comment, which clearly demonstrates how totally meaningless the number 42 is here. Ardent fans of that other show (Hitchhiker's Guide to whatever) will just have to suffer, I guess. ==ILike2BeAnonymous 06:43, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

wow, the personal attacks, I must have touched a nerve. Never once did I say I had seen the episode, i was purely going by what was on the trivia facts. If someone had provided the dialogue from the scene then it would have been different, and since it is Season 2, I can't very well go check it on DVD. As I clearly stated before, I was defending it because of the deduction made, not because I had seen the episode and deduced it myself. So, the "stupidity" lies on both ends, because you two could have ended this quick, and had me on your side to delete it, had you just provided me with the dialogue from the scene. I attempted to search the internet for it, but it doesn't seem to be among the list of favorite quotes from the series. So, had you guys just provided it sooner instead of provided useless and insufficient data to prove why it didn't belong, because under the guise that I was reading it it did belong. Bignole 11:10, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Personal attack? If that was considered a personal attack, I would be arrested by the police a long time ago for domestic disturbance (poor attempt of sarcasm :P)...Anyway, this edit will be a Parthian shot, so don't try to lure me back into the discussion. I was looking for evidence against the HGTTG refrences and came upon this link: [1]. And I promptly used it (so I was not witholding information, just introduced new evidence) And yeah you hit a nerve, you sometimes seem to act as if you seen the episode. Quoting you: "...and since it is obvious that House was being sarcastic when he said 42, you can assign a correlation to HGTTG." (he was sarcastic when he said that) You must have seen the episode to be actually able to say that it was "obviously sarcasm". --Typer525 ^Contact 22:22, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

And just think, I hadn't even seen the episode in question, yet I was right in my assessment of the context of the "42" remark. I guess I have a sensitive bullshit meter. (Like to think so, anyhow.) ==ILike2BeAnonymous 22:34, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

If you haven't seen the episode, and haven't read the dialogue, what would even make you want to disagree with the statement? You can't go around wiki with your "bullshit meter" and guess at which stuff is incorrect. Bignole 22:42, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean, "I can't go around"? It's called critical thinking and informed judgement—you know, paying attention to context and stuff like that—and it's what separates thinking people from, say, Brittany Spears. ==ILike2BeAnonymous 00:02, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

LOL, I can agree with that, but, unless you read the dialogue before hand you would have nothing to pay attention to. If you did not read the dialogue then there would be nothing to set you off. If you had read the dialogue then it would have been clear he wasn't meaning that (which, when Typer supplied it, I quickly took back my argument) and you couldn't claim some intuition told you so. Critical thinking and "bullshit meter" don't coincide. One is a guess and one is an analyzation of material. Bignole 00:16, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I say this...lets re-add the trivia about the number 42 and then include EVERY SINGLE REFERENCE to the number 42 that we can possibly think of, being as how it could "also" be a veiled reference to that. Such as. "House reveals that his favorite number is 42, this could be a reference to Indianapolis Colts Defensive Back Nick Harper, or the number of the rehab room Brian uses on Family Guy, or possibly to the age at death of Elvis Presley." Seems like these are all plausible too, since it's left up to the viewer, i'm going to go ahead and believe that it's House's favorite number because he's a fan of Jerry Stackhouse. Batman2005 22:19, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, my fight for the reference was because I was just reading what someone else had written, and didn't get a chance to see the episode. When Typer supplied the dialogue it's clear that the sarcasm rests in the fact that 42 is not his favorite number and he just merely read the file and remembered what the number was. Bignole 22:36, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Just to point out, there is a reference to HHGTTG in HOUSE, which proves that he is aware of what it is. In Season 1 "Control" the very beginning of the episode Cameron is playing some negotiator trick and House picks up on it and says (not direct quote) "what were you reading Hitchhiker's Guide to getting pals?" This proves that it is part of his universe and could be a possible reason for why they used 42 in such an obligitory manor for a sarcastic remark. Just pointing that out. Bignole 01:14, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I am a HHGTTG fan and I think that it is merely a coincidence that House mentioned that his lucky number was 42, the answer to the Meaning of Life.-Diabolos 10:19 10 May 2006

