Talk:Electoral Commission (Ireland)

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Speculation hatnote[edit]

@Spleodrach: — I don't believe the {{Speculation}} hatnote is appropriate or useful for this article. The hatnote text of that is:

This article possibly contains unsourced predictions, speculative material, or accounts of events that might not occur. Information must be verifiable and based on reliable published sources. Please help improve it by removing unsourced speculative content.

The operative word is "unsourced"; since all claims are sourced it does not apply.

Your edit summaries for adding the hatnote were "entirely speculative article - may never happen" and "govt plans often never happen - still speculation". I am sure it is not your belief that {{Speculation}} should be added to all articles about something that "may never happen"; so please say what additional criteria apply to this article that do not apply to so many other articles in Category:Proposed laws of Ireland, or indeed of Category:Proposed laws, Category:Proposals, or Category:Future; or of pages titled "Proposed..." or "Next...". What changes to the article would you suggest might allow the hatnote to be removed? Do you envisage that the hatnote will remain on the article until the commission is either established or definitively abandoned? That is not what such a hatnote is for; it is a plea for editors to help improve the article, not a warning to readers that "this may not happen". It is the content of the article that should do that. jnestorius^(talk) 15:48, 20 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"...events that might not occur". Which is exactly what this is about. You created this article in 2015 and 4 years later, this commission is no nearer becoming a reality now. Do you have a WP:CRYSTALBALL? No-one knows if it will become a reality this year or next? The previous govt proposed it, and it didn't happen. Will it happen under this govt or be abandoned by the next one? Do you know this? I don't, so its speculation! Spleodrach (talk) 19:21, 20 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You are misreading the hatnote. You think it means:

This article possibly contains

unsourced predictions
speculative material, or
accounts of events that might not occur

It actually means:

This article possibly contains unsourced

predictions
speculative material, or
accounts of events that might not occur

Many Wikipedia article accounts of "events that might not occur"; the only ones with {{Speculation}} are unsourced accounts. United Nations Parliamentary Assembly is a featured article about a proposal that may never happen; are you going to add {{Speculation}} to that? jnestorius^(talk) 20:28, 20 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Spleodrach: any further comments or shall I go ahead and delete the hatnote? jnestorius^(talk) 16:19, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What evs! I confidently predict this proposal will never happen. Spleodrach (talk) 11:59, 22 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Plausible, but I'm much more confident the United Nations Parliamentary Assembly will never happen. If noteworthy commentators have expressed scepticism of the Irish electoral commission, by all means add that to the body of the article. jnestorius^(talk) 20:27, 23 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Jnestorius: Looks like it's going ahead. I better eat my words then! Spleodrach (talk) 08:45, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Name[edit]

The article should be at Electoral Commission (Ireland) per common name. It was speculative to move it to the Irish name. If it becomes known as that like An Bord Pleanala then move it back, Also, it should not have been moved without discusssion. Spleodrach (talk) 11:47, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]