Talk:German prisoner-of-war camps in World War I

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The result of the debate was move. —Nightstallion (?) 20:28, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

List of Nazi WWII POW camps → List of POW camps in Germany – the article covers non-Nazi camps and WWI camps — Oldfarm 03:59, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Support As is is now, the title is incorrect. Oldfarm 04:11, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It seems all other countries have one master list, and as it is now, this list is basically being entirely replicated in the Category World War II POW camps. Joshdboz 20:14, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

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  • Why was this page renamed? It was intended to be Part of Lists of Prisoner-of-War Camps section in the Prisoner-of-war camp article. It was intended to cover all PoW camps in all conflicts - not just the Nazi run camps. While some camps were not physically located in Germany, they were in German occupied territory. I also thought that the Luftwaffe and the German Army ran a large number of the camps during WWII, and understood the the Gestapo ran the Nazi camps.
  • I can (sort of) understand the thinking behind the concentration camp rename, but the PoW camp article is a little different. The article references the location of the camp, not the timeframe or political situation at the time. Oldfarm 04:11, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Internierungslager Lamsdorf

aus Wikipedia, der freien Enzyklopädie Das deutsche Kriegsgefangenenlager Stalag VIII B (344) Lamsdorf, das von 1939 bis 1945 im Dritten Reich betrieben wurde, war eines der größten deutschen Kriegsgefangenenlager. In diesem Stammlager wurden über 300.000 alliierte Soldaten unter unmenschlichen Bedingungen festgehalten. Zigtausende – z. B. allein 40.000 sowjetische Kriegsgefangene – starben infolge von Krankheiten, Hunger, Zwangsarbeit und Misshandlungen und wurden in Massengräbern begraben.

Unter polnischer Verwaltung wurde nach dem Zweiten Weltkrieg vom Landrat des Kreises Niemodlin auf der Grundlage der Verordnung Nr. 88 des Woiwoden-Generals Aleksander Zawadzki vom 18. Juni 1945 in der Nähe von Lamsdorf das Internierungslager Lamsdorf eingerichtet. Dort festgehalten wurde deutsche Zivilbevölkerung, die im Zuge der Vertreibung die Flucht nach Westen nicht mehr geschafft hatte. Das Lager wurde bis Herbst 1946 betrieben.

Wegen unmenschlicher Bedingungen, Medikamenten- und Nahrungsknappheit sowie durch die vom Lagerkommandanten Czesław Gęborski animierten Folterungen und Rachegewalttaten starben dort über 1.000 von insgesamt 9.000 internierten Deutschen. Gęborski stand in Polen aufgrund seiner Willkür und Gewalttaten mehrmals vor Gericht. Seit dem 27. Februar 2005 läuft vor dem Woiwodschaftsgericht in Breslau gegen ihn ein Verfahren wegen 48-fachen Mordes an den deutschen Lagerinsassen.


Literatur Helga Hirsch: Die Rache der Opfer. Deutsche in polnischen Lagern 1944-1950. Rowohlt, Berlin 1998. ISBN 3871343080 Edmund Nowak: Der Schatten von Łambinowice. Versuch einer Rekonstruktion der Geschichte des Arbeitslagers in Łambinowice in den Jahren 1945/46. Opole 1994. ISBN 8390024128 Heinz Esser:Die Hölle von Lamsdorf. Dokumentation über ein polnisches Vernichtungslager [Bearbeiten] Weblinks Stalag VIII B (344) Lamsdorf (engl.) weitere Webseite zum Stalag VIII B (344) Lamsdorf (engl.) Internierungslager Lamsdorf – ZDF (dt.) Von "http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internierungslager_Lamsdorf" Kategorie: Internierungslager

Can someone please provide a translation ??? Oldfarm 01:02, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

cut and past into http://world.altavista.com/ --Philip Baird Shearer 13:13, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Basic Standard Format?[edit]

After making a few edits to some of these pages, it seems to me that there needs to be some kind of standard format for each camp. From what I found, it seemed that each article should include at least:

  • A first sentence along the lines of: Camp Name was a German or Nazi POW camp during World War I or World War II, etc.
  • A clear date of opening, and later on, a date of closure or liberation.
  • The nationalities of the prisoners.
  • A See Also section with at least this list of German POW camps included.
  • Further catagories, World War II POW Camp, Nazi Germany, etc.

This is just a quick sketch, so please change, add, recommend. Joshdboz 20:27, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Stalag XX A (301)[edit]

Hello, I see Stalag XX on the list, but not 301 which was in Germany- I just completed the article on some of what went on there at Friesack Camp. I'm unsure if it just goes underneath Stalag XX or under "other camps". Fluffy999 18:36, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would say put it under "Other camps". I have always thought that Stalag XXA was in Poland. I have never heard of Friesack Camp being called XXA. Do you have a source for that info? Regards Oldfarm 04:27, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The sources are 2 books- the first is Enno Stephans "Spies in Ireland" (1963) and the second, which enlarges on Stephans research is "Irish Secrets" by Mark M Hull (2003). Another book uses the term Friesack camp and it is The Shamrock and the Swastika by C.Carter but it is not as thoroughly researched as the other two.
This "Friesack camp" was outside town? of Friesack in Germany, and housed between 80-100 POW at the time. Stephan is very specific on its location which I included in the article but does not list sources for that other than interviews with 2 of the visitors: Dr. Jupp Hoven, and Helmut Clissmann, both Abwehr II operatives. Stephan does use the Abwehr wardiaries a lot though, however the excerpts he has in the book dont mention the camp by that title or by the title Stalag XX A (301). Stephan also referrs to it as "Friesack Special camp" in the index. The camp was tailoring operations involving the POWs for "Section WN" according to the wardiaries- which I assume to be the regional Ast as Stephan isnt specific on that point.
I did check on the Thorn talk page first but no one responded. Anyway, from these 80+ POW the Abwehr have selected 10 and organised a fake escape for them where they end up in Berlin. That is all I know about it now. Fluffy999 05:11, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
OK I checked Hull and he doesnt give the location of Friesack Camp, only the Stalag reference. I will need to send him an email and try to confirm. He does mention that one of these volunteers, John Codd, went through 2 screening camps Stalag III B at Lannesdorf (from your list Fuerstenberg/Oder) & Luckenwalde (from your list Stalag III-A). Hall also has Stalag III D (961) at Genshagen as, "a holiday camp for British Free Corps." P.354 He does reference an Irish Times report of a returning POW 14 June 1945 that gives the Stalag XX A (301). Maybe Stephan got it wrong? Fluffy999 06:19, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Dr.Hull could only confirm by email that the camp was in the Friesack area located near to Wutzetz/Brandenburg. He said that the Altdamm part didn't pan out when he tried to get more specific information. Will add it in under Other Camps as Friesack, Wutzetz/Brandenburg. Fluffy999 10:38, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Stalag 383, Hohenfels, Bavaria, Germany[edit]

I find many references to this (in Wikipedia and elsewhere), but it doesn't appear in this article, and does not have one of it's own. The name also doesn't seem to be of the correct pattern for camps in Germany - based on this article. Ideas? - Snori (talk) 23:47, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Split[edit]

Since the list only covers WWI and WWII, it would make more sense to split the article by war. (t · c) buidhe 07:45, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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