Well the point was that there was never mention of HHGTTG on the show, according to other editors, so there could be no connection. But, in that episode it is clear he knows the books, which could have an underlying symbolism as to why they used "42" in Season 2, as they did. House is always one for multiple meanings. I was merely stating that it isn't as far off as Typer and ILikeToBeAnonymous were leading it to be believed. Bignole 03:43, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

No, you were only off by one or two orders of magnitude. But hey, "not that far off". ==ILike2BeAnonymous 05:52, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Quotes cleanup

We should seriously remove some quotes, the quotes section is about half the page!!!! --Typer525 ^Contact 23:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm switching the order of "Trivia" and "Quotes"; I love the show and I didn't want to read through all the quotes. Anyone with a Wikiquote account want to just switch the quotes over and put up the box? Sure it's a TV show, but a funny or entertaining quote is still funny or entertaining no matter the source. - Digresser 19:31, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, there is already a Wikiquote for House. I think we should consider removing all but a small sampling of quotes and add the box. - Digresser 19:50, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

So, yeah, why don't you move all of them over to Wikiquote, and just leave a few of the best ones here for teasers? ==ILike2BeAnonymous 19:47, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Uncanny Grasp?

According to the trivia section, Hugh Laurie has an 'uncanny grasp' on American speech. To me that suggests that for US fans his accent is 'revolting'. Is that really so? I'm no expert but I've always thought that he does not merely a passable but an outstanding American accent on the show. Is that remark in the trivia section a private opinion (and should therefore be removed) or a widely accepted view?

Don't forget to sign your posts. It isn't meant to be "revolting". Uncanny means "Peculiarly unsettling, as if of supernatural origin or nature". Simply it is just saying that his grasp of American speech is so remarkable that it cannot be described as anything of this world. I think it may be a little over the top, but, his grasp of American speech is worth noting. He doesn't simply try and put an American accent on. Watch him in "Flight of the Phoenix" to see how strong his English accent is. Bignole 17:41, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm the one who added the "uncanny" comment, and I'm really surprised that this could have been misinterpreted. Doesn't this mean the same thing "over there" (UK) as here (US)? In any case, it is intended as a compliment. Hugh Laurie is every bit as talented as Tracy Ullman in this respect. ==ILike2BeAnonymous 17:56, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I totally misinterperetd the comment. And in my case over here means 'Hungary'. Hungarians tend to misinterpret English comments, mostly because it is not their native langugae... Sorry, won't happen again. User:Waux Trident

As we say here, no problem. I hate to think how I'd misinterpret Hungarian (I know enough to get me into trouble!) Egészségére. ==ILike2BeAnonymous 18:27, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Wow, how come You know enough Hungarian to get You into trouble? (viz. Hungarian is not a langugae spoken world-wide...)User:Waux Trident

Well, getting over the fact that Trivia sections are possibly the most pointless thing ever on these pages, as most of the information is retarded. Saying that Hugh Laurie has an "uncanny grasp of english" is EXTREMELY point of view. Now...if a source can be provided saying that his grasp of the language is uncanny, or somehow better than other foreign actors working in Hollywood today, then it doesn't fall under Original Research or Point of View. As it happens, in my opinion his grasp of the language is no better than guys like Ewan McGregor, Eric Bana, etc. Now I certainly wouldn't input that into the article because....HOLY SHIT....it's my POINT OF VIEW!!!! 75.2.20.119 21:22, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Hugh Laurie's American English

I'm aware there is a section above that discusses this piece of trivia. But they're rewording it. I want to remove it. The idea that Hugh Laurie being a British actor with "an uncanny grasp of American speech patterns" is not notable and is a little POV. There has not been a poll taken over the UK and US asking people if they like Hugh Laurie accent. It is also not notable that he has an American accent. Of the top of my head I can say that Christian Bale, Russell Crowe and Michael Caine have all had "uncanny grasps of American speech patterns" at one time or another. The Filmaker 15:52, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

