Talk:Final Fantasy XIII-2/Archive 1

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Release Date

Should the release date not be changed as it's slightly misleading? The sources all say "next winter", not "winter 2012". Next winter can run from anywhere between December 2011 to February 2012. Writing it as Winter 2012 gives the impression it won't be released until December 2012. Until some clarification is given on the release date, I don't think one should speculate "Winter 2012" due to how misleading this is. Marv101 (talk) 19:10, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree with the post above me. Believe it or not, it's still winter (after all, January is considered part of winter). How can a game released in Japan this year be released in English after a year? Final Fantasy XIII took like three months to release the English version after the Japanese version. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.162.191.105 (talk) 19:42, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Indeed, "Winter 2012" is very misleading and it does not represent a valid quote from the source. It is merely an assumption. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.83.179.237 (talk) 15:51, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Spirits Within Reference?

One of the trailers showed enemy monsters similar to the monsters in Spirits Within, and Kaius' sword looks a heck of a lot like Soul Edge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.180.66.225 (talk) 07:08, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Knew it would get 40/40

I knew this game was going to be excellent :D Created a new Section with Famitsu's Reviews. -Abhishek Indoria

GA push?

I am thinking about getting this article up to GA or FA status. Here's what we need to do:

  • Lead section - needs to be expanded to three paragraphs.
  • Characters section - some of these new characters can be mentioned in the Characters of Final Fantasy XIII article.
  • Plot section - looks good, needs to be expanded a little bit more. Sourcing quotes can be very much appreciated when the English version is released.
  • Development section - can be expanded with more interviews detailing the history of the game.
  • Audio section - a soundtrack article needs to be created and the section needs to be added as well.
  • Release - we should add a release section in different countries
  • Reception section - needs to be expanded on when the new reviews come in.
  • Merchandise section - needs to be created when Square Enix announces new merchandise.

I think we can get this article to GA status if we can do this. Any commends or objections? Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:47, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

In case you come back to this- I'm game, after its released in the US and I get to play it. I'll post on the WT:SE page when I'm ready to start on it- won't be until mid-February, so don't wait up if you want to get started earlier. --PresN 05:27, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
Let's begin! Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:36, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Necessary to add logo within caption decribing cover?

Seems really unnecessary and no other cover of final fantasy article or any video game article does this.Lucia Black (talk) 23:07, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Downloadable content

This link has mentions of the game's upcoming downloadable content. Any idea where to place it? Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 23:48, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Development section is my estimate.Lucia Black (talk) 06:02, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Clarification of dates needed.

"As of March 2012, Final Fantasy XIII-2 has become the fifth best-selling game of 2011 in Japan." This could use some clarification. I have no idea how to interpret it.Weirdtheory (talk) 23:30, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

It was determined to be the best game in 2011. the year had to end in order to know. But the sentence structure seems to suggest that it could potentially change in the future. So maybe removing the date "as of March 2012".Lucia Black (talk) 19:18, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Sequel references

I have been doing a little pokinh around and I have heard that there will not be a direct sequel to this game in the near future. The 'To be continued' that featured after the 'apocalypse' main ending certainly left a strong suggestion for a 'Final Fantasy XIII-3'. I heard from several sites that there will be multiple downloadable content which will expand upon the game's story and ending, including episodes for Lightning and., perhaps, Snow and Serah. So I think something about this should be added to the article, if only to put previously fevered minds like mine at rest. I saw that ending and felt more than a little sad since it seemed to bring that world to an end, with the villain winning even though he died in the act. --ProtoDrake (talk) 14:16, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Yakusoku No Basho

This is translated as "The place of promise" on the page, and while yakusoku does translate to promise, it means promise as in "a promise" rather than promise as in "promising" which the article implies as the definition in this context. A better translation would be "The promised place" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.72.41.155 (talk) 01:03, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

GA push

While this article is undergoing peer review, here's a list of what we need to do to get this up to GA status:

  • Lead section - looks good.
  • Gameplay section - needs quotes from the instruction manual as well as the appropriate game guides.
  • Plot section - needs quotes from the game.
  • Development section - looks good.
  • Music section - needs to be expanded upon.
  • Reception section - looks good as well.
  • Possible sequel - also looks good.

Any thoughts or other suggestions would be very much appreciated. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 18:24, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Ultimania translations?

I am considering using the Ultimania translations as sources for the game, especially concerning the development and audio section as well. Thoughts? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 18:14, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

I fully support it, there's always great stuff in those Ultimania sources. Are there translations readily available? Sergecross73 msg me 23:10, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Mark Arsten (talk · contribs) 19:21, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

  • Ok, looks interesting. I'll pick up the review. More comments to follow within the next few days. Generally it looks fine, I have a few small concerns about some confusing parts though. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:21, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Lead

  • "it is a direct sequel to the 2010 role playing game, Final Fantasy XIII, the thirteenth major installment in the Final Fantasy series. The game includes modified features from the previous game" It's somewhat ambiguous which game is being referred to as "The game".
  • "Final Fantasy XIII-2 received highly positive reviews from Japanese critics, and generally positive reviews from Western video game journalists, who praised the gameplay, lack of linearity and graphics, but criticized the story as weak and confusing." I'd suggest breaking this into two sentences.

