Talk:Eduard Hanslick

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Religious Background[edit]

According to the entry on Hanslick in the Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians, his mother was Jewish. She converted to Catholicism upon marrying his father. I have thus corrected the prior statement of his religious background. 2006-12-10.

Thanks for the catch. You're correct; her father's name was Salomon Abraham Kisch and was definitely Jewish, and it's written up in the current online Grove. Antandrus (talk) 16:47, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

First Sentence[edit]

The first sentence says:

Hanslick was born in Prague, the son of Joseph Adolph Hanslick, a bibliographer and music teacher from a German-speaking family, and one of his piano pupils, the daughter of a merchant from Vienna.

I cannot make heads or tails of the part where the piano pupils is mentioned. What is that supposed to mean? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.203.17.119 (talk) 05:51, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hanslick and Wagner[edit]

"By ending his list of theorists with Wagner, he makes his primary critical target obvious." Quotes by Wagner are added in the 6th (!) edition of VMS. Most scholars agree today, that Wagner´s music isn´t the initial target. This section should be revised, I guess... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.87.184 (talk) 18:42, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Brahms's and Wagner's mutual admiration.[edit]

Is there solid evidence they actually admired each other? According to "Brahms in the Priesthood of Art Gender and Art Religion in the Nineteenth-century German Musical Imagination" , By Laurie McManus · 2021 , Page 134, "The argument that Brahms respected Wagner is based on selected anecdotes, as well as the mythologizing tendency to exempt Brahms from the now seemingly petty musical disputes of his day. Brahms biographer Max Kalbeck noted that “After Brahms's death, conciliatory obituary writers wanted to rebrand [umstempeln] him as a glowing admirer of Wagner and his music.”" Wikiwickedness (talk) 21:29, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's been years since I last read these, but I seem to recall that the bios by Geiringer and Swafford both mention this detail. It may very well be apocryphal, though. Please give me a few hours to pull up the Brahms material I have at home. Might be able to cite something here. However, wouldn't this topic be more germane to the Johannes Brahms article? —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 21:40, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure traditional historiography places them as enemies (which is not exactly true either), so I'm sure scholars who are mythologizing them as admirers are in the minority or from an older generation. But yes, the topic is definitely more relevant to the Brahms article Aza24 (talk) 22:12, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]