*grabs popcorn and gets comfy* this could take a while, folks. -MBlume 16:55, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I'm a Yank, and I've followed Michael Caine's career from a long time ago, possibly before you were born, and I'm telling you that Laurie's grasp of our talk is remarkable. Caine's a great actor, but he's never achieved the "assimilation" of our speech patterns that Laurie has. The only other Brit who comes close, in my estimation, is the equally awesomely talented Tracy Ullman. == 18:54, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with your edit summary ILike2BeAnonymous, i think it was misleading to what you re-added to the page. saying "Reinstate fact of Laurie's background; this may not be known to some viewers, therefore of interest." while adding something POV is stretching it a bit. I respect that, in your opinion, Hugh Laurie has a good grasp of the English language, the point as worded however, is loaded with POV. To add this kind of commentary to the page, one really needs to provide a source from a magazine, book, etc talking about his language skills and how they are "uncanny" or somewhat better than other foreign actors in Hollywood. As is, it's POV and I have removed it. If you can find a source saying what you want it to say then i'm all for including it, but I just can't see including it when half the people agree and the other half think his english is no better than anyone else. 75.2.20.119 21:30, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes! YES! To him you must listen! I've realized that the issue is specifically that the trivia is POV. Laurie has not one any awards and wouldn't even add the piece if a magazine happened to refer to it as uncanny. If ILike2BeAnonymous is refering to the fact that he is British, then that is not notable enough to be included. The Filmaker 00:03, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

i went to the imdb website and under Hugh Laurie's mini bio they have listed as his Trade mark: 'His fluent American accent from "House"'. does that count enough? =) FiatPanda 21:27, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Good enough for me; I'm putting it back in. +ILike2BeAnonymous 21:51, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

A quote from a magazine, newspaper, or notable website's TV reviewer would also be sufficient. Sockatume 17:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Chase's English accent

I wonder if there should be some mention of the fact that Chase is an Englishman played by an Australian, while House is an American played by an Englishman. Also, while House's accent is (IMO) mostly passable, Chase's is obviously Australian and not even close to an English accent (at least to the ears of an English person such as myself). That is, of course, POV, but I think you'll find it's a majority point of view if you ask those who know English accents (I'd guess most in the US are ignorant of the differences). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Davidmaxwaterman (talk • contribs) 10:42, 29 April 2007 (UTC).

Er, no, because Chase is an Australian played by an Australian. --Galaxiaad 17:14, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree that Chase's accent is nowhere near to an English accent.

That's because it's Australian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.44.185.5 (talk • contribs)

What a revelation. [Hands you a cookie.] - Dudesleeper · Talk 13:15, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Who left whom

from the article: "Following treatment, he found it difficult to live as a cripple, causing Stacy to leave him"

Is who left whom and why a matter of record? If not, I shall change this sentence pretty soon. -MBlume 00:49, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

if i recall correctly in the episode entitled "Need to Know" there is a scene with House in Wilson's office and House says something like, "She won't leave him while he's still in therapy, too much guilt." and Wilson replies something like, "She left you." Though that doesn't say the reason she left him, it does seem to be saying that she did the leaving. What do you think? FiatPanda 14:25, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

She left him because he was shutting her out of his life, according to "Failure to Communicate" ("He's shutting me out of his life!" "Maybe you are missinterpreting" "Did I missinterpret with you? (...) At least now I know what's going on", plus the mentioned quote in "Need to Know" Diana Prallon 04:53, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

iPod and other House trivia

http://malaquent.tripod.com/house/index.html

Please use this to settle any future disputes. And the iPod should be mentioned along with the rest of House's "toys" (Gameboy SP, Gameboy DS, PSP, etc.)--Typer525 ^Talk 04:43, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Give us one reason why. Who the hell cares what toys and trinkets this fictional character has? How about his wallet: should we note the make of it? his watch? what kind of coffee cup he drinks out of? what type of shirts he wears? Do you see where we're going with this? ==ILike2BeAnonymous 17:25, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

