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New Montage?

Hey fellow Wikipedians, I changed the old montage to "File:Gold Coast summer, Burleigh Heads Beach.jpg". As I felt the old montage did not do justice to the Gold Coast, the picture of the skyline was from the canals and did not show the beach culture and full skyline like the one I replaced it with. The other images were of fairly bad quality or ordinary places like HabourTown. The QLD/NSW border line is also irrelevant, as well as the image of Seaworld. Would a fellow help design a new montage, I think that the main skyline image should be File:Gold Coast summer, Burleigh Heads Beach.jpg, along with a image of Dreamworld Entrance (Australia's largest amusement park and deserves a place in the montage more than SeaWorld does) maybe this one, File:Dreamworld Entrance.jpg? An image of Springbrook National Park, maybe this one File:Springbrook Cave.jpg? An image of Carrara Stadium, which would show the future host stadium of the 2018 Commonwealth games, File:Sunny Carrara Stadium (cropped).jpg. An image of Chevron Renaissance shopping lane, showing the eclectic nature of the Gold Coast File:Chevron Renaissance Shopping Mall & Apartment Complex in GC HWY.jpg. Luckyowl10 (talk) 01:13, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

An image of Entertainment sector for the Gold Coast — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.232.140.186 (talk) 03:12, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

With or without definite article?

The article is very inconsistent as to whether the city is called Gold Coast or The Gold Coast. I note that the local government styles it the City of Gold Coast, with no 'the', but this article even starts with using 'The'.

This confusion, between the city called Gold Coast and a littoral area that might be referred to as "the Gold Coast" has lead to a general lack of clarity in the article about what the subject matter is. Are we talking, per the lede paragraph and infobox, about a city of 160 square miles, or a wider area "approximately half covered by ... ancient rainforest, mangrove-covered islands, and patches of coastal heathlands and farmland with areas of uncleared eucalypt forest" which might or might not be describing the local government area of 542 square miles which already has its own article.

At a time when the city is being brought to worldwide attention, greater clarity in the article would be a good thing. Kevin McE (talk) 13:06, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

You are touching on two issues here. First the definite article. It's just a linguistic thing (see [1]) and not unique to Australia. As an Australian who lives an hour away, we do use "the" in everyday speech/writing e.g. "I'm going to the Gold Coast" but we don't ever write it as "I'm going to Gold Coast to visit my friend". Similarly I would say "While I'm there, I'll do some kayaking in the Nerang River" but the river is called Nerang River not The Nerang River. In contrast I would never say "While there, I'm going to stay at the Mermaid Beach", I'd always say "I'm going to stay at Mermaid Beach". Why are the rules different for coasts, rivers and beaches? I don't know. But as the article says at the top "Use Australian English", so we do add/omit the definite article according to what sounds normal to us. Your second issue about how Gold Coast is so vaguely defined vs City of Gold Coast which is precisely defined with lines on a map is an issue that arises in many Wikipedia articles where a city is has spread well beyond its traditional boundaries, e.g. London is vastly different to City of London, Sydney is different to City of Sydney, and so forth. So the problems you highlight are not unique to this article but simply reflect the linguistics and concepts of the real wordld

Area

Data from articles:

It does not make sense. @AussieLegend:, @Advanstra:, @GCunknown: and other Aussies - what do you think about this data? Subtropical-man (talk / en-2) 19:48, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

