Talk:Eugénie Fougère

Eugénie Fougère was nominated as a Language and literature good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (October 7, 2012). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.

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GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Eugénie Fougère/GATalk:Eugénie Fougère/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: DonCalo (talk · contribs) 14:03, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to me that nominating this article as a good article (GA) is somewhat premature. I made significant changes and added some basic facts, but there still remains a lot to be done. For instance, while the article mentions a "small history with The Boston Theatre," there is next to nothing about the big history in much more famous theatres. References are not always clear. The references mention the access date, they do not mention the date of publication, which are more important. They also do not mention the pages of the books cited, nor necessary additional information about the books. I hope the nominator will take up my suggestions and keeps improving the article. Good luck and happy editing. - DonCalo (talk) 14:03, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit War[edit]

Thanks for what you may consider to be help, but for one, the picture of the murder is entirely held under copyright. You cannot use it. I tried, but every resource I found it under was owned by another source. I'm going to remove it, along with a number of misplaced things you seem to think help the article. ---Saw1998 (talk) 16:38, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The copyright has expired, the image is free. - DonCalo (talk) 17:33, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And on another note, I have no problem with you saying where she was born, in fact it's great, but you NEED to cite it. Where on Earth did you find such a fact? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saw1998 (talk • contribs) 16:49, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The birth date is from a referenced article on the French Wikipedia. - DonCalo (talk) 17:33, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I now found sources that mention her exact birth date. - DonCalo (talk) 20:29, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, the more I check your facts, the more errors I find. I find it remarkable that you dared to nominate the article as GA for such a sloppy piece of work. - DonCalo (talk) 18:17, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So reference there as well. I don't care if you add more facts, fine, but stop adding stop adding the picture. It's owned.

Look, I don't want to fight with you. I've been here not very long and I've already gotten into too many fights with people over nothing. I want to work with you, and I'm glad you can offer more sources through the French language, but we can't argue about these little things. Can you please just stop adding the picture? It's owned by that magazine, I've tried to put it up here before but multiple sources state that it is owned and must be purchased-- therefore it cannot be used here. There are plenty of other pictures of her we can use, but just not that one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saw1998 (talk • contribs) 19:06, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

On the image of the murder, see here: (Getty was not working, first result. Sorry.) Getty Images information on the image you claim has been expired, ... released. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saw1998 (talk • contribs) 19:38, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You mixed up two different persons and that might still be the case. Additional research is needed. My edits are all properly referenced. Regarding the cover, it is from a French magazine published in 1903 and works published outside the U.S. before 1923 are copyright free. - DonCalo (talk) 20:27, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Post Edit War[edit]

Erg. Why is it that you must persistently devour this article? ---Saw1998 (talk) 22:14, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reading Bossy's Les Grandes Affaires Criminelles de Savoie, it becomes clear that there are actually two Eugénie Fougières. They even knew each other and lived in the same street in Paris for a while. One is a comedienne who actually used the name as a pseudonym, and the one that was killed in 1903, was a kind of a courtesan that never ever even lifted a leg in a theatre. In conclusion, we are still stuck with an article that mixes up two different people. We have to figure out what belongs to who. - DonCalo (talk) 22:21, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If one was in government, as I'm led to assume that's what a courtesan is, and the other never "lifted a leg in theatre," then who are we looking at right now?

From all the papers after the murder, or at least the American ones, the woman who was murdered was a music hall singer/dancer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saw1998 (talk • contribs) 22:47, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, there the problem already started, I guess. Bossy writes that the confusion of who is who already began at the time of the murder. I made a version about the vaudeville artist, leaving out the courtesan. Would be good to find out the real name of the vaudeville one, if it is true that it is really a pseudonym, although we have a source for it. - DonCalo (talk) 22:59, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Every book and every resource I found about this one called here either Eugenie Fougere or just Fougere, some books completely left out the first name, maybe check some of the cited books & papers and see if perhaps they're talking about a completely different girl. ---Saw1998 (talk) 23:13, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm researching The Boston Theatre for another article, hell if I know why, but I found a page on Harvard U's library site and I put an inquiry in for it. They apparently have 42 volumes of receipts from the theatre. I'm going to hopefully get them to send me a picture of the page from Dec. 9th, perhaps I can get something from that? ---Saw1998 (talk) 23:16, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The other has now also her article Murder of Eugénie Fougère. - DonCalo (talk) 23:46, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]