By that principle, we should remove the part on his soap opera watching habit (from season 1), and his video game habit, and his ability to speak several languages, and everything in the trivia section. I will be on a wiki vacation for several weeks so we will continue this debate later. --Typer525 ^Talk 17:50, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

No, you're throwing up a straw man argument. Those things are relevant to his character—who he is, what he does, how he interacts with others. The fact that he owns a piece of electronic equipment that gazillions of other people in all walks of life, social stratas and cultures own is totally inconsequential. I mean, look at it this way: would you put in a statement in the article that "He also owns a cell phone"? I don't think so. ==ILike2BeAnonymous 17:57, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

His iPod has been used as a 'plot point' within the plot of a fairly minor scene, in just the same manner that his handheld gaming devices and other toys have. (I'm referring to in some season one episode within the Vogler arc, when he was playing Baba O'Reilly very loudly when Vogler came in, then tried to turn on some music for dramatic effect when he left, but getting Hava Nagila. The iPod was important within the plot of the scene.) The PSP is completely irrelevant to who he is and how he interacts with others -- we saw him with it ONCE, in Daddy's Boy, playing it in his office when Cameron came in, but you probably wouldn't say that shouldn't be mentioned, though it's just as common a thing for people to have. In any case, I would say that the iPod IS relevant to his character -- not the fact that he HAS one, but the fact that he has been seen playing loud music in his office on it. --Bertieismyho 04:55, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, OK: the device itself really is of no consequence; his playing music loudly, as if to greet Vogler in derision, does have some relevance. (I must have missed that episode, or that little piece of business.) ==ILike2BeAnonymous 06:04, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

From that perspective, though, it's not really relevant that he has a game boy -- only that he plays video games when he's supposed to be working in the clinic and sometimes lets the clinic patients play as well. The portable TV wouldn't be relevant, either, only the fact that he watches TV when he shouldn't be (and, again, sometimes lets patients do the same. I can see where you're coming from, because the iPod is, certainly, a more likely device for a man of his age (though still a bit unlikely), but it just seems like inconsistent logic not to mention the iPod. Plus, it's not really going to hurt to mention it, is it? --Bertieismyho 20:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Wow can't wait for me to get back huh? Oh well, thanks Bertieismyho for the arguement... the iPod is as part of him as his video games if not more. (again thanks Bertieismyho for the fact that the iPod is related to popular music like PSP and Gameboy is related to his video games) Typer525 ^Talk 00:30, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

You guys are making too much of this. ILike2BeAnonymous, you went way over the edge saying stuff like that in your first post. The trinkets may not be much, but it's one of House's trademarks. He plays a lot of portable game devices. It's at least worth mentioning. 64.135.205.238 22:38, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Character Page Title Consistency Problem

This page is "Gregory House". All the other character pages, however, are "*Dr.* FIRSTNAME LASTNAME".

Clearly something should be done; any preferences on which way? --70.124.26.249 23:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

He does have a doctor's degree...want me to change it? Typer525 ^Talk 00:19, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

All the pages are actual names, the links are old, and now go through redirects. Apparently there's some sort of site policy that we don't include honorifics (sp?) in article titles. For example, Paul McCartney is not listed as Sir Paul McCartney though such a link will still work because someone's put in a redirect. -MBlume 08:42, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree. "Dr. Gregory/Greg House" or "Dr. House" should redirect here, but titles outside of the full name should be kept out.

"Sexual attraction"

I think instead of just editing back and forth and exchanging remarks in edit summaries, we should talk about this. I agree with MBlume: the bit with him opening her shirt with the robot qualifies as sexual, in my opinion. --Galaxiaad 00:10, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

It's obvious, from what happens in the last episode of the second season, that House feels a sexual attraction to Cameron, and it's equally obvious from her reaction that he wants her to reciprocate (Remember, all a hallucination). Whether the attraction is intellectual/personality is debatable, but there is definetly some attraction there. -- Raveled

I was not around when the argument started, but I feel that it may be a way to find out if he is hallucinating. We should discuss this further. Typer525 ^Talk 00:23, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

First of all, I'm sorry for reverting without coming to the talk page, that's something I usually try to avoid and I completely forgot this time. Anywho, I think there was a very strong sexual element to the scene in the OR, and since the screenwriter of that scene was Gregory House himself, I think that says something significant about the way he thinks about Cameron. What's everyone think?