@Subtropical-man: I presume the difference is between the precisely bounded City of Gold Coast for which the 2016 census gives the population as 555,721. Being precisely bounded means that the area is probably right as these things can be precisely measured. However, then we have "the Gold Coast" which is a vague and nebulous concept of whatever the speaker thinks constitutes the Gold Coast which is the subject of Gold Coast, Queensland (this distinction between the precise and the "common use by someone" is equally true of City of Brisbane vs Brisbane and plenty of other places in Australia where a city now spills beyond its formal boundaries. In the case of "the Gold Coast", it is very linked in people's minds as "the holiday place by the sea". There are beach areas in northern NSW which promote themselves as being "Gold Coast". The figure of 638,090 has a citation but it is imprecise not pointing to the actual data. But if you look through the various CSV files provided, you find in the 3rd table called "Population Estimates by Significant Urban Area, 2006 to 2016 that the "Gold Coast - Tweed Heads" has an estimated 2016 populion of 638,090, so yes we are crossing the border to get this figure. If you look at the 2016 census for that Significant Urban Area, the census population is 624,264 and you will see the map of what it is using for this significant urban area, which you should compare with the City of Gold Coast census map. As you will see the Gold Coast - Tweed Heads extends south of the border into NSW but does not go as far west into the Gold Coast hinterland (which is a mix of rural and acreage properties with relatively low population densities). So this explains why "the Gold Coast" has more people but less area than the City of Gold Coast as the ABS are using the contiguous urban areas (which probably rules out the large but sparesly populated hinterland). I don't have source for the exact areas but a look at the maps suggest my theory on the areas is plausible. Is it right to put a estimated or actual Gold Coast-Tweed Heads population in the Gold Coast, Queensland article (the article title rather denies the presence of NSW within the Gold Coast!)? I don't think so without providing a more detailed explanation of it is for Gold Coast - Tweed Heads urban area. The lede of that article is clear that the Gold Caost is in Queensland, but adroitly uses "city" rather than "City" in the lede to finesse the fact that the article's scope is rather vaguely defined. Everything about vaguely-defined cities is rubbery when it comes to statistics as the numbers are dependent on the precise boundaries used to compile those statistics. IMHO a lot of people misuse ABS statistics about urban areas, as there is the perception that they are "official" boundaries but in fact the ABS change them at will to track what we might call the contiguous urban sprawl centred on Gold Coast, but that isn't the subject of the Gold Coast, Queensland article. Kerry (talk) 08:00, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Introduction Neutrality ?

The Gold Coast region remained largely uninhabited by Europeans until 1823 when explorer John Oxley landed at Mermaid Beach.

Using the article itself, shouldn't the introduction start like The Gold Coast is the ancestral home of a number of Indigenous clans of the Yugambeh people, including the Kombumerri, Bullongin, and Tulgi-gi-gin clans. Europeans arrived in 1823 when explorer John Oxley landed at Mermaid Beach.

instead of unnecessarly focusing on Europeans by saying "largely unhabited by Europeans" ? :o

Both are uncited, but the statement about the Indigenous people is cited in the History of Gold Coast article (Cunningham, M 1969 A Description of the Yugumbir Dialect of Bandjalang. University of Queensland Papers 1:69–122).

-- Anon 00:36, 17 August 2018 (UTC+1)

— 2a01:e35:8a82:a810:d938:ee99:d02f:ea7 (talk) 22:39, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Absolutely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.97.122.15 (talk) 20:23, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
No idea why no action was taken on this at the time, but I have just made the suggested improvement. HiLo48 (talk) 09:26, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

"The" Gold Coast

The name of the city is "City of Gold Coast", "the Gold Coast" is a colloquial name, but in all cases "Gold Coast" is the common name. I think the "The" should be removed from the article text. 93.159.251.2 (talk) 08:04, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Glad to see there was a thread opened here. While "Gold Coast" is of course the official name, it's incorrect to say just "Gold Coast" if it functions as a noun. This is not colloquial: multiple WP:RS use the article "the", as does the government website and official tourist page. I've changed to reflect this. As you have pointed out, when referring to the LGA and/or official designation, "City of Gold Coast" without the article is correct, too. — CR4ZE (T • C) 03:20, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Status of City

Does the Queensland government or even City of Gold Coast recognize the Urban Area of the LGA as an official city? Are there any urban level planning done for the SUA? I am curious to why Urban areas in Australia are listed as "cities" as opposed to specifying them as "urban centers" or areas or regions. Thanks in advance for any responses.

There is no such thing as an official city. Some local government areas have "city" in their names but many of them contain substantial rural areas, while other local government areas which don't have City in their names have the exact same mix of urban and rural. We removed cities and towns from the official place names database some years back, replacing them by "population centre" defined by a centre point and not by a boundary. Only local government areas and suburbs/localities have boundaries. Because our cities and towns (in the informal sense) are growing and merging into continuous urban areas, urban planning happens at either the LGA level (possibly in cooperation with other LGAs), at the state level for major initiatives, or in the case of the most populous area in the South East, we have Council of Mayors. Kerry Raymond 13:15, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
SUAs are purely artefacts of the Australian Bureau of Statistics. They are not "real" boundaries for any other purpose. Sometimes SUAs may align with "real boundaries" but equally they often do not. Because of the Australian enthusiasm for "acreage blocks" on the outer periphery of surburban development, there is often considerable geographic overlap between those living on large blocks of lands as farmers (or other rural purposes) and those who are residents who like a lot of personal land but are working in the urban areas (outer suburban). The Gold Coast hinterland has this mixed character. So the ABS attempts to draw lines through all of this confusion. The baby boomer generation going into retirement creates a lot of this "tree change" move to large outer blocks as has the trend to working online driven by COVID.
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