Gameplay

  • I'd suggest trying to avoid the singular "they" in this section.
  • "The game world is divided up into multiple regions and times, and includes both different regions at the same time and the same region at different times." Is there a more clear way to put this?
  • "by foot or by chocobo." might want to briefly note what a chocobo is.

Combat system

  • "which continually refills to a set maximum number of slots" Does something determine how quickly it refills or does it just refill at the same rate, i.e. in real time.
  • "The game has both normal and easy modes." Seems like a kinda random place to note this.
  • "and if too much time passes before combat begins the player is restricted from restarting the battle during combat" So you can generally restart each battle?
  • "Each enemy has a meter, called a Chain Gauge, consisting of a percentage starting at 100 which increases when the enemy is struck by attacks or spells." Just so we're clear, it starts at 100% and then goes higher when they're attacked?
  • "Attacks by different roles have different effects" When reading through I was confused as to what "roles" are at this point.
  • "some raise the chain by a larger amount while others give the player longer before the Chain Gauge resets" By resets, you mean drops back to 100%, right?
  • So the challenge with the Chain Gauge is to bring it up the the percent that causes "Staggered" before it resets? I think I understand now, but I found this paragraph somewhat confusing.
  • "Unlike in Final Fantasy XIII, the player cannot summon Eidolons to fight." What is an "Eidolon"?
    • Clarified that an Eidolon is a summoned monster, and also the reason why they are not available in this title. ProfessorTofty (talk) 00:23, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Plot

  • "a team of six people stopped the two worlds from being destroyed by the fal'Cie of Cocoon" What is the "fal'Cie"?
  • "Due to the fall of Cocoon and the collapse of its government" ... "Over the course of the game, a scientific body called the Academy eventually becomes a technocratic government." This happened in the last game, right? I'm a little unclear about that.
  • "The two main playable characters are Serah Farron, Lightning's sister" A bit confusing, we don't know who Lightning is at this point.
  • "a young man originally from 700 years in the future" relative to what? 3 AF?
  • "and willingly became a l'Cie to accomplish his goal" What's that?
  • "an Academy member and survivor of the Purge." What's the Purge?
  • I'm not sure if there's an easy way to explain, but what do they do to "resolve the paradox"?
  • "Noel claims that this takes place around 400 AF, and devastates the human population as well as the world, resulting in the extinction of the species by his own time." So Noel isn't human? What is he?
  • "Resolving the paradox, Noel and Serah travel to an alternate Academia." What time is this?
  • "and risks death every time she changes the future.[15][10]" Refs should be in ascending numerical order.
  • "In the full ending, Lightning is seen in crystal stasis on the throne of Etro's temple." Is there more than one ending?
    • There are multiple endings, and what was written there was not correct. The Lightning in stasis sequence is always shown in the main ending. The secret ending involves the antagonist Caius Ballad and Yeul. I have corrected / added to the information. The remainder of the "endings" are separate from the main ending and are called "Paradox Endings." They trigger bonus scenes that show optional pathways in time, but due to the effect of the Historia Crux, after viewing such an ending, the player is returned to the Historia Crux to continue gameplay, as if the ending never happened. ProfessorTofty (talk) 00:15, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. Mark Arsten (talk) 13:50, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Development

  • "According to Toriyama, with Vanille and Fang gone and Cocoon fallen, there was no way for the new story to be totally peaceful, while Kitase remarked that the story was intended to have the serious feel of a true numbered entry in the Final Fantasy series." & "The story for XIII-2 was structured differently than for XIII, as a series of smaller "pieces of drama" rather than one overarching story piece, and relying less on unfamiliar concepts and terms such as "l'Cie" and "fal'Cie"". Kind of long, might want to break these up.

Music

  • There some repetition of "compose" in this section.

Reception

  • "Parker praised the game's "smart, engaging mechanics" and the "novel structure" of the gameplay, and Joe Juba of Game Informer said that the changes to Final Fantasy XIII's battle system made it his favorite Final Fantasy battle system yet, and that the gameplay was "phenomenal"." & "VanOrd agreed that the combat was fun, though he found it to be too easy; the Edge review, which was harsher on the game than most others, also found it to be too easy, which combined with what they saw as poor subquests and lazy environment design made the gameplay uninteresting." & "VanOrd was less negative towards the characters and story than most others, but still described the characters as good but not great, focusing on the less interesting characters of Noel and Sarah over Lightning and Caius, and said that the story was "semi-coherent" and missed several emotional notes, particularly in the first half of the game." Kind of long, might want to break these up.
  • Make sure you have a citation after every sentence with a direct quote.
  • Is there any more you can say about the difference between Japanese and North American reviews? i.e. Why its reception in Japan was much better.
  • Got nothing for you on this one; just a matter of taste, I suppose, but I don't have a source. Anecdotally, though, Japanese reviewers seem willing to happily put up with the most absurd storytelling without docking points in a review where non-Japanese reviewers aren't, but I don't have an RS for that. --PresN 00:35, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Hmm, interesting. Japan can be an interesting place. Mark Arsten (talk) 13:50, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Sequel