Typer, you mean that he was robotically sexing Cameron up to find out if this was real? Even so, that doesn't take into account the moment the first time he gets out of bed, when he tells Cameron she can't touch him because the sexual tension will just be too much. Besides, he could have done any number of things to determine whether he was hallucinating, and the fact remains that he did *that* -MBlume 08:47, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Whether or not that scene showed any actual sexual attraction to Cameron is debatable. Personally, I find it difficult to read it that way at all -- it said to me that he wasn't any more interested in her than he would be in some girl in a porno. He wasn't undressing her HIMSELF, he was doing it with a robot hand, and in front of a patient. It wasn't even remotely intimate, and it seemed more like one of his sort-of-half-jokes (taken to an extreme because it wasn't real) than anything. Obviously, he finds her sexy, but I'm sure that he (like almost everyone in the world ever) finds a number of people sexy who he probably has no plan or real desire to sleep with. If the scene said anything significant about the way he thought about Cameron, it seems to me that it said that he has no respect for or interest in her whatsoever. --Bertieismyho 16:08, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Drug Addiction

In "Three Stories," it's implied that House abused other painkillers than Vicodin. To quote, "[this patient] will be thrown out of the hospital because he was faking it to score narcotics." Later in the series, (with the help of Dr. Cuddy) he injects what he thinks is morphine, and again towards the end of Season Two he very nearly does it on his own. Perhaps the bits about the Vicodin addiction should be changed to reflect painkillers and narcotics in general? -- Raveled

I don't think so. One -- It's been a long, long time since I've seen the episode, but wasn't that either not really true or not the patient who was actually House? Two -- That's two incidents where he's tried to be injected with morphine. The importance put on them by everyone on the show and by the show itself implied that those were the ONLY two times. (Incidentally, in the season two episode, it was implied that he actually DID inject himself with it at the end.) It's not like he wanted morphine for FUN -- he was actually in severe pain. If it were a regular occurance, I'd say you were right, but it's happened twice. --Bertieismyho 18:45, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

The morphine was for excrutiating pain in his leg, that was caused by a neurological issue (he got better after he was injected with Saline, instead of Morphine). He just wanted relief from his pain, and it's not chronic like his Vicodin addiction.

The "Three Stories" remark, where he said one of the patients will be thrown out of the hospital for faking pain to score narcotics, was referenced to the character he was masking as himself. The problem with that is House was already a doctor at the hospital at the time of his infarction, so he would not have been faking anything. However, the character he made up was thrown out because his case seemed like he was faking.

Either way, his only addiction is Vicodin. 64.135.205.238 22:43, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

What kind of doctor is he?

I heard the correct term for the type of doctor he is is an internist. I realize he specialized in infectious disease and nephrology and is the head of a diagnostic team but can anyone confirm him being an internist?

He's not an internist. He's everything you listed afterwards, though. 64.135.205.238 22:44, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

ID specialists and nephrologists are both internists; they undergo further training, but they have to finish training as in internal medicine (or pediatrics, but I'm not sure that quite fits the character as well) before they can go for the specialty.

That's correct (but please sign your comments!). Along these lines, this part of the article doesn't make any sense:

Following his expulsion from Johns Hopkins, House applied and was accepted to the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor ... where he graduated with his M.D., specializing in infectious disease and nephrology.

One doesn't graduate with a specialty when s/he gets an M.D. After finishing med school and receiving the M.D., one has to go to residency for specialization, and then possibly fellowship for subspecialization. In House's case, he would have had to have finished residency in internal medicine, then fellowship in nephrology, as well as fellowship in infectious disease. All three of these could have been done at the same institution or three separate institutions. So, the question is, did he finish residency and his two fellowships at Ann Arbor, or somewhere else. 69.216.58.186 05:12, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

No cane in Season 3?

