Talk:Golden Gate Park/Archive 1

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Archive 1

Cannibalizing articles

Whenever new articles are spun off a parent article, the parent, or "trunk" article shouldn't be cannibalized. Conservatory of Flowers is a case in point. The basic facts about the Conservatory of Flowers as a feature of Golden Gate Park remain here, part of the full story of Golden Gate Park. They will doubtless also appear at Conservatory of Flowers, but in a much expanded and more detailed description of the structure, its construction, its history, and above all its contents: all information about the Conservatory in and of itself. Similarly History of France can't skip Bonaparte simply because there is a separate article Napoleon Bonaparte. Each article remains complete. --Wetman 22:05, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

I didn't start the Conservatory of Flowers article; I stumbled across it and thought I'd contribute something. Nor did I cannibalize the history content from Golden Gate Park I wrote it from scratch. When I looked back at the Golden Gate Park article it seemed there was duplication for no good reason so I condensed it to be consistent with the descriptive content on other features in the article. I'm happy to leave things alone, but I definitely think that the detailed history of the Conservatory of Flowers doesn't need to take up space in the Golden Gate Park article as well as its own article, and that the history of the Conservatory is more appropriately placed in an article on the Conservatory. The park map lists 37 features and the Golden Gate Park article only mentions 11, so there is ample opportunity to describe the park, it's long and interesting history and its contents without duplicating historical detail about specific features in multiple places. --Paul 14:53, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Section on Park Culture

There's no mention of the park culture in this article. There are many people who spend all their time in the park, and not just the homeless or teenages. Many people look after the park (the police seldom involve themselves in park affairs) and many of them have been there for some time. Hippy Hill, Kite Man, and the Janis tree should be mentioned. I've been googling this (the Janis tree) for a little bit, and haven't turned up anything. Nevertheless, there is a legend that Janis Joplin mixed several doses of LSD with a jug of water and watered a tree (then just a sapling) with it. I've seen the tree this was supposedly done to, and it's easy to believe, as the tree appears deformed and mutated. I haven't been able to find a source to confirm or deny this, but the tree is located at 37*46'10.55" N 122*27'26.23" W (using Google Earth). If anybody could find a reference, that would be awesome. Zelmerszoetrop 06:48, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Successful botanizing in Bolivia?

The sentence "Only Bolivia escaped his net." was deleted by User:Eaefremov, who is apparently aware of McLaren's successes in Bolivia. --Wetman 08:51, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

If it is true that McLaren successfully sourced specimens from every country in the world except Bolivia, then that remarkable fact surely deserves an appropriate cite. If that is not true, then the article is better without that ironic sentence, don’t you agree? --Paul 20:05, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, I can't find my original reference now, so let it be. The New World was intended anyway. Not important. Additions and deletions are often based on information. --Wetman 08:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

article misleading?

Reading the article for the first time, I was struck by the snarky comment about parking; as I understand it, the net result will be the "elimination" of the surface parking, and narrowing of the roadways. My source is : http://www.goldengateparkconcourse.org/golden_gate/circulationaccess.asp

I've changed the description of the Music Concourse garage to conform to the above source. --Paul 16:31, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

The Golden Gate Park Concourse Authority (owner of goldengateconcourse.org) is not an objective, disinterested party. It is a corrupt body that has violated key provisions of the very law that mandates its creation. Two lawsuits have been filed over their behavior, though a corrupt judge (since retired) has allowed them to proceed with impunity. Whether they will actually remove surface parking remains to be seen. Narrowing roadways is not even mandated by law, and as far as I know there are no plans to do so. --Jym 08:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Is there a grammatical Error??

An english teach of mine stated that their was a grammatical error in the golden gate park. I am not sure as to what it may be, but would be delighted if anyone else knew about it.

[T]he Music Concourse is also undergoing a series improvements [sic] is more a typo than a grammatical error. Whether these changes are "improvements" is a matter of some debate, so that assertion does not qualify as NPOV. --Jym 08:13, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Largest Urban Park?

Why does this article list the park as the largest urban park in the U.S. when the wikipedia's list of urban parks rankes it ninth? The Opressed One 04:31, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

According to the University of Texas at El Paso, Franklin Mountains State Park is the largest urban park in the world (source). Urban park also contains a list of the largest urban parks in North America. Cacophony 02:41, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

According to The Straight Dope, this is a well-known issue. I think it involves differing definitions of the terms "city park", "urban park" and "municipal park".--soelo 18:32, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Bison

The current bison are not the original herd. Part of the herd contracted bovine TB in 1980 and were shipped out, with the healthy ones following in the 1990s. Richard Blum donated fresh bison as a gift to his wife, then Mayor Dianne Feinstein. How romantic is that? The current herd descends from the new bison. [1] I'd be happy to make the changes, but Wetman seems to be managing the article quite well. Ninquerinquar (talk) 21:27, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Me? I've just done three or four little tweaks in the last six months. The article needs your clarification on the bison, which was news to be, I have to say. --Wetman (talk) 04:32, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Question, why does this article doesn't metion wild life in the park (besides Bison)? I think it maybe important for people to know what they can see!???--Noahgilgimesh (talk) 06:17, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

“Blue Gum Eucalyptus”?

Gum trees are eucalyptus trees – eucalyptus trees are gum trees. Why write it in such a way as to create a redundancy? That would be like stating that, “Golden Gate Park extends from Stanyan Street in the east all the way to the ocean sea in the west.” Or like writing, “Golden Gate Park is popular with people and humans.” —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.61.143.120 (talk) 02:27, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Is it appropriate to mention how many people sell cannabis here? That might be interesting to readers, and anybody who has been to the park can confirm it, but it's hard to imagine what sort of primary source one might refer to.71.191.132.230 (talk) 18:34, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

HMMM even more. - Park Visitors?

the first paragraph says annual visitors is 13 mill. then under the pic in park info it states visitors as 19 mill. wich is correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.94.249.178 (talk) 01:59, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Jumbled topics

I submit that the section on the park's history needs reorganizastion to avoid the muddlement that now exists. The following bit is quite jarring in its current location. "Later McLaren scoured the world through his correspondents for trees. When McLaren refused to retire at age 60, as was customary, the San Francisco city government was bombarded with letters: when he reached 70, a charter amendment was passed to exempt him from forced retirement. He lived in McLaren Lodge in Golden Gate Park until he died at age 96, in 1943."

    This is not a page about McLaren, and it's not at all clear why he was scouring for trees.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.0.198.42 (talk) 05:50, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Murphy's Windmill world record holder?!

According to several sources (e.g. this, this or this one) the southern mill (Murphy's) is, or at least used to be, the biggest windmill in the world by length of sails with 114 feet. I'm surprised that this is not even mentioned in the article. What is the current status of the former world record holder? --Tetris L (talk) 22:41, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

1861s?

In the History section, the phrase "In the 1861s..." appears. This is incorrect, isn't it? What does that even mean? --Cowlinator (talk) 22:50, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

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Olmsted proposal

The following article has information on Frederick Law Olmsted's rejected 1866 proposal: Young, Terence (September 20, 2015). "The great park San Francisco needed — but rejected". Los Angeles Times. Ibadibam (talk) 23:32, 21 March 2018 (UTC)