  • " In late August 2012, a new teaser site was unveiled in preparation for the Final Fantasy 25th Anniversary Event, titled "A Storm Gathers", teasing" Some repetition here (teaser ... teasing)
  • Alright! Thanks so much for reviewing, it's quite a long article to slog through. I think between me and ProtoDrake we've gotten everything above this comment taken care of. --PresN 22:36, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, sounds good. I'll take another read through it soon. Mark Arsten (talk) 13:50, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Second pass

  • Ok, just took a second pass over the article. It looks like most issues have been taken care of, but here are a few more small comments:
  • "Monsters do not freely roam the map like in Final Fantasy XI to XIII, but instead they randomly appear as in previous Final Fantasy games." Might want to give the range of Final Fantasy games instead of saying "previous Final Fantasy games".
  • There some repetition of "battle" in the "Combat system" section, it would be nice if that could be cut down on.
  • "there are around 150 different monsters available to be collected" Different types of monsters? Or only 150 total monsters?
  • "but can also perform a feral link attack" Should this be hyphenated?
  • " fifth best-selling 2011 game in Japan" Should double check that the hyphen is in the right part here.
  • "Square Enix registered the domain name FinalFantasy13-2game.com..." Did they ever use the site or did they just register it?
  • It forwards to the official site(s), but they didn't use it specifically- they were just domain-name squatting so that no one else would take it. --PresN 19:25, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
  • "Initially, the design for the game called for Serah to travel alone with Mog" Who is Mog?
  • "The moogle was designed by Toshitaka Matsuda." Might want to explain what a moogle is.
  • There's some repetition of "making it the" in "Reception"
  • I wonder if the music's reception would be best mentioned in the Music section? Mark Arsten (talk) 19:09, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Traditionally its not, even in GAs and FAs- trying to keep the game's reception all together, rather than music's in the music section, gameplay in the gameplay section, etc. --PresN 19:25, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Images are all fine.
  • No dabs, no dead links. Actually, the andriasang.com links aren't working for me right now. Not sure if their site's down or what. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:59, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Andriasang closed shop a few months ago- the website is supposed to stick around, just not have new news posted, but it's been going up and down ever since. That reminds me- I need to archive all the links. --PresN 19:25, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
  • I'm not totally familiar with which sites are reliable sources and which aren't. The ones I wonder about here are andriasang.com, RPG Site, The Penny Arcade Report., and RPGFan. Have these been discussed before?
  • I've used RPGFan and Andriasang in FAs before (Final Fantasy XIII), PAR is listed at the video games reliable sources page based on the individual reliability of its editor/writers, and RPG Site doesn't seem to have a discussion anywhere, so I've replaced it with VG247, which I used in that same FA, though I had to lose the sales number for it. --PresN 19:25, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Also, I think you should add English translations of the titles of the Japanese articles, if you can. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:06, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
  • You mention in the infobox and a template at the bottom that it's part of the Fabula Nova Crystallis Final Fantasy series, but that's not mentioned in the text at all. Might want to add that in. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:23, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
  • All of the second wave should be done between Protodrake and myself; I've commented inline where warranted. --PresN 19:25, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Alright, the second wave of fixes look good. I'm happy to pass this now. Thanks to everyone who helped on the review! Mark Arsten (talk) 19:01, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Spotchecks: checked 46, 50b, 51c, 58, 60, and 61--no issues found. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:01, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Create music article?

I was thinking if we should create a music article, similar to those found in Music of Final Fantasy XIII. I am trying to find more references for the music section, but I think an article on the music can be created, especially with concerns about the theme song and the music's creation as well. Any thoughts? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 18:12, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Hold off on it for now; lets get this article up to GA, then as we build out the music section if we find enough sources I'll make a music article. --PresN 18:37, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Very good. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 18:48, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Well, now it seems this article should include at least a section on the Music of Final Fantasy XIII-2. Chris857 (talk) 22:20, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

FA?

All right. Now that this article is up to GA status, as one of tge top four main contributors (aside from PresN and ProtoDrake), the next thing we may need to do is to get this up to FA status. Thoughts? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:22, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Sounds alright (I myself have a private ambition to help get Lightning Returns up to GA status when the time comes), but we only just got this up to good article status. How about we give ourselves a little time to relax and collate the needed data before moving forward, to use some rather computerish phraseology. --ProtoDrake (talk) 19:27, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Affirmative. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:44, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Since the FF13 FAC asked for the FF13 ultimania interviews, I think we'll want to try to get at least some of the FF13-2 ultimanias. Fortunately, Mark Arsten (per his usual) gave the article a thorough copyedit as part of the GAN, so no worries there. --PresN 21:18, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Open world?

Could this game be classified as open world?ECW28 (talk) 09:06, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

No. --PresN 17:51, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

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