Over at House MD's Guide they have a publicity photo in the page for Season 3 episode Meaning where House is seen standing without the use of a cane. I put a note in the List of House Episodes section under trivia, but was unsure of where to put it on this page (Biography, Character?). Chad Hennings 08:07, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I believe it's implied that, in Season 3, House starts physical therapy. That might be a part of the therapy or it might be a result of it. Also, he's been seen to walk without his cane before -- always limping, never very far, but he's done it. -- Raveled 14:35, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Just saw a video of Fox's preview for their Fall lineup, and it shows House running without any pain and telling Cuddy he's been pain free for 2 months. Chad Hennings 02:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I'd wait until the season starts off. It could be a result of the ketamine, therapy, or possibly another unexpected cause, but it's not reliable as of yet. 64.135.205.238 04:51, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Vicodin/Watson

I removed the line about Vicodin being produced by Watson Laboratories (as a Sherlock Holmes reference). I really don't think that this is intentional. The Watson reference is already established (much more appropriately) in Wilson. I assume that Vicodin was chosen because first, it's an addictive painkiller, which is kind of self-explanatory, and second, it has a good amount of currency and cultural recognition (they could have chosen Oxycontin, but that'd remind at least me of Rush Limbaugh...) Let me know if you have any objections though.

Sooo, who's excited about the new season? XD --Galaxiaad 23:46, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

It's not a huge link, like the drug use or House:Holmes::Wilson:Watson, but it is a connection. Why else would they use Watson labs? -- Raveled 01:00, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Er, maybe I don't understand what you're saying, but Vicodin is actually produced by Watson Labs in real life... (Now the patent has expired, so multiple companies make it, but the original patent holder was Watson.) --Galaxiaad 01:55, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

While the person who originally added that piece of "Holmes-inspired naming" was obviously wrong, it's still a neat coincidence. Might it not be better served in the "Holmes connection" section? --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 03:42, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

It's a coincidence, and I still don't think a very important one (though I'd be OK with adding it back into the article if you want to), but I feel the need to note that I was wrong. Watson makes brand Norco (also hydrocodone/APAP but in different ratios) and generic Vicodin, but Abbott Labs makes the brand Vicodin. Oops. :/ (Oh, and I've never seen the writing on the tablets House takes; if it's been shown and he does indeed use the Watson ones that'd be a bit more interesting.) --Galaxiaad 01:03, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

It's an interesting coincidence, if it really is one. A doctor like House would be far more likely, in real life, to insist on the time-release Oxycontin than the constant up and down relief of Vicodin, and Wilson would have been more than happy to oblige. Considering the amount of medical knowledge that David Shore and the other writers obviously have, the odds of coincidence are pretty low. Watson Laboratories makes the largest variety of pills, which are probably the most widely taken. House would be very unlikely to go for more expensive brand-name hydrocodone when he could buy the generic. Rarr 23:50, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I think this has been mentioned but...

House went to the University of Michigan as an undergraduate. It never states in any episode that he attended Michigan after his expulsion from Hopkins. I do not believe that his undergraduate university is "unkown" but I am timid in changing it because it looks like it has already been discussed but I feel the discussion ended in an error. I agree, it is pretty trivial to argue about this but I am a stickler for the facts. Any comments on this? Wikipediarul e s 2221 22:22, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

use of oxycodone in article

Oxycodone, although related to Vicodin, is a seperate drug. The correct term for Vicodin is Hydrocodone.

Curmudgeon

Paragraph two states that House is not in fact a curmudgeon, even though he is described as such. However, paragraph three then calls his behaviour curmudgeonly, which was previously stated to be fallacious... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mattbuck (talk • contribs) 17:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC).

Then change it? StvnLunsford 13:18, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't like that paragraph either. It's original research and kind of a digression for the lead of the article. What do others think? --Galaxiaad 22:17, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Its at the least unsourced. That doesn't mean there isn't some useful information there. Lets find some sources, pare it down, and move it elsewhere in the article.StvnLunsford 01:24, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Holmes's drug use

I was trying to find a source for Holmes's use of heroin, which is plausible considering it was sold for pain relief at the time, like morphine; but I can't find one. Holmes definitely *did* use cocaine and morphine (see the beginning of The Sign of the Four here). --Galaxiaad 08:33, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Oops, actually I think it was sold for cough. Irrelevant, hehe. --Galaxiaad 08:38, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Touch of Evil

I've added another subsection to the personality section regarding Touch of Evil much like the one about Sherlock Holmes. I felt there were enough similarities to make it interesting enough to be addressed, and any others found would be great as well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Callandor (talk • contribs) 11:07, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

Nihilism

After reading the Wikipedia article on Nihilism--hell, even its introductory paragraph--it became obvious that House's statements and actions very clearly reflect Nihilism. So, I added a section to the article on House. Piercetheorganist 22:59, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Update and clean up for the second half of season three

Under relationships, Wilson's section is mostly a retelling of the christmas arc and doesn't include anything that we've learned lately, such as the coffee and that House interfered with his marriages. The section needs to be slimmed down and those things added. BethEnd 14:55, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

John Hopkins

There seems to be a minor war developing surrounding John Hopkins university. Some are deleting references to it's being prestigious/highly respected... others are adding it back in. As somebody who doesn't make regular edits to this page, I believe it is appropriate to include something about John Hopkins. It is a standard convention in U.S. literature/movies to identify a doctor as a John Hopkins graduate when intending to make the doctor an elite doctor. In the world of literature/movies/TV there is no better school than John Hopkins. This may or may not be true in the real world, but it is a common convention that American Audiences immediately recognize John Hopkins as "the premier" medical school in the country.Balloonman 05:30, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Johns Hopkins (it is "Johns", btw, not "John") is regarded, both within and without Hollywood's creations, as being a very prestigious school with some of the best minds in America working/learning there. Piercetheorganist 04:23, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Birth Date

I don't contribute much, and am not sure how to apply this. In the commentary track for the episode "No Reason" David Shore makes it quite clear that the date of birth on the hospital bracelet is Hugh Laurie's not House's. Yes the entry on house implies that it could be his date of birth. I would suggest the entry be edited to remove the date of birth, or at least clarify that it was intentionally Hugh's, and not House's. Any thoughts? 203.55.194.140 13:18, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

3rd season

Is it ever revealed why cameron left? Was it because House refused to date her or beacause she was angry that House fired Chase?

Steve McQueen

I uploaded a screenshot of the rat, and added it in the Steve McQueen section. Dr Alcohol 20:27, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Error?

"However, there is a significant difference between the two. House is an "equal opportunity offender" who has his patients' best interest at heart (i.e., survive whatever is wrong with them). Tritter, on the other hand, goes on a vendetta to destroy House's life and that of those around him in order to get revenge."

The whole revenge thing seems to me to be akin to his fued with Dr. Weber. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.133.69.93 (talk) 23:19, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I think that is correct; as it says, House behaves the same way towards everyone, whereas Tritter decides to ruin House's life but is relatively nice to everyone else. By the way, please sign your posts by typing ~~~~ after them. asyndeton 23:23, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Except House goes out of his way to discredit and get revenge on Dr. Weber. Imo House singles out Weber for his own personal vendetta (which can be seen by his declaration of the score being settled). Additionally Tritter wasn't really being nice to everybody else, what with freezing House's associates bank accounts and raiding their houses.

I see them both as going to whatever lengths necessary to get revenge on people. Yes, House does tend to abuse anybody and everybody possible, but we do not know that Tritter does not either, and I do believe that House and Tritter are alike in the "must get revenge" idea.

172.132.3.137 07:41, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

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The article is too long.

I'm no expert on writing articles about fictional characters and I'm still confused but I think the page can be shortened by deleting some of the information about relationship with other characters especially the more minor ones such as Philip Weber, Steve McQueen, and Tritter. This shouldn't be an article about what happens to him in each episode, but that's how the article reads like currently. Oh, and the article could use more sources, especially out-of-universe ones, and "in episode such and such" can be changed to a footnote. mirageinred 21:22, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

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